[TNASTYII]

i know you have to have the right kind of metabolism and body for this diet and i was wondering. ive been on it for around 4 days now. my first workout was fine, but i did chest and shoulders yesterday and my strenth was pretty low. it was the first workout in a while i didnt add weight to my incline press, and chest flies and such.

heres a bit about me. i use to be severly overweight in middle school, around the area of 225 pounds in the 8th grade. i droped a mess load of weight even though i didnt know what i was doing and went down to 170. got lazy and the 170 turned into 195, cut back down to around 180 and my weight has been hovering around 186 ever since i started working out. i know my body loves carbs. so idk if this is the right diet for me. i can eat lots of fats and proteins and not gain fat, but those carbs are a different story.

i feel leaner and my pants are looser since i started but idk if this is the right diet for me. im really tryin to cut BF here. the reason i say idk if its rght is becuase of the strenth loss yesterday. i like im getting leaner and the day after i workout i feel like the muscle group is bigger.
maybe i can get some input on this :]
thanks

[JDF]

Strength will go down the first week or so, after my body became more fat adapted I started to gain strength again.

The later in your week you get ( further from the refeed ) the weaker you will get because of decreased glycogyn stores, you will want to get your heavier/more important bodyparts ( i.e. legs, chest, back ) done in the earlier part part of your split.

Stick with the diet TNasty, sounds like your explaining yourself to be an endo and the diet works wonders for us.

[Botch]

Originally Posted by TNASTYII

i know you have to have the right kind of metabolism and body for this diet and i was wondering. ive been on it for around 4 days now. my first workout was fine, but i did chest and shoulders yesterday and my strenth was pretty low. it was the first workout in a while i didnt add weight to my incline press, and chest flies and such.

heres a bit about me. i use to be severly overweight in middle school, around the area of 225 pounds in the 8th grade. i droped a mess load of weight even though i didnt know what i was doing and went down to 170. got lazy and the 170 turned into 195, cut back down to around 180 and my weight has been hovering around 186 ever since i started working out. i know my body loves carbs. so idk if this is the right diet for me. i can eat lots of fats and proteins and not gain fat, but those carbs are a different story.

i feel leaner and my pants are looser since i started but idk if this is the right diet for me. im really tryin to cut BF here. the reason i say idk if its rght is becuase of the strenth loss yesterday. i like im getting leaner and the day after i workout i feel like the muscle group is bigger.
maybe i can get some input on this :]
thanks

I don't know where you heard that this diet is only for certain metabolisms but it is a damn near panacea for any metabolism. Do not, and I repeat DO NOT get discouraged during the first few weeks of this diet if your strength dips down a bit. This is quite normal. When I first started the diet my strenght dropped and I gained about 5 lbs of bodyfat. I was sooo close to quitting and I just thought "there is no way this diet is for me!!!" But I can't even express to you how happy I am that I stuck with it. Getting through the assessment phase is difficult, but if you stick with it you will be very pleased. But if your goal is to drop bodyfat right this instant and you're looking for a quick fix then this diet is not for you. It is a lifestyle change and your body needs time do adapt. The reason why your strength is dipping at this point is because you are still a carbohydrate burner. After the initial 12 day break in period your body will shift from burning carbohydrates for fuel to fat as its main fuel source. And after 4 weeks you can start to cut the calories and I gaurantee that you will experience the superior fat burning properties that this diet has to offer.

[TNASTYII]

thanks for the replies guys. you mentioned you gained 5 pounds the first week. ive LOST 3lbs as of yesterday along with some strenth but i figured that happens to the best of us. i feel like im gaining muscle at the same time. i did chest and shoulders yesterday, with Super sets of tris and bis (only 4 sets for both) and my arms feel alot fuller today. i just feel different everytime i put my shirt on after starting this diet. im not discouraged, and i have alot of will power. i wont quit. and nothings a quick fix. you say i describe myself as an endo. im more a mix between a endo and ecto lol. im 6'2 and trying to gain as much muscle as possible. i havnt been putting it on easy either. im a hardgainer with sensitivity to carbs or high cals. kinda weird but everyones different. my mom always complains"all this meat isnt good for you." i just looked it up and it said people had better blood work after being on this diet. lol. she always complains, but mom and dad are diabetic. i try to tell them dont eat alot of carbs...whats do they do? eat carbs.lol. she not gonna make me quit. im just mentioning it.
i see what your saying about having the biggest body parts at the beggining of the week after the refeed. i did back 2 days after i started and strenth was fine.

