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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Neil5585 View Post

    I don't care if he wasn't the originator of the diet. .
    You should, since it was you who erroneously claimed he developed the anabolic diet with Mauro Di Pasquale.

    You've been back peddling and subject changing ever since, and it's quite pathetic.

    This thread was titled using the ANABOLIC DIET. Which happens to be the title of Dr Di Pasquales book.

    It isn't titled CKD help. If it were, your reference to Vince would have been relevant, so stop trying to cover for your incorrect claim that the anabolic/metabolic diet/solution was a collaboration between Di Pasquale and Poliquin, which was the only reason you kept waving his name like a banner in all of your posts.

    You were wrong. It happens. Get over it.

    As was I, I might add. I thought this thread was about the book listed in the title. Anyone needing help with that book hit me up.


  2. Ummm, I could still use a little help. OK, so, technically, I'm on the "Metabolic Diet" apparently. I did everything textbook for awhile. Only thing, I started at X 15 instead of X 18.(5000+ cals was obscene). Even at 4500 cals, I still gained 5 lbs out of the gate. As I read in the book, the induction phase is bw X 18 for 2 weeks, followed by either cutting or bulking. I dropped 500 cals/week until I came to BW X 12. I don't remeber reading anything abuot dropping 500 cals/week until you find the sweet spot. I was under the impression the cals would be adjusted as the weight changed. I thought I read it carefully, I think I'm going to pick it up again, beacuse now I'm unsure. Anyway, I think something has kicked in, pants are looser. Strength was a touch off today, but, not as much rest between sets as I usually take. So, that's where I am now. If you see anything askew, feel free.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by mmorpheuss View Post
    You should, since it was you who erroneously claimed he developed the anabolic diet with Mauro Di Pasquale.

    You've been back peddling and subject changing ever since, and it's quite pathetic.

    This thread was titled using the ANABOLIC DIET. Which happens to be the title of Dr Di Pasquales book.

    It isn't titled CKD help. If it were, your reference to Vince would have been relevant, so stop trying to cover for your incorrect claim that the anabolic/metabolic diet/solution was a collaboration between Di Pasquale and Poliquin, which was the only reason you kept waving his name like a banner in all of your posts.

    You were wrong. It happens. Get over it.

    As was I, I might add. I thought this thread was about the book listed in the title. Anyone needing help with that book hit me up.

    First off I (and I'm sure everyone else) appreciate your posts that don't contain any content aside from idiotic insults and straw man debate tactics. That's impressive to high school kids.

    Oh and it's nice that you put up copyrited material for people to download. What a class act.

    "However what I was considering is that DiPasquale worked with Poliquin to come up with a diet, and it ends up when you're heavier, there's no PWO carbs, and just ONE cheat meal per week."

    I never said Poliquin helped DiPasquale with the Anabolic Diet (straw man tactic...idiot). I said Poliquin worked with DiPasquale to come up with the version POLIQUIN uses that produces results, which you like to brush off and just insult me instead.

    Oh! And scotty isn't even on the original Anabolic Diet! Wow, all that harping on THE ANABOLIC DIET for no ****ing reason. I'm trying to help the guy but instead you keep harping on sticking to the ANABOLIC DIET when the guy requesting help isn't even following that exact diet! Sheesh, what an idiot. I'm done with this thread.




    And sorry, scotty. Sounds good if you're making progress again. Keep going with it until it stops, then maybe something can be changed. Keep things simple.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Neil5585 View Post
    I never said Poliquin helped DiPasquale with the Anabolic Diet (straw man tactic...idiot). I said Poliquin worked with DiPasquale to come up with the version POLIQUIN uses that produces results, which you like to brush off and just insult me instead.
    Actually you said this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Neil5585 View Post

    Poliquin and DiPasquale came up with this.
    What is "this"?

    It sure isn't the title of this thread.

    It isn't the actual book being discussed either.

    So it's the one in your head? Was I supposed to know that? Are you honestly blaming me for your inability to be succinct?

    Don't falsely accuse me of insulting you just because you feel insulted. I attack the post, not the poster. You just happen to be on a roll right now.

