Test P - 8 week recomp/lean bulk

[SeanyK]

will be running test p for 8 weeks, probably along with either epi or another methyl oral toward the end. looking to recomp, lose a few points on the caliper while putting on a few pounds. pct and diet are in check. I also have albuterol and T4, and may also incorporate them, probably not, but i do have them on hand. will be running anastrazole eod starting with .25mg to keep dry, and prevent bloat or gyno.

I'm trying to figure out my dose; as this is my first go with injectable AAS... i have 4 designer cycles under my belt, the longest being 8 weeks and quite suppressive and managed to recover fine.

I have 3000mg test p (100mg/ml) w
orking on getting more (but in the event i cannot i want to make the bst of what i've got); since Prop is a smaler ester and delivers more hormone than E/C, can i get away with lets say 50mg/day or 100mg/eod? will this be enough? or should I shorten the cycle and up the dose?

Note: also incorporating ghrp6/cjc1295/frag-176 on-cycle, and will be using IGF-1 Lr3 during pct. Plenty of experience with ghrp/cjc, but giving the Lr3 my first shot here. the only other androgens i would possibly incorporate would be epi at 30/40mg for 4-6 weeks (towards the rear), protodrol at 75-100mg for 4-6 weeks, or the possibility of running furaguno at 10 pills/day (330mg) since i have a HUGE stash of those bottles that i got for 14.95 during a closeout sale. so with that amount of androgen in mind per week, would say 350mg of propionate (50mg/day) be enough?... since i'd like to stretch out the cycle as long as possible? ( Note that im roughly 9-10lbs lighter than my stats say right now = roughly 190 ish)

or bump to 500mg and shorten to 6 weeks, and cross my fingers i can get another vial (at least)?


other supplements:
(besides your typical liver, cholesterol, bp, and joint supports)
bulk p-slin
7-oxo-dhea
p5p
hyaluronic acid

[soma]

100mgs T-prop eod should be plenty for a recomp. /lean bulk. I had good results with that amt. last cycle and a couple designers thrown in.

[jakellpet]

^^ agree with the 100mg EOD - most dont need to blast so much test on their 1st run, it's just overkill IMO. The peptides are of interest too - subbed in!

[UnrealMachine]

I think the prop dose at 100mg eod is fine so long as you are leaning on an oral like Epi when the T3 dose gets to 50mcg+

[SeanyK]

unreal, jake, and soma...

thanks for the input. 3 vials was all i could get at the time, but yesterday i confirmed with my source availability for 6-8 weeks down the road... so if i decide to either extend the run, or up the dose, i will be able to.

but since this is my first run with test, specifically test p, just wanted to be sure i didn't need the arbitrary 500mg/week E/C.

waiting on my rigs and 25G pins... no you cant shoot prop with slin pins ha...

so i'd say Friday i'll begin. keep you guys posted.




PS: Jake > do you have experience with peptides? they're awesome, i'd recommend getting into them before the pharma companies get in on all the action. Stuff is great on-cycle, and very promising stand-alone as well. I did ghrp6/cjc/frag all summer, from may-september and got great results long term.

[nosnmiveins]

PS: Jake > do you have experience with peptides? they're awesome, i'd recommend getting into them before the pharma companies get in on all the action. Stuff is great on-cycle, and very promising stand-alone as well. I did ghrp6/cjc/frag all summer, from may-september and got great results long term.

care to ellaborate? what doses? how many pins per day? gains?

sorry that its off topic, peptides just really peak my interest

[SeanyK]

i just did the impossible!!! i deserve a medal or an award!

granted i could have watched the godfather trilogy while drawing this 1ml of testp, i actually managed to draw and shoot with a slin pin! took a while but it did end up in my muscle, no probs, and painlessly.

my 25G aren't arriving until friday... just couldn't help myself! what would you do if you had 3 vials of human grade prop staring you in the face with a box of 1000 slin pins...
I had to at least try lol...

either way, success! my first shot of injectable AAS

[SeanyK]

nos -

i remember you inquiring about the peptides a while ago. good to see you're still researching though.

