Flawless Cutting on AD

CryingEmo · 03-28-2008, 11:43 AM

I've been cutting, and I'm slowly transitioning in to less and less calories below maintenance. Right now I'm around 700-800 per day, and I'm keep the fats and protein high, and carbs under 30, obviously.

My question is on carb ups, does the carb type matter because it's all going to glycogen?

I was thinking about using lower GI carbs, with more fiber, like oatmeal, healthier cereals, fruits sparringly because of the fructose issue, and sweet potatoes (seriously, who the hell eats these on a carb up?)

I was also thinking about priming each meal with anabolic pump, 1-2 pills 15 minutes before hand.

Also, should the refeeds be shorter, or less intense? Right now I shoot for 4 semi large carb meals in the span of 12-16 hours. This usually nets 800 carbs, and I think my glycogen reserves can hold 16 X kg in LBM, which would be around 90, so a totally glycogen depleted me could store 1440 carbs in 24 hours, and 800 in 12 hours, or which plus maintenance cals means I could eat 6500 calories a day and gain ZERO fat. More realistically I still have some glycogen, so I could round it down to 700, and I could still eat around 6000 calories, assuming 2800 were carbs, and gain zero fat, plus get the metabolic boost.

On the flip side, if the refeeds where more intensive, I'd get a larger metabolic boost which would set me up nicely for the low cal low carb days.

What do you think?

T-Bone · 03-28-2008, 11:55 AM

I'm not on the Metabolic Diet anymore but had been for years. I really don't see the point of eating lower GI carbs on carb up, you only eat them once a week so it doesn't matter really. What you have to watch out for on carb ups is eating too large of a meal, because of the surge of insulin. You are right about the carb ups helping you on the lower carb days. You NEED to eat more on carb ups to make the diet work better by increasing leptin!. You should though, eat smaller meals more often....I think your low carb days of 700-800 calories a day are too low, I know because I got in that habbit also. Often during the week you are just not hungry. Make sure to eat every two to three hours, Make sure you have some fiberous veggie with each meal....

CryingEmo · 03-28-2008, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by T-Bone

I'm not on the Metabolic Diet anymore but had been for years. I really don't see the point of eating lower GI carbs on carb up, you only eat them once a week so it doesn't matter really. What you have to watch out for on carb ups is eating too large of a meal, because of the surge of insulin. You are right about the carb ups helping you on the lower carb days. You NEED to eat more on carb ups to make the diet work better by increasing leptin!. You should though, eat smaller meals more often....I think your low carb days of 700-800 calories a day are too low, I know because I got in that habbit also. Often during the week you are just not hungry. Make sure to eat every two to three hours, Make sure you have some fiberous veggie with each meal....

Thanks for the informative post. Reps.

By 700-800, I meant below maintenance. I eat around 2500 calories a day on low calorie days, and this for me is where I feel if I go any lower, I'd lose LBM.

My first carb meal always ends up being pretty big, but the rest are smaller. It seems that anabolic pump + lower GI carbs could reduce the insulin spike of the first meal, if it were larger.

T-Bone · 03-28-2008, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CryingEmo

Thanks for the informative post. Reps.

By 700-800, I meant below maintenance. I eat around 2500 calories a day on low calorie days, and this for me is where I feel if I go any lower, I'd lose LBM.

My first carb meal always ends up being pretty big, but the rest are smaller. It seems that anabolic pump + lower GI carbs could reduce the insulin spike of the first meal, if it were larger.

Don't worry about the lower GI carbs, especially if you are gonna use Anabolic Pump on carb ups. I used Anabolic Pump on the Metabolic Diet on both the carb ups and low carb days, it worked exceptionally well.

Brian5225 · 03-28-2008, 12:49 PM

But couldn't eating higher GI carbs cause an increase in insulin? From what I've read and experienced, eating higher GI would cause a quicker spike in insulin levels, whereas the lower GI would secreat a slower steady release of insulin. Just my two cents. I'm not trying to keep you from actually enjoying the weekends lol, just figured I'd ask.

