anabolic diet confusion

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  1. Your thread title led me to believe we were talking about this:

    The Anabolic Diet
    Last edited by mmorpheuss; 04-23-2008 at 08:16 AM.


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  3. Quote Originally Posted by mmorpheuss View Post
    Your thread title led me to believe we were talking about this:
    I don't think it's proper to post copywrited material like that.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by scotty2 View Post
    Tells me there was an error, file cannot be found.

    try it now

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Neil5585 View Post
    mmorpheuss, yeah, what I was talking about is different from the original Anabolic Diet. However what I was considering is that DiPasquale worked with Poliquin to come up with a diet, and it ends up when you're heavier, there's no PWO carbs, and just ONE cheat meal per week. That's awfully similar to Polumbo's diet, too. Also the calories I was taking into consideration DiPasquale's Radical Diet which dips much lower in calories (fat).

    But if we're going to stick to the original Anabolic Diet hardcore, then nevermind. I just figured that DiPasquale has made changes depending on different variables since then.
    By heavier you mean bodyfat% and not just weight, right?

    Both the metabolic diet and the radical diet were not intended for bodybuilders or powerlifters. Definitely not for guys that reach for the 145's when they need to do arnold presses.

    The anabolic diet and recently anabolic solution are geared towards us.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by mmorpheuss View Post
    Definitely not for guys that reach for the 145's when they need to do arnold presses.

    The anabolic diet and recently anabolic solution are geared towards us.

    125s I was under the impression that there was little to distinguish The Metabolic Diet from what is written in The Anabolic Solution. If so, I guess I have to purchase that now as well.

  7. Someone that's very fat and looking to drop the fat is going to do better with one cheat meal a week. That's what I thought this thread was about...trying to lose a good amount of fat. Not trying to press 145's.

    Poliquin and DiPasquale came up with this. Dave Polumbo also uses this with competitive bodybuilders to diet down into contest shape (i.e. lose a lot of fat and retain muscle). If the two carb days worked better in this situation, they would use it, but they don't.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Neil5585 View Post
    Someone that's very fat and looking to drop the fat is going to do better with one cheat meal a week. That's what I thought this thread was about...trying to lose a good amount of fat. Not trying to press 145's.

    Poliquin and DiPasquale came up with this. Dave Polumbo also uses this with competitive bodybuilders to diet down into contest shape (i.e. lose a lot of fat and retain muscle). If the two carb days worked better in this situation, they would use it, but they don't.

    From Di Pasquale himself- The Metabolic diet was never meant for athletes and bodybuilders. Before the anabolic solution they were still using the anabolic diet.

    My allusion to his strength was meant to illustrate that we are dealing with an athlete here, not a stay at home mom or a college kid trying to work off the hohos he had in high school.

    As for the topic of this thread, it struck me that the topic of this thread was help with a specific diet. The anabolic diet, in particular, due to it's being the title?
    Last edited by mmorpheuss; 04-23-2008 at 09:34 PM.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by mmorpheuss View Post
    My allusion to his strength was meant to illustrate that we are dealing with an athlete here, not a stay at home mom or a college kid trying to work off the hohos he had in high school.

    Because Poliquin doesn't work with athletes.....

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Neil5585 View Post
    Because Poliquin doesn't work with athletes.....
    No...
    Quote Originally Posted by Neil5585 View Post
    because the diets I keep alluding to weren't meant to be athlete specific.
    Now thats better.