    By the way. I linked to a website, Mister "class act".

    You get bent out of shape like this every time someone links to youtube?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Neil5585 View Post
    I'm trying to help the guy
    By dropping him to 2000 cals and a 30 min carb load per week? Lessening the carb load time is specifically for those who tend to start laying down bodyfat faster during the carb up phase. I haven't read anything that has led me to believe that is what is occurring here. You just happened to jump the gun, thats all.

    Bottom line is the original anabolic/metabolic diet and the anabolic solution... it's basically the same diet. I tried to help with a specific diet whereas you tried to help by telling the guy to change diets. That was smart.

    Do you even own the book you are talking about? Do you own the one Scotty is talking about? Or its bodybuilder oriented cousin? (which I do)

    Or are you freestyling to the tune of a book you have limited experience with?

    Exactly.

    Typing Poliquin's name doesn't make up for your lack of extensive personal experience with the topic.

    Pretending to have it...now thats a REAL class act right there.

    Scotty -I'll hit you up. My apologies for hijacking the thread.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by scotty2 View Post
    Ummm, I could still use a little help. OK, so, technically, I'm on the "Metabolic Diet" apparently. I did everything textbook for awhile. Only thing, I started at X 15 instead of X 18.(5000+ cals was obscene).
    This may be to blame for the slow response. Metabolism is a funny thing. By limiting the calories at the start your body is in a sense dieting. Until it adjust to that intake it is going to fight to hold on to what it already has by slowing down the metabolism. If you are starting to see results stick to the book, it is working.
    You want to see slow steady results and then make adjustments when they stop. One problem a lot of people have with dieting is they make adjustments too fast and have their metabolism all out of whack. Plus drastic changes too fast are going to cause you to lose an increased amount of muscle, therefor slowing your metabolism down and requiring more reductions in calories and starting the viscious cycle that just keeps going.
    Good luck with the diet!

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Neil5585 View Post
    Poliquin uses one cheat meal to get fat people lean. He uses it because it produces RESULTS, and RESULTS better than doing 2 cheat days. Maybe you're in denial about that. He goes off of RESULTS based on his EXPERIENCE working with athletes, bodybuilders, and even more regular types.
    I may be wrong, and I dont want to get into a pissing match, but is it an actual cheat day or a carb up?
    Also keep in mind that Poliquin is working with people on an individual basis. I addition to working their diet they also have user specific routines. That is something you will never get out of a book.

  8. Quick update......Strength has pretty much stayed static. Pretty close to zero loss in strength I would say. weight has come down to about 270-272 somewhere in there. Waist has come down 5". Slow as sh1t, but results are there. Guess I'll just stay on as long as necessary. Calories are all the way down to 2200/day. Carb-ups are only one day(12-14 hours)

  9. Another update for anyone interested. Well, 8 months is a long time. I'm down to 250. 8" off the waist. Caloric intake down to 1900/day. Changed my workout over to a more hypertrophy focused routine, so, can't say for certain about the strength loss, but, I would say it's minimal. Started recreate/DCP stack on Monday. If anyone is interested in the results, I'd be more than happy to post. Anyway, this diet DOES work, just not used to being on a diet this long. This week is week 36, lost 41lbs. So, I guess I'm right on track. If no further interest, I'll post my end results with a pic perhaps.

  10. WoW - sick results and congrats!!!!

  11. Yes, very nice results!

  12. Hey Scotty, hope you don't mind that I quoted you over in this thread where we have been discussing the anabolic diet recently. I think people will be interested in reading about your results.

    CK/Anabolic Diet mega thread

  13. no prob, even posted an addendum

  14. OK, through 38 weeks. Down to 246. About 9" in waist. Here is my daily supplementation:

    Recreate X3
    DCP X7
    Primordial CLA EE X8
    NP fish oil X10
    (adding NP green tea when I receieve it) X3

    comments and/or suggestions

  15. Good job so far. You should be congratulated for your vigilance.

    I know it seems odd to be on a diet for as long as you have, however, the best results are achieved when eating like this turns into a lifestyle rather than a short-term diet.

    Once you get down to something you are comfortable with, I hope you continue to update us with your results bulking with this diet.

