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any difference between pinning 250 mg 2x per week and pinning 500 mg once per week?
really and what should the split be?Stable levels and half life. Do yourself a favor and pin twice a week.
Yeah definitely go with twice per week mate, pinning isn't so bad after the first few shots, it just takes a few goes to find the 'sweet' locations for you (for me it's quads).thanks mrbigpr-wed and sat shud work well for me
wat are your thoughts on HCG for a test E cycle?
since PCT for Test-E does not start for 2 weeks after your last shot, cause of the ester not cleared from your body, how long would you want to use HCG for after the 10 weeks is up?Yeah definitely go with twice per week mate, pinning isn't so bad after the first few shots, it just takes a few goes to find the 'sweet' locations for you (for me it's quads).
With regards to HCG, it will definitely help with recovery.
For a basic ten week cycle, start the HCG in Week 5 and shoot 250IUs, twice a week (e.g. Tuesday and Friday).
Continue to administer the HCG all the way up to Week 10, do not carry over into PCT.
Apologies, this is what I meant ^^^^ your last shot is when PCT begins.You would want to go until the beginning of PCT. Day 1 of PCT should be the last day of hCG.
Different schools of thinking.Day 1 of PCT should be the first day of HCG.
You'll suppress natural recovery this way. Its counter-productive to shoot HCG while you're trying to regain natty test, since HCG will SPIKE your test and feedback inhibition will kick in. You want natural LH to increase NOT decrease (which is what temporarily happens after you shoot HCG which basically functions as LH in the testes).Day 1 of PCT should be the first day of HCG.
Reps to you my friend.You'll suppress natural recovery this way. Its counter-productive to shoot HCG while you're trying to regain natty test, since HCG will SPIKE your test and feedback inhibition will kick in. You want natural LH to increase NOT decrease (which is what temporarily happens after you shoot HCG which basically functions as LH in the testes).
Controversial topic. Not everybody agrees on this type of protocol, even amongst pros, and you must be aware of the fact that the only medically documented PCT called for Nolva, Clomid and hcg.You'll suppress natural recovery this way. Its counter-productive to shoot HCG while you're trying to regain natty test, since HCG will SPIKE your test and feedback inhibition will kick in. You want natural LH to increase NOT decrease (which is what temporarily happens after you shoot HCG which basically functions as LH in the testes).
I agree, absolutly, I like hcg on cycle, on a Swale's type protocol, but I have had many discussions regarding some who like it during PCT, and if I am not mistaken Llewellyn, and Anthony Roberts both document PCTs calling for hcg, clomid, and Nolva.hcg simulates lh function....clomid stimulates lh function....notice the difference....samad is right....actually using hcg during pct would be counter productive
do you freeze your HCG? Because I do. I think this halts any degradation you speak of. Then I bring out and reconstitute whatever I need for the week.You can think that way if you want. Your PCT isn't going to be "easier" because you used HCG while on cycle. In fact, HCG goes bad rather quickly, so you will end up shooting bad HCG (people don't take this into account).
Week 1-2 HCG administered at 2000iu every other day for 5 total injections.
Week 1-4 Clomid administered at 50mg daily
Week 1-6 Adex administered at .5 mg daily
Is a PCT that will work wonderfully. Period. The adex could be adjusted.
You can think that way if you want. Your PCT isn't going to be "easier" because you used HCG while on cycle. In fact, HCG goes bad rather quickly, so you will end up shooting bad HCG (people don't take this into account).
Week 1-2 HCG administered at 2000iu every other day for 5 total injections.
Week 1-4 Clomid administered at 50mg daily
Week 1-6 Adex administered at .5 mg daily
Is a PCT that will work wonderfully. Period. The adex could be adjusted.
what size vial are you getting that you can recon every week without wasting a lot....the smallest ive seen is a 2500iu amp....do you freeze your HCG? Because I do. I think this halts any degradation you speak of. Then I bring out and reconstitute whatever I need for the week.
organons website says that after reconstitution the peptide is active for 60 days....but ive noticed a definate difference after just a few weeks....i think it breaks down much quickert than they claim.....I reconstitute 5000IU vials and then draw out individual insulin pins of them and then put them in fridge in a couple ziplocks. So its every few weeks I have to pull a HCG out freezer (which is lypholized).
Interesting. Would the protocol be different for someone that is already on TRT?You'll suppress natural recovery this way. Its counter-productive to shoot HCG while you're trying to regain natty test, since HCG will SPIKE your test and feedback inhibition will kick in. You want natural LH to increase NOT decrease (which is what temporarily happens after you shoot HCG which basically functions as LH in the testes).
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