deca/test/dbol questions

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  1. deca/test/dbol questions


    Fairly positive i would like to run this cycle. Also looking for some advice on it. How i figured from research would be running
    12 weeks of test at 500mg
    12 weeks of deca at 250mg
    Dbol run 25,25,50,50 for the first 4 weeks.
    Does this sound like the right dosing?
    Which serm would be recommend for this cycle?
    What is the best way to run HCG and how necessary is it?
    What supports should i use on this cycle?
    What other extra's would be necessary or beneficial in PCT?
    And lastly what should i expect to pay for everything?

    Please do not flame if this is way off. Cycle is planned 6 months out and I am still very much learning. Thank you for your responses.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by snowbird View Post
    Fairly positive i would like to run this cycle. Also looking for some advice on it. How i figured from research would be running
    12 weeks of test at 500mg
    10 weeks of deca at 250mg
    Dbol run 30.30.30.30 for the first 4 weeks.
    Does this sound like the right dosing?
    Which serm would be recommend for this cycle? clomid
    What is the best way to run HCG and how necessary is it? very necessary with any 19-nor compounds (deca, NPP, tren-e, tren-a)
    What supports should i use on this cycle?
    What other extra's would be necessary or beneficial in PCT?
    And lastly what should i expect to pay for everything? not allowed

    Please do not flame if this is way off. Cycle is planned 6 months out and I am still very much learning. Thank you for your responses.


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  3. For HCG is it run just during pct? What i gathered is start at 250iu and run that for about a week and if nothing changes up the dose till the boys start to drop.

    What would the reccommended clomid dosing be?

    For the Deca is the 10 weeks started at the very beginning of the cycle or two weeks into it to finish when the test finishes.

    Also is D-bol illegal?

    Do you have any personal preferences for supports or pct supps?

  4. run hcg during cycle at either 500iu every 5th day or 250iu 2x a week. dbol is illegal in the usa just like test and deca. start deca when you start test that way you're giving the ester time to clear and still on the test before pct.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by bb4life View Post
    run hcg during cycle at either 500iu every 5th day or 250iu 2x a week. dbol is illegal in the usa just like test and deca. start deca when you start test that way you're giving the ester time to clear and still on the test before pct.
    When would I start using it? Directly at the start of the cycle or at the first sign of testicular atrophy?
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by snowbird View Post
    When would I start using it? Directly at the start of the cycle or at the first sign of testicular atrophy?
    I would run 250iu 2x per week for the duration up until pct

  7. taper up an ai at the end and taper down as the colmid tapers down?
    CURRENT 2014 Log http://anabolicminds.com/forum/old-school-hormone/252748-cherry-poppin-test.html

  8. why the rush are you at a sticking point? if your diet is fine and training is good and still not getting any where then if its a first cycle try test 400mg each week for 12weeks! your get some good results nolva/clomid on hand before during and after!!!! maybe next cycle sus deca d-bol!!! all the best

  9. Quote Originally Posted by irish rednose View Post
    why the rush are you at a sticking point? if your diet is fine and training is good and still not getting any where then if its a first cycle try test 400mg each week for 12weeks! your get some good results nolva/clomid on hand before during and after!!!! maybe next cycle sus deca d-bol!!! all the best
    There is no rush its planned a ways out. I am currently cutting and when i get back to bulking if im growing continuously the cycle will be pushed out until i feel i would like I want the boost. As far as what the cycle is i feel that you really only get one first cycle why not get as much out of it as you can? After that its diminishing returns.

    Quote Originally Posted by bb4life View Post
    run hcg during cycle at either 500iu every 5th day or 250iu 2x a week. dbol is illegal in the usa just like test and deca. start deca when you start test that way you're giving the ester time to clear and still on the test before pct.
    Ill probably do the 250iu 2x a week thanks. Thats what i figured on the dbol just wasnt sure.

  10. If I understand correctly, this will be your first cycle....as I indicated in the other post, this is WAY too much, especially for someone who is hypogonadal.....