    IMO, that is when this program begins to border on the miraculous.

  16. As of 10/25(41 weeks) down to 240.5 and just about 10" on waist. Strength has taken a hit. Trying to rationalize that mentally as just a leverage thing from having lost 50lbs. I'm a little discouraged by the supplementation, all those supps and the fat loss is not really much faster than without it. Really just looking forward to getting done with this so I can shift focus to putting some back on.

  17. I don't have the metabolism for a low carb diet to work. I burn of so much I need a high carb diet.


  18. Quote Originally Posted by steelhorse View Post
    I don't have the metabolism for a low carb diet to work. I burn of so much I need a high carb diet.

    Burn of so much what?

  19. I'm about to start week 52 of this journey. For the record, there has been no cheating(some crappy carb-ups indeed). Went on vacation twice over the duration of the diet(planned non dieting not cheating). My last vacation in early November for 12 days of no dieting saw me gain 22lbs.(roughly 17lbs. of water). Anyway, took me nearly 8 weeks to get back to where I was prior to vacation. This diet is puzzling like that sometimes. I've come all the way down to 1600 ca;s/day average. Still, no real effect on strength. However, scale and/or tape not really responding, or responding very slowly. Started HIIT couple weeks ago, seems to be making a difference. I'm open for comments/suggestions. Just trying to see this thing through. BTW, down to 236 now, 11" on waist.

  20. Forgot all about this thread, figured I would update, for anyone still interested. Still on the diet, still at 1600 /day. My % of fat consumed has come down to about 29%. Down to 213 as of last Friday morning. Tape has me at about 14.5" down in the waist. Strength has still maintained believe it or not. Think I'm in the homestretch here, vascularity has increased. Starting eviscerate with flawless to draw out the bottom 2 abs.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by scotty2 View Post
    Forgot all about this thread, figured I would update, for anyone still interested. Still on the diet, still at 1600 /day. My % of fat consumed has come down to about 29%. Down to 213 as of last Friday morning. Tape has me at about 14.5" down in the waist. Strength has still maintained believe it or not. Think I'm in the homestretch here, vascularity has increased. Starting eviscerate with flawless to draw out the bottom 2 abs.
    Good job! How many total pounds have you lost? I'm glad you stuck with it since most people wouldn't have that much discipline. Also what is your target weight goal? At some point, you are going to have to help your body maintain that. I don't know if you will be able to maintain on 1600 cals a day forever. When you start to add them back after reaching your goal, make sure you do it slowly. 200 or 300 a day for couple weeks, then 200 more for a couple weeks. If you go back to "normal" eating you will rebound too hard, like on your vacation. Your body will adapt to staying the lower weight and you should be able to stay lighter permanantly.

  22. Lost over 80lbs. No real weight goal, just trying to rid myself of this last bit of fat. I agree with you, my plan for bulking is to add ony a couple hundred cals/week until the goal is reached. First thing is to reinstate the 2 day carb up before anything else.
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    That's incredible mate Good job. Make sure you let everyone know how your flawless run goes in the contest prep section, there's a load of us wanting feedback on that product for stretchmark treatment. Thanks boss.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by scotty2 View Post
    Forgot all about this thread, figured I would update, for anyone still interested. Still on the diet, still at 1600 /day. My % of fat consumed has come down to about 29%. Down to 213 as of last Friday morning. Tape has me at about 14.5" down in the waist. Strength has still maintained believe it or not. Think I'm in the homestretch here, vascularity has increased. Starting eviscerate with flawless to draw out the bottom 2 abs.
    You said you're down to 1600/day - are you doing any calorie shifting throughout the week or just keeping it at 1600 a day period? Maybe the calorie shifting throughout the week could help along with a mix of the HIIT and increased NEAT?

  25. Calories are cycled and average out to 1600/day. My carb day can go as high as 4000 cals. So, if you factor in that day.........you could say I average close to 2000 cals/day. I've dropped under 210(about 209.5), so, I have cut my cardio back just a bit, as I am beginning to look leaner. This eviscerate may actually be working. I also just started taking LIPO 6 BLACK on monday. We'll see.
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