is it ok to only have one refeed/carb up day? or should i stick with 2. o and i recently read online on bb.com, someone was talking about buffalo wings being low carb...just had me some and they were amazing haha. 1 carb per 3 pieces. the best i could find and im sure its ok for this diet. me and my buddy are doing legs tommorow morning. its prob gonna suck lol. i cant wait to have a carb up. i miss my milk really bad

side note: i could prob use all the info you guys can give me on this diet and training. im just now figuring out how many sets i need to avoid overtraining. so basically ive been overtraining the whole year and 3 months ive been working out. i think ive got it straight now. thats one of the reasons ive felt bigger, is because i actually grew this week bc i didnt overtrain. and im not totally on the anabolic diet yet. ive been following it, but ive had around 30-40g of carbs. thats ONLY on workout days. but im cutting all carbs from now on. most of the carbs i was eating was PWO. in my shake. i just read that you dont eat any carbs PWO on this diet. :/ guess i read over that one. i knew you had to stay under 30g. its prob gonna be better that i did do it this way, i came off ALOT of carbs in my diet. and i mean ALOT. lol. been getting headaches too, but they are gone.

i kep thinkin of more stuff to ask and write about.....what do you guys eat on the go? low carb protein bar? or what? im in college and some classes are 3 hours so i need food if im eating every 3 hours, which ive been doing for a long time.

[CryingEmo]

Originally Posted by TNASTYII

thanks for the replies guys. you mentioned you gained 5 pounds the first week. ive LOST 3lbs as of yesterday along with some strenth but i figured that happens to the best of us. i feel like im gaining muscle at the same time. i did chest and shoulders yesterday, with Super sets of tris and bis (only 4 sets for both) and my arms feel alot fuller today. i just feel different everytime i put my shirt on after starting this diet. im not discouraged, and i have alot of will power. i wont quit. and nothings a quick fix. you say i describe myself as an endo. im more a mix between a endo and exo lol. im 6'2 and trying to gain as much muscle as possible. i havnt been putting it on easy either. im a hardgainer with sensitivity to carbs or high cals. kinda weird but everyones different. my mom always complains"all this meat isnt good for you." i just looked it up and it said people had better blood work after being on this diet. lol. she always complains, but mom and dad are diabetic. i try to tell them dont eat alot of carbs...whats do they do? eat carbs.lol. she not gonna make me quit. im just mentioning it.
i see what your saying about having the biggest body parts at the beggining of the week after the refeed. i did back 2 days after i started and strenth was fine.

is it ok to only have one refeed/carb up day? or should i stick with 2. o and i recently read online on bb.com, someone was talking about buffalo wings being low carb...just had me some and they were amazing haha. 1 carb per 3 pieces. the best i could find and im sure its ok for this diet. me and my buddy are doing legs tommorow morning. its prob gonna suck lol. i cant wait to have a carb up. i miss my milk really bad

side note: i could prob use all the info you guys can give me on this diet and training. im just now figuring out how many sets i need to avoid overtraining. so basically ive been overtraining the whole year and 3 months ive been working out. i think ive got it straight now. thats one of the reasons ive felt bigger, is because i actually grew this week bc i didnt overtrain. and im not totally on the anabolic diet yet. ive been following it, but ive had around 30-40g of carbs. thats ONLY on workout days. but im cutting all carbs from now on. most of the carbs i was eating was PWO. in my shake. i just read that you dont eat any carbs PWO on this diet. :/ guess i read over that one. i knew you had to stay under 30g. its prob gonna be better that i did do it this way, i came off ALOT of carbs in my diet. and i mean ALOT. lol. been getting headaches too, but they are gone.

i kep thinkin of more stuff to ask and write about.....what do you guys eat on the go? low carb protein bar? or what? im in college and some classes are 3 hours so i need food if im eating every 3 hours, which ive been doing for a long time.

You probably didn't lose any strength, you were just glycogen depleted, so you didn't have enough energy.


You can still have milk dude. Buy HOODS CALORIE COUNTDOWN MILK. IT's 3 grams of carbs per cup. So you could have a few cups a day mixed with protein powder and be fine. Try it, it's good.

[Botch]

Im pissed I haven't been able to find hoods calorie countdown chocolate milk at any of the grocery stores in my area and it sounds awesome!

[CryingEmo]

Originally Posted by Botch

Im pissed I haven't been able to find hoods calorie countdown chocolate milk at any of the grocery stores in my area and it sounds awesome!

Yeah it owns, it's alot more creamy than skim milk. It tastes like a savory cream, which IMO tastes wayyy better than skim milk. I drink it even on carb ups with cereal. That milk + ezekiel cereal OWNS!! Giant stores carry it. The chocolate version has 5 grams of carbs a cup, but IMO doesn't taste as good.


Another thing about carb ups, refeeds, is that huge leptin boost, so if you go real low cals the next day, you just lost 1 LB of solid fat in like a day with cardio... bcaa's to protect muscle.

[Botch]

TNASTYII, I am also in college and Monday-Friday I am at school for about 8-10 hours. I workout inbetween classes and I like to bring protein shakes w/ heavy whipping cream and extra virgin olive oil with me. For another meal I also like to bring some tuna pre mixed with mustard and mayo and some more extra virgin olive oil to have by itself with the tuna. Nuts are also a good choice as well. If you are needing some extra fat during the day fish oil is also a good choice. I usually take about 10 caps with my post workout shake, then wait about an hour and have a large meal. Hope that all made sense, I got my wisdom teeth pulled earlier today and the painkillers are making me looooooopy .

