hcg help bros
- 02-13-2010, 06:08 PM
hcg help bros
i dont really know much about hcg and needed a little help.
so im runnin my test ace 12 weeks, and tren ace weeks 4-12
for hcg when should i start injecting it?
how much do i inject?
on an insulin syringe where should the marker be at for how much i inject?
do i run this with during cycle and pct or just during cycle?
i think thats all the questions i have.
- 02-13-2010, 08:28 PM
Not sure why you are doing HCG with test and tren? HCg works best with a low calorie diet which would defeat the purpose of the test and tren, so that should answer the question on when to run it. Also, seems like you have not done a lot of research since you are asking questions you should prior to purchasing.
With that said here is some info, but you really need to do more research:a 29 gauge pin by 1/2 into fatty deposit areas like the mid section and quanities can vary.
why the tren 4-12?, thats a long time to run a ph or ps, it will have some effect on your liver going that long. I would suggest you run it for about 3 weeks at the begining to jump start while you wait for the test to kick in.
Anyway, good luck to you
- 02-13-2010, 09:07 PM
hes taking test ace and tren ace....not some garbage designer steroid. and hes not talking about the fad HCG diet...
Rob, i would start the HCG when u start the tren. 250iu 2x week works well....run it right up until PCT (not during PCT).
02-13-2010, 09:40 PM
As far as the hcg diet, I am not talking about a diet, just pointing out that the info out there that hcg is run with a low calorie diet, and it might yield greater benifits run during a cut.
No worries bro, this is a forum to share info and pass along your opinion and to help educate everyone.
02-14-2010, 08:19 PM
02-14-2010, 08:21 PM
02-17-2010, 01:55 AM
remember u need to take into account the short half life of HCG once you have mixed it with the BA water. Once reconstituted it has a general half life of 23-43 days depending on which studies you read. Remember to keep it in a cool area, refridgerator. i use 30 gauge half in and inject at a 45 degree angle, ( i also aspirate as well). I used a 250IU's twice a week (mon and thursday) and had very good results. Remember to stop the HCG 3.5 days prior to PCT. And PAY very close attention when reconsitituting it, HCG is very fragile, remember to swirl till its clear DO NOT SHAKE the vial or it will be worthless. Goodluck and i think HCG is a great addition to any long cycle made my recovery way faster than i had expected.
02-17-2010, 09:49 AM
You could reconstitute with 5ml of bac water, which would cut that in half (1000iu/ml, 250iu = '25' mark on pin).
02-23-2010, 03:15 PM
it makes perfect sense running hcg during a cycle...I am doing so now on dbol, test cyp run. prevents shutdown and makes for an easier recovery. IMO better during than after so not to desensitize testes.
02-24-2010, 02:31 AM
02-26-2010, 10:01 PM
02-26-2010, 10:39 PM
1) run it at a low dose throughout the cycle like 250IU's 2x a week
2) 1000Iu's EOD duing the phase you are waiting for the half life to come about.
I have used number 1 and found it very helpful. i dont think number 2 is as forgiving as number 1.
02-27-2010, 12:41 AM
02-28-2010, 02:39 AM
I have also never put a shot gun to my face and pulled the trigger, does this also mean i cannot say that is a bad idea?
What i was saying is personal opinion based on what i have read, if i was indeed saying one was the RIGHT way and one was the wrong way iwould have followed it up with a literary medical journal.
02-28-2010, 02:42 AM
Why stop HCG at week 8? the half life of HCG in the body is 3days. Why allow shut down to start occuring from week 8 wha would be the benefit of that.
I suggest u stop 3 days ahead of PCT (YES i have personally done this and it worked GREAT). If u want to take a week off or run it like how he said its all up to you however u need to do the research to make sure u know exactly where u stand and what you are getting into.
02-28-2010, 04:58 AM
hCG: 1500iu E4D, 3 doses total, from day 1
Week 1: Nolva 40mg/day; Clomid 100mg/day
Week 2: Nolva 30mg/day; Clomid 50mg/day
Week 3: Nolva 20mg/day; Clomid 50mg/day
Week 4-6: Nolva 10mg/day
this seems to be different from what most people are suggesting. why can't it be used alongside nolva as stated above?
02-28-2010, 09:59 AM
02-28-2010, 02:53 PM
02-28-2010, 03:15 PM
I am about to start running Hcg at 250 iu e4d.. How long is the shelf life of the Hcg once it is reconstituted
02-28-2010, 03:17 PM
02-28-2010, 07:38 PM
on the subject of "your" way, wouldn't running hcg as high as 1000ius while the test clears create too much aromatase activity without an ai or nolva?
03-01-2010, 05:05 PM
When i said for the halflife to come about i meant while the test esster is clearing the body.