Feel free to PM me with any questions you have aight

[n8te]

Do you intend to log this? I'm interested in the peptides as well.

[jakellpet]

PS: Jake > do you have experience with peptides? they're awesome, i'd recommend getting into them before the pharma companies get in on all the action. Stuff is great on-cycle, and very promising stand-alone as well. I did ghrp6/cjc/frag all summer, from may-september and got great results long term.

I found the ultimate Peptide Q&A:

http://www.professionalmuscle.com/fo...ic-guides.html

Just started playing with them as a stand alone, it's early days to judge so far, but I got a 5month supply. On-cycle the effects as far as recomp and pct is where it's at.

[SeanyK]

i do not plan on formally logging this... but, i will be giving as many updates as possible. I am a student, and it really is crunch time right now with exams and whatnot. im looking forward to the increased focus to aid in my schoolwork.

Anyway,

My FIRST UPDATE:

took those 2 50mg prop shots at around 5pm, pre-wo meal 8oz grilled chicken breast ontop of mesclun salad with pear, almonds, roasted walnuts (great salad joint right on the first floor of my apartment building; and my gym on the 2nd floor. what could be better ha). hit the gym by 7:30.

Had a mindblowing workout... and no this was not placebo i can assure you (whoever it was that got into it with me about placebo effects of orals). basically just did 45mins straight of bi/tri supersets incorporating a few different exercises, but stressing the supersets; back to back to back to back, with as minimal time in between. For day one, i was extremely impressed. muscular endurance was up, focus, aggression, etc, it was all there and amplified. .... Put it this way; i worked so hard in the gym today i blew chunks in the bathroom before leaving. Reminded me of 2 a days during football in high school. sign of hard work, but sucks wen you just wasted good money on a stomach full of great food. lol.

Feeling godly to say the least already... I mean i love turning heads in the gym, but for day one... it was already obvious to everyone and all the PTs at my gym. I think im gona start wearing long sleeves cause in a week i can already tell its just gona be rubbing it in their faces... i belong to equinox lol; not really the meatheads gym, more of a place where old folks go to walk their saggy ass balls around the lockeroom ... regardless i get a load of young latina girls in there that offset that disgusting image.

I've recently confirmed with my source availability of just about anything I could want for later in the cycle... mast (which i really plan on incorporating once my bf gets a little lower and get my hands on it), more prop to either up the dose or lengthen the run, and primo... all human grade.

Anyway, just had my last meal of the night, 1 yolk + 7 egg whites scrambled. Hittin the hay. Can't wait to hit the gym in the morning before classes. Will do my best to keep you guys updated... no formal log, but plenty of updates, and expect some pre/during/post pics. albuterol and T4 are arriving any day now. and will be starting with the alb at 8/day, 2 weeks on 2 off. Ketotifen was sold out so I figure I'm just gona use benadryl instead... probably cheaper anyway.

I plan on starting the anastrazole at .25 eod, but I already look a little watery. will this be effective, or start at .5eod. keep in mind im a pupertal gyno sufferer (that which doesnt go away like it does in most people after puberty). 11 years of that **** and it aint going nowhere. as long as I keep them from getting any worse. thinking about a really low nolva dose as well, like 10mg, but i doubt it. unless **** really hits the fan. hopefully the adex will do its thing tho.

[jakellpet]

^^^I would edit that post to remove sources mate - that's a No-No around these parts.

