Too Old for the Dark Side? Short Cycle?
- 03-25-2010, 11:39 PM
Too Old for the Dark Side? Short Cycle?
Been in the game a long time but never cycled (PH or AAS). At the point now where I am thinking about trying it for once and seeing what it's all about. Read a ton when I first joined the board but nothing for quite some time so I just did a bit of a refresher. Nonetheless, still need help from the vets.
Thinking about something pretty conservative (lean mass, little bloat, no blown joints, etc) like 8 weeks of test prop@75mg every 36 hrs. Would this be a good start? Could I get away with less? Or should I forget it and stick to whey and creatine? lol
Real question is about ancilliaries:
- A-dex on cycle?
- Obviously supp Nolva on hand for gyno defense
- Full 4 weeks PCT? Nolva@40/40/20/20? Clomid as well?
- Hcg on cycle and/or PCT?
If any of this (or other suggestions) is a 'nice to have but not necessary' on a cycle like this then I would rather have it since I rarely do anything less than 100%.
- 03-26-2010, 02:36 AM
I think that sounds like a nice conservative first cycle, I am inexperienced, but have been doing a ton of research and as far as I can tell you probably could do without any hcg on such a cycle (both length and dosage are not huge). running a low dose AI plus nolva on hand + for pct definately good ideas. Depending on if you are gyno prone or not you probably could survive without an AI at that dose and keep nolva on hand just in case. If gyno was a problem the test would be out of you system quickly atleast, but it really shouldn't be unless you are one of the rare exceptionally gyno prone people. If you don't mind the extra $$ running an AI would be the most conservative way to go.
- 03-26-2010, 04:38 AM
adex just in case
u dont need hcg
nolva will be more than enough yes run it those dosages
id also try and run the prop for at leasttttt 10 weeks
03-26-2010, 05:24 PM
Too old?? We're the perfect age IMO.
8 weeks is perfect for a prop cycle. some of the longer esther tests are good for longer cycles since they take longer to kick in. But prop kicks in so quick (I felt it after the second shot), after 8 weeks I felt burned out on it and I didn't feel the benenfits as much. I think 8 weeks is perfect.
I used aromasin 12.5mg EOD with great results on cycle. And I did run HCG 250iu E4D starting week 3 or 4, I used it the day before every other prop shot. I'll also kick start PCT with it. I ran 150mg EOD though. 75mg EOD is a pretty mild cycle and more than likely you would not need HCG. You'll have to make that call though, there's plenty of info on it. The mild HCG dosages wouldn't have any desensitizing effects, so I don't think it would hurt. Plus I'd rather have it instead of having your nuts dissapear half way through then scrambling to get some.
You would need a clomid/nolva based pct after that cycle too. You're the same age as me and I just finished my first cycle and loved it. The only thing I'd change about my cycle is I would have stopped at 8 weeks rather than stretching it out to 10.
03-26-2010, 05:53 PM
03-26-2010, 06:22 PM
i think prop is a terrible idea for a first AAS run. having to pin every other day can be a big task for someone who has never pinned before. if you worried about bloat that much you could run sust. i would run just a basic test e or sust cycle for 10 to 12 weeks perfering the later. 8 would be a waste. 500mg each week. injecting 250mg 2Xs EW on sun/wed or mon/thurs. then get some AIs like adex and aromasin. always have some nolva on hand as well. good luck dude.
as far as HCG there will always be debate but IMO your either shut down or your not. test will shut you down. id run HCG at 500mg EW as well. it will keep the boys full and happy. also a more smoooth transition into PCT. i would use the hcg right up untill the day before PCT.
03-26-2010, 06:26 PM
03-26-2010, 06:31 PM
03-26-2010, 06:36 PM
03-26-2010, 06:47 PM
03-27-2010, 08:35 AM
03-27-2010, 09:08 AM
I can barely squat when I pin E, dont even want to know what I would be like after pinning P..
03-27-2010, 11:32 AM
03-27-2010, 11:41 AM
As far as the pinning, I'd just do EOD. Just seems easier to do it the same time EOD, plus I like taking my aromasin the evening after I pin.
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