Power pct is ok however u do not necessarily need to run both nolva and clomid for a pct for this unless u are very prone or are expecting to get gyno while on cycle. I prefer clomid to nolva thats just personal preferance tho. Clomid i would run 150mg first 3 days then 100 mg the next 4 days, 75/50/50 and if i where to run nolva along side it 40/20/20/10. and if u wanted to run an extra 2 weeks thats up to u.
The reason people are suggesting u dont run hcg into pct is because HCG tells your body to keep producing testosterone chemically. It is not allowing ur HPTA to dictate that ur body needs to produce it. Thus the HCG is almost like supressing ur natural ability to send the messages to you tests that it needs to produce testosterone, if u are using HCG in PCT u will never really have the full HPTA restored because you are checmically making the testes turn on and not alloing the anterior pituitary to do its own job. The reason for nolva and clomid is to jump start the system and to allow the midbrain some time and assistance to start sending the messages back to the testes via homeostasis rather than via a message from HCG or a test injection.
So all in all during PCT u dont want HCG cause it will keep you suppressed to a degree, however while on cycle this is beneficial because the testicular atrophe is diminished or completely avoided and the testes are always still working making recovery a lot easier to happen because its not like ur trying to completely restart ur HPTA (testosterone system), cause in fact it was not entirely turned off.
03-01-2010, 05:10 PM
Higher concentrations mean you have to be more exact because for the same amount u are off when filling the syringe there will be more/less HCG than if it where less concentrated. Regaurding halflife there is not any difference that i am aware of.
The important part about reconstituting is that u know what doseage you want, how much bac water u need to achieve that doseage comfortably and that it lasts as long as u want it to last.
03-01-2010, 05:14 PM
I would always suggest when running compounds for a long time to have a good AI on hand, i honeslty prefer Anastrozole to anything else. The aromatase activity of HCG is not nearly as strong as the test Aromatase activity and should not really cause a lot of bloating or estrogen related sides, however i have never run HCG at that doseage and can only tell you from the way i have been telling u to run HCG how i felt.
I can tell u that when running HCG the way i did i never noticed any visible or feelings of increased bloating or estrogen related sides, I will also tell u i took ,5mg of adex EOD while on my cycle though.
03-01-2010, 05:18 PM
03-01-2010, 05:41 PM
run hcg 250 iu every 3 days and quit using it 4 days PRIOR to starting your PCT.
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03-01-2010, 10:53 PM
week 1-6: tbol, 50mg/day
week 1-15: test e, 500mg/week
hCG: 1500iu e4d, 3 doses total, starting week 16
arimidex: .5mg mon/thurs, week 12-17
nolvadex: week 17-20 (40/20/20/10)
it looks kind of confusing, and might be just downright wrong, but from what i've gathered this should work. the hcg doses are taken from the power pct protocol, the only change i made is using adex instead of nolva/clomid with the hcg (i'm assuming the purpose of this is to prevent aromatization from such high doses of hcg?). what i'm thinking of doing is running adex for the last 4 weeks of my cycle + the 2 weeks the ester clears, and then doing the hcg the 2 weeks while the ester clears--which is right up until pct. i would just run nolva but i don't have enough and i have a lot of adex. i've heard adex takes 5 weeks to start working so thats why i'm starting it well before hcg. the purpose of this is to prevent gyno while using the larger doses of hcg. depending on how much i bloat, i may start adex earlier in the cycle. how stupid/good does the above look? is running the adex with hcg pointless?
03-01-2010, 11:07 PM
The HCG i highly suggest u get more, its probably the cheapest thing u have listed up there and is really not hard to get.
The adex is very low for a cycle like this most people run .5mg EOD depending on how much bloat/estro related sides. and most people run the adex from the point at which they need it cause of bloat till the ester clearing period or 3 days prior to PCT.
Im assuming u have read nolva vs clomid. I personally prefer clomid on such long cycles but to each his own.
Adex is generally used to prevent the armoatization of the test while on cycle. It has very little/nothing to do with the HCG. The bloat and estro related sides are from the aromitization of testosterone not HCG.
You need to do a bit more research ur on the right path though.
03-01-2010, 11:46 PM
as for the hcg, i'm taking this dosing directly from the poWer pct protocol, which requires 4500ius. i might run it throughout the cycle instead but its rather expensive for me to get that much for some reason. the poWer pct protocol seems to be a highly-regarded means of using hcg so i figure why spend the extra cash?
03-01-2010, 11:51 PM
You are injecting 500mg of testosterone a week. The aromatase activity from injecting such a higher amount than the body can will result in more aromatase activity. HCG will help you stay somewhat less suppressed however it will never produce more testosterone than testoterone injections.
What i am saying is that an AI will help with excess aromatase activity, however the cause is not going to be from the HCG.
If thats what u read about adex and u believe it go ahead and run it, it may be enough for you it may not be.
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