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  11. hcg use?


    is hcg supposed to be run throughout the cycle? or we use it for mar 4 weeks n then take a few weeks break n start hcg again? for instance its a 12-14 week test prop-deca cycle?
    also.. which AI wud u guys suggest to be run during the cycle? arimidex, aromasin, letro? n at what dosage?

    thanks.

  12. If this i your first cycle, just go with test 500mg ew for 10 weeks

  13. Quote Originally Posted by freqfly View Post
    If this i your first cycle, just go with test 500mg ew for 10 weeks
    Already been talked out of this for a first cycle. Looking at test prop 100mg every other day and possibly dbol to kick start it. Haven't decided on that piece yet. Deca is out of the picture for this cycle though.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by snowbird View Post
    Already been talked out of this for a first cycle. Looking at test prop 100mg every other day and possibly dbol to kick start it. Haven't decided on that piece yet. Deca is out of the picture for this cycle though.
    u dont need a kickstart with prop, but dbol would be a nice addition

  15. Quote Originally Posted by nosnmiveins View Post
    u dont need a kickstart with prop, but dbol would be a nice addition
    Yeah been doing my homework and thats what i gathered. Being as im already on TRT due to naturally low test, I haven't figured out yet if dbol should wait. I hear mixed things.

  16. Hey guys this might be a little over the top but what is your take on adding in clen for the last 4 weeks of a cycle like this? I wouldnt do this for my first cycle but was looking at it for a second one assuming all goes according to planned with the first one. So it would look something like this:
    100mg test prop 8 weeks
    30mg dbol first 4 weeks
    clen tapered up 60, 80, 100, 120 for the last 4 weeks
    Possibly a dry compound along with the clen?

    Once again second cycle idea, not first. Repped for any good input.

  17. looks like way too fast a taper

    if I wanted to shed weight I would add some peptides like IGF/CJC1295. Increasing IGF levels burns fat real quick.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by snowbird View Post
    Hey guys this might be a little over the top but what is your take on adding in clen for the last 4 weeks of a cycle like this? I wouldnt do this for my first cycle but was looking at it for a second one assuming all goes according to planned with the first one. So it would look something like this:
    100mg test prop 8 weeks
    30mg dbol first 4 weeks
    clen tapered up 60, 80, 100, 120 for the last 4 weeks
    Possibly a dry compound along with the clen?

    Once again second cycle idea, not first. Repped for any good input.
    Snow if its your first run with clen i would start at about half that dose then work up. Also being on 4 weeks your receptors are going to clog quickly giving it less effect. Look up some things on how people have run clen well. Many do 2 weeks on and 2 off to avoid building up a tolerance.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Smiley View Post
    Snow if its your first run with clen i would start at about half that dose then work up. Also being on 4 weeks your receptors are going to clog quickly giving it less effect. Look up some things on how people have run clen well. Many do 2 weeks on and 2 off to avoid building up a tolerance.
    Thank you. I came across a few threads to give me some better ideas of how to run clen after i asked the question. My big unknown still is if its doable to run clen/t3 at the last half of a dbol/test prop cycle. And still looking into if i should run some sort of dry compound at the same time along with test/clen/t3.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by freqfly View Post
    If this i your first cycle, just go with test 500mg ew for 10 weeks
    10-12 weeks of [email protected] is what most do and is a normal protocol. I dont see a problem running [email protected] or so for the first few weeks. The thing is, when you add in more compounds and have side effects your lack of experience will not enable you to know which one is causing the problem. There is plenty of time to do cycles, keep it simple and run either test or test/dbol. I would run test/winny or var but whatever. The gains are much more keepable and with dbol you better keep some adex on hand because that is the only compound (dbol) that causes me to bloat and the feeling is so freaking unpleasant, trust me on this.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by snowbird View Post
    Fairly positive i would like to run this cycle. Also looking for some advice on it. How i figured from research would be running
    12 weeks of test at 500mg
    12 weeks of deca at 250mg
    Dbol run 25,25,50,50 for the first 4 weeks.
    Does this sound like the right dosing?
    Which serm would be recommend for this cycle?
    What is the best way to run HCG and how necessary is it?
    What supports should i use on this cycle?
    What other extra's would be necessary or beneficial in PCT?
    And lastly what should i expect to pay for everything?