CryingEmo · 03-28-2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by T-Bone

Don't worry about the lower GI carbs, especially if you are gonna use Anabolic Pump on carb ups. I used Anabolic Pump on the Metabolic Diet on both the carb ups and low carb days, it worked exceptionally well.

AP on low carb days? But why?

That must have been REALLY expensive.

**Botch** · 03-28-2008, 01:03 PM

Recently I have switched from eating almost all low GI carbs during the carb ups to almost all high GI carbs during the carb ups. I am seeing better results with the high GI carbs than I had with the low, and I've held everything else about my diet constant except for the carbs. The carb up will be shorter and more intense when you use the high GI carbs. I think you should experiment with the high GI carbs and keep your carb up to about 12 hours rather than 16. Lately I've been having a large oreo shake from an ice cream shop in town each carb up and its one of those foods where I can feel my muscles are filling up. Plus, high GI carbs are tasty!

**Botch** · 03-28-2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian5225

But couldn't eating higher GI carbs cause an increase in insulin? From what I've read and experienced, eating higher GI would cause a quicker spike in insulin levels, whereas the lower GI would secreat a slower steady release of insulin. Just my two cents. I'm not trying to keep you from actually enjoying the weekends lol, just figured I'd ask.

It will make the carb up shorter and more intense, yes. But as long as you're eating your high GI carbs with enough fat you should still have a steady release of insulin.

**Botch** · 03-28-2008, 01:07 PM

AP worked for me on a high carb diet, but makes me a bloated mofo when I use it during my carb ups on the AD.

**Botch** · 03-28-2008, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by T-Bone

I'm not on the Metabolic Diet anymore but had been for years. I really don't see the point of eating lower GI carbs on carb up, you only eat them once a week so it doesn't matter really. What you have to watch out for on carb ups is eating too large of a meal, because of the surge of insulin. You are right about the carb ups helping you on the lower carb days. You NEED to eat more on carb ups to make the diet work better by increasing leptin!. You should though, eat smaller meals more often....I think your low carb days of 700-800 calories a day are too low, I know because I got in that habbit also. Often during the week you are just not hungry. Make sure to eat every two to three hours, Make sure you have some fiberous veggie with each meal....

May I ask what prompted you to switch diets, T-Bone?

T-Bone · 03-28-2008, 01:16 PM

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May I ask what prompted you to switch diets, T-Bone?

Its just that I had been on it for around 5 years. Just got sick of it really. Sick of eating chicken, cheese, steak, chicken, lamb, more chicken, ham, chicken, with a side of chicken....Sure it works great, but try being on it for 5 years straight.

**Botch** · 03-28-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by T-Bone

Its just that I had been on it for around 5 years. Just got sick of it really. Sick of eating chicken, cheese, steak, chicken, lamb, more chicken, ham, chicken, with a side of chicken....Sure it works great, but try being on it for 5 years straight.

Lol, and is that a picture of chicken I see in your Avy? I can only imagine being on this diet for 5 years would get a bit stale. I have only been on it for about a half a year and if I don't switch up the meat choices often then eating becomes more of a chore than something I enjoy.

T-Bone · 03-28-2008, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Botch

Lol, and is that a picture of chicken I see in your Avy? I can only imagine being on this diet for 5 years would get a bit stale. I have only been on it for about a half a year and if I don't switch up the meat choices often then eating becomes more of a chore than something I enjoy.

It is salmon, brown rice, and broccoli.

**Botch** · 03-28-2008, 01:58 PM

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It is salmon, brown rice, and broccoli.

Gotcha, couldn't really tell if it was fish or chicken. It looks tasty though.

imprezivr6 · 03-28-2008, 05:57 PM

What kind of results have you had on the cut?

I am about to start cutting this monday. Hoping for good results. Really wanna get shredded for summer.