4-AD + 1-T
- 09-02-2009, 04:50 PM
4-AD + 1-T
If I had some 4-AD and 1-T powder lying around, what would be some good synergies with the newer DS/PH? Or, maybe a better question would be what to avoid?
I know test/4-AD would be good to run alongside just about anything. What about the 1-T?
Also, how much 4-AD transdermally should a person use to simply mitigate some of the oral PH/DS sides? Not interested in it adding mass with it, just helping with side effects (and prolonging the stash's usefulness).
- 09-02-2009, 05:09 PM
400mg of 4AD trans should alleviate the sides. If I were you, then I'd just run the 2. IMO, nothing on the market comes close to the efficacy of these and without liver sides as well.M.Ed. Ex Phys
- 09-02-2009, 05:45 PM
Is there any method to replicate the old oral 1-T products (like Mag 10, 1-TU, etc.)? Maybe mix it with some kind of oil in a cap? I know oral bioavailability is low, but I'd rather deal with that than the horrid rash.
Sad thing is, I've got quite a bit of 1-T vs. not as much 4-AD.
Really, it may be in my benefit to run low-dose 4-AD alongside an oral DS. That would prolong the usefulness of the stash I have instead of just shooting my wad through one cycle of 4-AD/1-T and struggling through a few oral cycles.
Interested in all thoughts wrt oral 1-T.
09-02-2009, 05:47 PM
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09-02-2009, 11:12 PM
The only TD carriers I can find are Penetrate, which is currently out of stock, and PP's Topical Solution. I think they are both the same thing.
Anyone know if there is anyone still making the Avant/Dermabolics carrier?
09-03-2009, 10:37 AM
Sweet. I may be getting some bottles of the old school dermabolics carrier.
I'm thinking 150-200mg 4-AD and 200-400mg 1-T per day.
09-03-2009, 10:56 AM
09-03-2009, 11:19 AM
I had the 1-test higher than the 4-ad because I'm going to use it to cut. I want just enough 4-ad to mitigate a bit of the lethargy and libido issues w/ 1-T. I've read that a good ratio for cutting is 2:1 1-T:4-AD.
Plus, remember, I'm limited on my 4-ad (probably 5g) and I want to stretch it out as much as possible. I've got plenty of 1-T.
At 150mg/day, I have enough 4-AD to last 33 days.
Thanks for the help. Keep the suggestions/thoughts coming.
edit: I could low-dose both... say 4-ad@150mg and 1-T@200mg alongside something like "tren".
09-03-2009, 11:26 AM
09-03-2009, 11:48 AM
I have enough 4-AD to run 2 weeks at 400mg/day. Or 4-weeks at 200mg/day.
I'm not looking to gain w/ the 4-AD, only to mitigate sides.
You think going balls out at 400mg for a short time would be better than 200mg for the whole cycle?
09-03-2009, 11:49 AM
09-03-2009, 12:04 PM
Good idea on using 4-AD as needed. That sounds like a plan!!!
So, onto another topic. I would like to run an oral alongside the 1-T. Any thoughts on which may be a good candidate?
Thanks again for your input, Rodja. I'd rep you more but I have to spread the love first.
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