i'm just dumbfounded as thats the first time i've seen evidence of anavar being effective at a dosage that is reasonably priced
Seth, thanks for all your input.
Its sort of like how 300mg-400mg of test was considered solid cycles (and 200 a beginners cycle) back in the 80s.
I'd imagine that anavar's negative effect on lipids is much lower at 20mg as well.
So are there OTC alternatives for Anavar/Oxandrolone that work as well as the real thing?
On a different lineup, I saw an AI mentioned as well as AnabolicPump and P-Slin... would Formestane, P-Slin, and yellow gold have a similar effect? Would 1-carboxy interfere with this? I guess I better get reading
by golly, heres another study, possibly even more interesting
2008: Vega Gloria Lena; Clarenbach Jacob J; Dunn Fredrick; Grundy Scott M
Oxandrolone enhances hepatic ketogenesis in adult men.
Journal of investigative medicine : the official publication of the American Federation for Clinical Research 2008;56(7):920-4.
BACKGROUND: Immediate administration of oxandrolone markedly increases hepatic lipase activity and reduces levels of plasma high-density lipoprotein. RATIONALE FOR THE STUDY: We postulated that oxandrolone should increase hepatic lipase and that the nonesterified fatty acids generated would enhance hepatic ketogenesis during an extended fat tolerance test. MAIN RESULTS: Eighteen men participated in the study using short-term administration of oxandrolone (10 mg/d) over a week. Subjects had evaluation of hepatic ketogenesis at baseline and after 7 days of administration of oxandrolone. Ketogenesis was assessed by measuring plasma levels of 3-hydroxybutyrate during a fat tolerance test. Oxandrolone increased fasting levels of 3-hydroxybutyrate by 70%, and increased the area under the curve during an FFT by 53% above pretreatment levels without affecting the areas under the curve for nonesterified fatty acids, glycerol, or triglycerides. Fasting 3-hydroxybutyrate levels correlated with nonesterified fatty acids and with triglycerides; however, there were no significant correlations with any other parameter. CONCLUSIONS: This study shows that short-term administration of oxandrolone results in marked increases in hepatic ketogenesis. This finding is consistent with an increased influx of fatty acids into the liver secondary to lipoprotein lipolysis by increased hepatic lipase. However, the possibility cannot be ruled out that oxandrolone acts directly in the liver to stimulate fatty acid oxidation. Therefore, the observation of increased ketogenesis will require further studies to determine the molecular basis of the response.
That last study had some huge results Seth. Did everyone catch the oxymetholone in there? It seemed like another anavar studay at first. I cant believe doctors put a bunch of senior citizens on a 12 week 100mg/day cycle of A-bombs... Was anyone actually surprised their strength/weight went up so much? I havnt even seen any of the bbers here do an abuser oral cycle like that. Its probably one of those chinese studies.
I've never run anadrol, but is it safe to say the sides are a little overstated?
i've talked to guys who did 150/day. basically 100 a day isn't "crazy" as they are 50mg tabs/caps. so its 2 caps, its not too easy to go from 50 to anything else. i imagine from what i've heard that it helps with fatloss largely because you feel too crappy to eat
There are smaller dosed (10mg) tablets on the market.
"He will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers"
I've never seen the 10mg ones anywhere so far.
Most of those guys using 150mg are at least young, big and using for under 6 weeks. It seems a little different when you juice up a bunch of old guys with one of the strongest steroids known, for that long... Sorry for the tangent.
In your experience how did the var effect your appetite?
I wish I could find some damn var in powder form..
Look around. Its out there. Its the only way i could even conceive running a decent cycle.
Some people probably feel crappy at 100. IDK i've never felt too bad on cycle even 30mg of SD in week 4 no lost libido and no lethargy. Some people just need bigger doses. Maybe everyone's liver filters the compound to a different extent. Who knows. I've seen AAS vets who say that Dbol stacked with Drol is the ****.
^^ 10mg tabs of anadrol, that sounds pointless, you'd be eating those things all day
The 10mg pills wouldnt be pointless to stack on a bigger cycle or for a longer amount of time. There is a study on the diminishing returns of drol out there somewhere that i have seen. Basically 100mg is the point where there are major diminishing returns. Even in the study Seth posted the 50mg dose has a lot more than 50% of the results that 100mg had.
Unreal i've heard the same thing about d-bol and drol stacked. Sounds like a recipe for gyno though if you're not carefull.
hmmm looks like anavatr is better than winstrol but mroe expensive??
*steps down from soap box*
Cope only used 25mg var on his last cycle, good results. I like low-dose, short cycles combining a few different chems. I find it easier to maintain gains on low-dose, 4-6 weeks cycles. Plus it's easier on the body, especially lipid profile AND the heart. Sorry for the rants guys, but having used 20mg and 25mg in my cycles, I would say that the most someone should use is 40mg. If you want more gains, run something along with your var. Var also makes your blood thick and coagulate, this I have verified.