    Please do not flame if this is way off. Cycle is planned 6 months out and I am still very much learning. Thank you for your responses.
    For your nest cycle not this one, as I would go with the test/dbol, bump the Deca up to 400mgs EW and run your test 2 weeks longer than the deca; so test500-14 weeks, deca400-12 weeks.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by snowbird View Post
    Thank you. I came across a few threads to give me some better ideas of how to run clen after i asked the question. My big unknown still is if its doable to run clen/t3 at the last half of a dbol/test prop cycle. And still looking into if i should run some sort of dry compound at the same time along with test/clen/t3.
    The bigger question that nobody has asked is "what are you trying to accomplish"... at 5'10" 175, i'm guessing bulking, but then throwing in the clen would be somewhat counterproductive for those last 4 weeks.

  23. There is plenty of time to do cycles, keep it simple and run either test or test/dbol. I would run test/winny or var but whatever. The gains are much more keepable and with dbol you better keep some adex on hand because that is the only compound (dbol) that causes me to bloat and the feeling is so freaking unpleasant, trust me on this.[/QUOTE]

    Agreed, replace dbol with winny, test/winny is great combo, great strength, low on bloating, very affordable, still will gain good size, low sides, cant go wrong, probably one of my favorite combo's ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by freqfly View Post
    If this i your first cycle, just go with test 500mg ew for 10 weeks
    Best advice ^^^ Just do a simple Test E cycle and see how you react to it. With an excellent diet you'll gain a lot of mass from it alone.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by mj34 View Post
    10-12 weeks of [email protected] is what most do and is a normal protocol. I dont see a problem running [email protected] or so for the first few weeks. The thing is, when you add in more compounds and have side effects your lack of experience will not enable you to know which one is causing the problem. There is plenty of time to do cycles, keep it simple and run either test or test/dbol. I would run test/winny or var but whatever. The gains are much more keepable and with dbol you better keep some adex on hand because that is the only compound (dbol) that causes me to bloat and the feeling is so freaking unpleasant, trust me on this.
    Already planning to have adex on hand. I believe you helped me on that in another thread i made. Is winny just more keepable because of the water weight gained with dbol?

    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    The bigger question that nobody has asked is "what are you trying to accomplish"... at 5'10" 175, i'm guessing bulking, but then throwing in the clen would be somewhat counterproductive for those last 4 weeks.
    As i said above the clen idea is for a future cycle. Not the one im planning for fall. I am currently cutting just a few more pounds off then plan to bulk for the next year. Im assuming ill at least have a little fat gain from doing this. So my idea for the second cycle if the first goes according to planned, is to bump up the doses and duration a little and possibly shred off some fat toward the end which is where the clen would come in. Im not quite sure how clen works(still looking) so this is where the questions are coming from. A lot may change by that point in time but it never hurts to learn something new even if i dont use it.

    Quote Originally Posted by isoc View Post
    Agreed, replace dbol with winny, test/winny is great combo, great strength, low on bloating, very affordable, still will gain good size, low sides, cant go wrong, probably one of my favorite combo's ever.
    I havent really looked at winny. I was under the impression that dbol was more of a bulking compound. This thread kind of went of track so im not sure if you were referring to my first cycle plan or the second one (with clen).

    Quote Originally Posted by UKStrength View Post
    Best advice ^^^ Just do a simple Test E cycle and see how you react to it. With an excellent diet you'll gain a lot of mass from it alone.
    I am still debating that idea. Some are saying run test E while others told me Test prop. Why would i not run the prop? I am not against pinning more often. Needles dont bother me at all.



    There seems to be two different topics being advised now. So to make it more clear:
    First Cycle: Planned for this fall (pure bulking)
    Test prop 100mg 8 weeks
    Dbol 30mg first 4 weeks

    Second Cycle: Planned for spring (lean mass and cutting)
    Test prop 125mg for 10 weeks
    Dbol 40mg first 4 weeks
    Clen with proper pulsing for the last 6 weeks of the cycle (still looking at dosing protocol)

    Please just refer to First or Second Cycle when commenting/advising. Thanks
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