Experienced Dianabol users . .
- 12-27-2009, 07:37 PM
Experienced Dianabol users . .
Protocols by most Ive seen around here is a standard 4 week kickstart, dosage 30-50mg ED.
Can anyone comment on longer, lower dosages such as 6 weeks @ 20mg ED? William Llewellyn outlines a 7 wk 20mg ED dosage as part of a beginner's mass builder - anyone ran this protocol sans serious sides?
What about on a 12 week cycle dosing wks 1-4 and 9-12?
The assumptions are a test base, liver harm minimisation, gyno prevention etc. . .research purposes only
- 12-27-2009, 07:46 PM
subd out of curiousity
I could see running it 6 or 7 weeks but i'm not sure how i feel about the first 4/last 4 schedule. My current cycle I pulsed it for the first 5 weeks at 40mg 4x/wk.Back.... for real this time
- 12-27-2009, 07:59 PM
I have seen guys run an oral at the start and finish, usually wet in the front, dry at the end. If there is a reason why using the same compound both ends wouldnt work Id like to hear it.
12-27-2009, 08:02 PM
I like the pulse idea. My hamster has 25mg caps. He was also considering 25mg ED, an additional 25mg preWO (4/wk)
12-27-2009, 08:10 PM
12-27-2009, 08:58 PM
I had amazing results with the following cycle. I will see if I can't find my old logbook and figure out how I dosed the Epistane.
I ran it like this:
Week 1: 20mg ED/ 500mg Test Cyp
Week 2: 20mg ED/ 500mg Test Cyp
Week 3: 30mg ED/ 500mg Test Cyp
Week 4: 30mg ED/ 500mg Test Cyp
Week 5: 40mg ED/ 500mg Test Cyp
Week 6-10: 600mg Test Cyp
Week 11-14: Ended with Epi(Can't remember the dose)/ 600mg Test Cyp
12-27-2009, 09:08 PM
Whats the rational behind the dose ramp up?
12-27-2009, 09:49 PM
Ramp= more gains, usually that also results in more negative sides as well, but not for me.
12-28-2009, 06:11 AM
12-28-2009, 06:16 AM
Personally I like the idea of kickstarting with tbol and finishing with var. Both mild yet yeild great strength gains and hold the least water. I'm not big on winnie, too harsh on the joints.
12-28-2009, 06:27 AM
Everything was within the median range, except my BP was just a bit high near my 7th week(most likely cause by the 5th week of Dbol). My nutritionist who keeps a close eye on me, I have been open to her about my use and she makes sure to constantly get on me about bloodwork during cycle. Like I said, if I can find my old logbook I can give exact numbers. I'm in the middle of moving and deploying so it could be in one of three different states lol
As far as cycle support, the answer is YES. I will not do a cycle without having the propper assistance from support supps. I always preload about 4-5 weeks in advance as well.
Remember that everyone's body is different and everyone reacts a little bit differently to each individual chemical. What works for one, might cause severe problems for another.
12-28-2009, 06:31 AM
pre-loading for 4-5 weeks is significant. I have usually only heard of 2 weeks. Can you please outline what your support supps are?
12-28-2009, 06:32 AM
12-28-2009, 07:38 AM
Too many people forget that your support is just as significant as your gear.
I always use:
Everything else I usully go to Nutraplanet and experiment with the latest cycle support products. I have Cabergoline and Nolva/Clomid on stand by as well as having the key points of my PCT available just in case.
12-28-2009, 08:14 AM
lol at this whole thread! especially the guy who thinks ramping up to 40mgs of dbol is overkill!!!!!!! HP have you ever actaully used any of the steroids your talking about? I call BS! Jake, start a thread in the drse dungeon and we will talk about all the gear you want....
12-28-2009, 08:19 AM
Come on give me a break dude are you ****ing joking? This is why I stated "IMO" when I referred to the "overkill" statement. I personally think running Dbol or Drol over 4 weeks isn't needed. That's my opinion, I never said it was a scientifically based fact that it's overkill to run it that long. Follow my posts and ask me again if I have ever used Steroids before. I doubt anyone would have half the knowledge I do about using gear if they have never touched the crap before.
12-28-2009, 08:21 AM
12-28-2009, 08:32 AM
12-28-2009, 08:36 AM
You must have missed that part. I don't really care what you think of me personally. This is the internet, nothing will offend me or get on my nerves. Say what you want, think what you want, you and your words mean absolutely nothing to me dude.
12-28-2009, 01:54 PM
Back.... for real this time
12-28-2009, 06:08 PM
40mg of dbol is an overkill, unless my goal is to feel like I want to punch through a wall.
30mg of good 5mg pink thai's a day is fine, for me anyways.
12-28-2009, 08:35 PM
12-28-2009, 09:16 PM
12-28-2009, 09:22 PM
12-29-2009, 12:03 AM
I'm on cycle now with test got the h1n1 flu shot and came down with some s**** for 4 days i could not eat or drink **** normally and sad to say i feel as if i starved my body and lost some gains....so yeah i agree with leaning out dont do it while on or after a while after...
12-29-2009, 04:47 AM
I'm on and got my H1N1, twice lol
12-29-2009, 12:15 PM
Oh, there's also a very interesting thread about using DBol during PCT @ 10mg ED when you first wake up. Its called something along the lines of the "Dbol Theory". Search it. I will try to find the link later. Im considering using it during my next pct.
12-29-2009, 08:46 PM
Back.... for real this time
12-29-2009, 09:00 PM
Why asinine? The log about it does make sense. Wether or not it's a proven fact is another story. It is a very interesting concept and I may or may not try it. I recommend reading it wether you support it or not though.
12-30-2009, 12:13 AM
If you think 100-120mg dianabol a day is excessive, then your jaw will drop at this...
Back in the 90s' there was a very massive (380lbs+) powerlifter who would take 1000mg/ day of dianabol in the last couple of weeks leading up to a contest. He would take 20 X 10mg tablets five times a day! Apparently he had a candy bowl full of them on his kitchen table.
I have no idea how he survived this, but he is still alive and still huge, although he doesn't compete anymore. Needless to say, It did work for him; he was one of the largest muscular specimens ever.
12-30-2009, 04:38 AM
WTF! Any names on who these dudes are?
12-30-2009, 07:39 AM
i gotta call BS on the 1000mgs day
12-30-2009, 08:16 AM
What do you dose the Epi at during PCT?
12-30-2009, 08:18 AM
12-30-2009, 08:22 AM
What do you consider mid morning? Also I have hemaguno doesed at 12.5mg, would that be ok?
12-30-2009, 08:32 AM
midmorning for me was 2-3 hours after i woke up. I would get up at 5-6am and take the epi with my second meal, usually between 7-9am. I personally dont care for the stealth labs product line, but to each his own. All this being said, epi or dbol in your pct is not for everyone. It takes an experienced user to be able to listen to their body enough to know if the steroid is having an adverse effect on your pct. Oh and bloodwork is basically a must at this point.
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