[C0rk]

So, one of my favorite things to do (or used to, anyway) was to wake-up in the morning, go right to Dunkin' Donuts, and get a large coffee and a bagel sandwich. Now that I've put myself on a diet, that is a big no-no.

I'm trying to see, however, if there is a way to make this work, lol, so, using a spread-sheet, I calculated the calories for the fittest meal I could think of:

Low-carb Bagel, w/ Bacon, Egg, Cheese
Large coffee w/Splenda and a dash of cream

Breakdown: Carbs, 52g; Protein 31g; Fat 30g
Total Cals: ~600 cal

Now, since I'm trying out a 1800 cal diet, this is the equivalent of 2 of my 6 daily meals, with high-carb content. If I were to, then, decrease my carb-load substantially during the rest of the day (no carbs or veggies w/each meal) across my 4 remaining meals, I could make the breakdown work.

What could be the problems with this approach? Here are my thoughts:

- High saturated fat content
- Type of carbs may make GI of meal high

The latter is probably offset by the protein/fat content (coupled with Sesamin and Fish Oil supplement I would take along with it). The former, I'm not so sure what to do about it.

What do you think? Would this be something @ all possible to incorporate into a diet?

[Doug8796]

quit being a fat ass and eat better.. your body will thank you

[C0rk]

Hey Doug...thanks for the constructive comment! I'm sure your 70 other posts here, over the 3-month lifetime of your membership, were just as valuable as this one.

Perhaps, if you had at least an elementary school education in reading, you'd have noticed I'd said I'd already cut it out of my diet.

Please let me know if you have any more problems with comprehension!

[Big Dane]

I believe that one should not deprive themselves of "cheat" foods altogether. I would try this maybe once or twice a week, if the rest of your diet is good there should not be a problem. Might be good post work out with a protein shake.

[CryingEmo]

Originally Posted by C0rk

Hey Doug...thanks for the constructive comment! I'm sure your 70 other posts here, over the 3-month lifetime of your membership, were just as valuable as this one.

Perhaps, if you had at least an elementary school education in reading, you'd have noticed I'd said I'd already cut it out of my diet.

Please let me know if you have any more problems with comprehension!

As long as you are eating below maintenance level calories, it shouldn't matter. You may be more hungry later on though. If I were you, I'd fill up on low calorie vegetables as much as possible to fill the empty void in your stomach.


1800 calories looks awful low. If you're not a small guy, you'll most likely lose muscle going that low.

[C0rk]

Originally Posted by Big Dane

I believe that one should not deprive themselves of "cheat" foods altogether. I would try this maybe once or twice a week, if the rest of your diet is good there should not be a problem. Might be good post work out with a protein shake.

Yeah, I certainly wouldn't plan on doing this daily...I was just trying to figure out the best way to minimize the adverse effects of eating it.

PWO is a good idea...if you are going to spike your insulin more than usual, its better to do it after lifting so your body can go into rebuild/storage mode. That 30g+ fat would be killer though. Not to mention you'd lose the benefits of the caffeine in the coffee if you waited until after you trained.

[C0rk]

Originally Posted by CryingEmo

As long as you are eating below maintenance level calories, it shouldn't matter. You may be more hungry later on though. If I were you, I'd fill up on low calorie vegetables as much as possible to fill the empty void in your stomach.

Echoing Dane's sentiments, it sounds like I'd probably be better off asking what the best way to minimize a cheat meal, such as this's, adverse affects on nutrition rather than attempting to incorporate it into a diet.

1800 calories looks awful low. If you're not a small guy, you'll most likely lose muscle going that low.

Check out my log and see what you think:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/weigh...ugh-c0rks.html

[Rodja]

You could use turkey bacon and 2% cheese to lower the fat and kcal content.

[Highlanda01602]

Originally Posted by Rodja

You could use turkey bacon and 2% cheese to lower the fat and kcal content.

Somewhat on the lines of what I was thinking...

I too agree that you shouldn't kill yourself on any diet, and enjoy a cheat meal once every while. And trust me, I know what you mean about those bagel sandwiches. Freakin' amazing stuff... I was eating those last year wayyy too often. Finally went online and saw the fat content, and was at first really suprised. Explains the taste I suppose.. so good.

IMO, with you current 1800kcal diet, it's just not a good idea right now. My vote would be to have the meal at most once a week, on a workout day. Instead, like Rodja was writing, make an attempt to create a similiar taste at your place with your own *controlled* ingredients. After some practice, I'd bet you'd stop going to DD completely, in favor of your own bagel sandwiches.

[LilPsychotic]

Originally Posted by Big Dane

I believe that one should not deprive themselves of "cheat" foods altogether. I would try this maybe once or twice a week, if the rest of your diet is good there should not be a problem. Might be good post work out with a protein shake.

I eat clean 6 days a week, then eat whatever on Saturdays. Works well for me, but feel bloated and nasty on Sunday, when I'm usually 3-5 lbs heavier, damn pizza.

[Rodja]

Originally Posted by LilPsychotic

I eat clean 6 days a week, then eat whatever on Saturdays. Works well for me, but feel bloated and nasty on Sunday, when I'm usually 3-5 lbs heavier, damn pizza.

Cheat meals are VERY important from not a mental sense, but also a physical sense.

[Highlanda01602]

Originally Posted by Rodja

Cheat meals are VERY important from not a mental sense, but also a physical sense.

Some of my best workouts have come the day after a cheat meal(specifically running workouts)... I'd probably log that in the mental category, as I felt like I had an incredible amount of fat to use as fuel (weird feeling, I just felt rugged and ready to train). Had fried boneless chicken wings.... twas delicious.

[Big Dane]

Chicken breasts, tuna, eggs, salad, ect. all week, then pizza and doritos today. Ahhh...

[jmh80]

Originally Posted by LilPsychotic

I eat clean 6 days a week, then eat whatever on Saturdays. Works well for me, but feel bloated and nasty on Sunday, when I'm usually 3-5 lbs heavier, damn pizza.

That's the way to go. I cheat on my leg day - figure that's the most caloric expenditure I have.
(Just have to be careful that I don't hurl at the gym. )

[SFRANGER]

Originally Posted by LilPsychotic

I eat clean 6 days a week, then eat whatever on Saturdays. Works well for me, but feel bloated and nasty on Sunday, when I'm usually 3-5 lbs heavier, damn pizza.

I follow this also. It keeps me honest during the week knowing that I can eat something nasty on Saturday. I also gain a couple pounds of water weight and bloat over the weekend...but it works well for me and keeps me from going crazy during the week. The plus side to this is that combined with p-slin, my weekend workouts are freakin' awesome.