[SeanyK]

^^^I would edit that post to remove sources mate - that's a No-No around these parts.

did not even realize what i had there for a second... ****... thanks jake

[SeanyK]

went with 100mg the first two days, yesterday went with 75mg, and today will level off to 50 and will stay there unless i feel the need to go up to 75/day, for 525/week. just wanted to ensure my levels are up quick. pins came yesterday, so no more 45 minute draw/shoots with my slin pins any more lol.

had some great lifts days 1 and 2, took yesterday off due to severe soreness. feels like DOMS, but at the same time damn do i love that feeling.

my alb/T4/adex came today. i need to get them in the mail room.

and great news; after i was under the impression i was being scammed by a research company (for the first time; alwayyys have had great success with a number of those companies), i was proven wrong when the admin emailed me back (many days late, which was why i got so suspicious) and answered all my questions that arose out of what i thought was 'fishy' business practice. This admin was so nice, and so concerned with his reputation i'm sure, that he offered me a gift for my troubles... so with the gift included... I made out with 15mg HGH frag 176, and 1mg of IGF-1Lr3 for a grand total of 80 bux!!! (including shipping) ... pretty nice.



Already i've noticed a leaning out effect, an overall improvement in muscletone, strength, vascularity, and endurance anerobic and aerobic. minimal weight gain if any at all, maybe 1lb tops, which is right where i want to be. not bloating, but did notice my gyno had started to get a little aggravated yesterday; hit it with some nolva, and they're already half the size. since i just got the adex today, i was using formex for the first few days but will be switching over today.

probably will be getting some mast di-prop soon, but will hold off a few weeks until my bf% gets a little lower.

feeling like a king and lovin it.

keep you all informed on my progress dooods...

[neverstop]

awesome man, that is great. If you have some gyno adding 20mg of nolva a day is not going to cause you any issues and can only really help with the gyno and estrogen bloating. I love the feeling of test, I know I sound like a junky but I really wish I could just stay on year round everytime I take it.....

I think I can guess the site you are talking about and I have always had good luck with them, even when hurricanes took out their entire business and I didn't get my stuff for weeks they made me VERY good in the end.

would be great to see some before and after pics, my experience with IGF is that you can't really notice the gains from a weight/size perspective much but visually the vascularity and tighter skin and fuller muscles is really apparent. I've never done CJC/frag or others but very interested to try them during a 8 week break between cycles here soon. I think you'll really like the IGF man, i've run 2 or 3mg of it now and it really helped me during PCT and helped me repair some nagging injuries. I don't think i'll ever do a PCT again without it actually its that good.

[SeanyK]

I think I can guess the site you are talking about and I have always had good luck with them, even when hurricanes took out their entire business and I didn't get my stuff for weeks they made me VERY good in the end

haa Hurricaines... dead give away. no wonder it came so fast. i'm in miayo.

I think you'll really like the IGF man, i've run 2 or 3mg of it now and it really helped me during PCT and helped me repair some nagging injuries. I don't think i'll ever do a PCT again without it actually its that good.

this is very much in line with the reading ive done over the past year on the stuff. once you use it, you'll never pct without it again. we'll have to see. next im my list of goodies... .6% acetic acid, know where to get it, just been too lazy to order as well as skeptical on the ar***** of the igf. Well... its in my freezer right now, so i guess i should get on that ...

[bigzach1234]

what is your site rotation for injections?? also where did u shoot with the insulin pins... i was gonna try 50mg in my calves or chest with a slin pin to see how it goes

[lextronics]

slin pins? what size pins are you using? oil based should be from 22 to 25 gauge and 1" to 1.5" depending on where you injecting...

[SeanyK]

i've been using 1'' 25G in my thighs and ass. I used the slin pins for my first two days because i was waiting for the bigger pins to come in the mail, and was too eager not to try at least try it. I did it along the outside of my thigh where my bf seemed lowest, and where the muscle was closest to the skin. It worked but i wouldn't recommend it... it took a lonnnng ass time. i made it so that i didnt have to hold it while drawing, so i left it locked, drawing by itself on my desk, and when it was ready flicked out the bubbles (there's gonna be a lot of them).

[SeanyK]

what is your site rotation for injections?? also where did u shoot with the insulin pins... i was gonna try 50mg in my calves or chest with a slin pin to see how it goes

i practiced once on my tricep with bacteriostatic water... seemed fine, but ended up with a horrible bruise.


only reason to shoot in these 'exotic locations' is rotational purposes. if you;re really pushing that much oil that you must do it i understand. otherwise there's no localized effect so why do it you know?