[JDF]

Originally Posted by CryingEmo

Yeah it owns, it's alot more creamy than skim milk. It tastes like a savory cream, which IMO tastes wayyy better than skim milk. I drink it even on carb ups with cereal. That milk + ezekiel cereal OWNS!! Giant stores carry it. The chocolate version has 5 grams of carbs a cup, but IMO doesn't taste as good.


Another thing about carb ups, refeeds, is that huge leptin boost, so if you go real low cals the next day, you just lost 1 LB of solid fat in like a day with cardio... bcaa's to protect muscle.

I usually go super low kcal after my 12 hour refeeds, that little tid-bit is very interesting.

BCAAs for some reason I can seem to have, I could not get into ketosis for about a month until this week when i dropped my Xtend to try and trouble shoot. Might be picking up some leucine though since its a ketogenic amino acid

[Botch]

Originally Posted by CryingEmo

Yeah it owns, it's alot more creamy than skim milk. It tastes like a savory cream, which IMO tastes wayyy better than skim milk. I drink it even on carb ups with cereal. That milk + ezekiel cereal OWNS!! Giant stores carry it. The chocolate version has 5 grams of carbs a cup, but IMO doesn't taste as good.


Another thing about carb ups, refeeds, is that huge leptin boost, so if you go real low cals the next day, you just lost 1 LB of solid fat in like a day with cardio... bcaa's to protect muscle.

I need to get a Costco card because thats the only big grocery store around where I live that might have it that I haven't already been too.

I naturally go low cals the day after the carb up because often I'm still kinda full and don't feel like I need the cals. I usually eat a lot of calories on the carb up though w/ about 30% from fat...because fat just makes everything taste better.

[CryingEmo]

Originally Posted by Botch

I need to get a Costco card because thats the only big grocery store around where I live that might have it that I haven't already been too.

I naturally go low cals the day after the carb up because often I'm still kinda full and don't feel like I need the cals. I usually eat a lot of calories on the carb up though w/ about 30% from fat...because fat just makes everything taste better.

I actually miss fat during carb ups.


My 12 hour carb up yielded 5000 calories.

Today I had around 2700.


My maintenance is somewhere around 3500. I also lifted today and did a small amount of cardio. I saved a ton of calories for PW. So I ate like 1800 today, then PWO I ate 900.

[TNASTYII]

nice to see you guys replied again haha. but seriously i always wondered if there was a milk with low carbs. ive even looked. idk if i have stores that would carry it. i dont have a Gaint store here. i have food lion, haris teeter, walmart, BI-LO thats around my house. ill look for it next time im at the store.
im stil feeling leaner this morning. which is good :]
my good friend from highschool(we grad. together) is coming over and we are gonna hit the gym in about a hour and 15 mins. im bout to go fix me a big breakfast like i always do. 5 jumbo eggs with 3 good size pieces of sausage. heck i might even throw some bacon in there. lol. going to do legs today and im sure is gonna be h3ll.

so you guys are saying 12 hour refeed. i thought it was supposed to be the whole weekend? sat and sun is carb up right? and can you eat as much as u like? or do you still have to watch calories? well hes comin over early so i gotta get get bfast lol.
thanks for ansering my questions

[CryingEmo]

Originally Posted by TNASTYII

nice to see you guys replied again haha. but seriously i always wondered if there was a milk with low carbs. ive even looked. idk if i have stores that would carry it. i dont have a Gaint store here. i have food lion, haris teeter, walmart, BI-LO thats around my house. ill look for it next time im at the store.
im stil feeling leaner this morning. which is good :]
my good friend from highschool(we grad. together) is coming over and we are gonna hit the gym in about a hour and 15 mins. im bout to go fix me a big breakfast like i always do. 5 jumbo eggs with 3 good size pieces of sausage. heck i might even throw some bacon in there. lol. going to do legs today and im sure is gonna be h3ll.

so you guys are saying 12 hour refeed. i thought it was supposed to be the whole weekend? sat and sun is carb up right? and can you eat as much as u like? or do you still have to watch calories? well hes comin over early so i gotta get get bfast lol.
thanks for ansering my questions

The lower bodyfat you are, the longer the refeed.

12 hour refeed is sufficient for myself. Anything more and it's counter-productive.

You don't eat as much as you like on carbups. You eat until your full, not until your stuffed or sick. Then you eat when your hungry again.



On low carb days you have to watch your cals if you want to cut. You can't eat 5K calories and expect to lose weight.

[Botch]

CryingEmo made a good point about the carb ups. I'm relatively low bodyfat right now and I find that a small carb spike on wednesday night plus a 12 hour carb up on saturday is just what I need. Any more than that and I start packing on fat. But I wouldn't recommend trying a carb spike midweek until you have had some experience with the diet (1-2 months at least) and you are absolutely dragging ass during the latter part of the week. I also get quite a bit of exercise and play in soccer games during the week so the extra carbs midweek are helpful.