    And lose the Poliquin stuff. This isn't a thread about exercise physiology or strength training.
    If anything the revisions made to the original Anabolic Diet should be credited to Rob ***in. Not that you would know that.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by Neil5585 View Post
    Someone that's very fat and looking to drop the fat is going to do better with one cheat meal a week.
    Not necessarily. The "cheat meals", as you call them, aren't just there to "cheat" with. Plenty of people will get diminished results with such a short carb load only once per week, and bodyfat percentage isn't the controlling factor in this determination.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neil5585 View Post
    Poliquin and DiPasquale came up with this.
    Wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Neil5585 View Post
    Dave Polumbo also uses this with competitive bodybuilders to diet down into contest shape
    He also uses IGF-1 and various other goodies. Quite the contrast to what Di Pasquale is even all about. Isn't it?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by scotty2 View Post
    If so, I guess I have to purchase that now as well.
    I don't believe so.
    There are alot of whole pages from the anabolic diet (original) that are simply regurgitated into the Solution redo. What you have in conjunction with the Anabolic Diet should suffice, as well as make some things easier to understand in light of viewing certain theories in their original form.

  13. I'll tend to listen to people like Poliquin and Palumbo on this issue instead of some no-name on the internet. They have tons of experience...Poliquin with athletes as well as bodybuilders, and Palumbo with bodybuilders (and ones not loaded up on drugs, too).

    No duh the cheat meal is used for more than the sake of cheating. But I guess you're smarter than Poliquin and have more experience as well as better results than him with getting athletes and bodybuilders in shape.

  14. are we talking about training or Di Pasquales diet?

    Make up your mind, and lets get back on track (remember the thread title?)Poliquin didn't develop this diet. He didn't help with the original either. So if you are talking about the anabolic diet dropping his name or palumbo's is useless.

    Even if it is used by 200 lb'ers to give 300 pound guys half-step advice.

  15. When was I ever talking about training? This thread has become a useless pissing match.

    Poliquin uses one cheat meal to get fat people lean. He uses it because it produces RESULTS, and RESULTS better than doing 2 cheat days. Maybe you're in denial about that. He goes off of RESULTS based on his EXPERIENCE working with athletes, bodybuilders, and even more regular types.

    I don't care if he wasn't the originator of the diet. Guess what! Vince Gironda was using this even before DiPasquale, so you dropping DiPasquale's name is useless (like that makes sense...it's a sarcastic analogy).

    Even with the original Anabolic Diet it wasn't even set in stone to do 2 days. He said to experiment based on results. Some guys might do 2 days, some guys less than 1 day. And you know what, based on the RESULTS Poliquin has determined fat guys should limit it to 1 cheat MEAL every 5-7 days for RESULTS when it comes to losing FAT.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Neil5585 View Post

    I don't care if he wasn't the originator of the diet. .
    You should, since it was you who erroneously claimed he developed the anabolic diet with Mauro Di Pasquale.

    You've been back peddling and subject changing ever since, and it's quite pathetic.

    This thread was titled using the ANABOLIC DIET. Which happens to be the title of Dr Di Pasquales book.

    It isn't titled CKD help. If it were, your reference to Vince would have been relevant, so stop trying to cover for your incorrect claim that the anabolic/metabolic diet/solution was a collaboration between Di Pasquale and Poliquin, which was the only reason you kept waving his name like a banner in all of your posts.

    You were wrong. It happens. Get over it.

    As was I, I might add. I thought this thread was about the book listed in the title. Anyone needing help with that book hit me up.

  17. Ummm, I could still use a little help. OK, so, technically, I'm on the "Metabolic Diet" apparently. I did everything textbook for awhile. Only thing, I started at X 15 instead of X 18.(5000+ cals was obscene). Even at 4500 cals, I still gained 5 lbs out of the gate. As I read in the book, the induction phase is bw X 18 for 2 weeks, followed by either cutting or bulking. I dropped 500 cals/week until I came to BW X 12. I don't remeber reading anything abuot dropping 500 cals/week until you find the sweet spot. I was under the impression the cals would be adjusted as the weight changed. I thought I read it carefully, I think I'm going to pick it up again, beacuse now I'm unsure. Anyway, I think something has kicked in, pants are looser. Strength was a touch off today, but, not as much rest between sets as I usually take. So, that's where I am now. If you see anything askew, feel free.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by mmorpheuss View Post
    You should, since it was you who erroneously claimed he developed the anabolic diet with Mauro Di Pasquale.

    You've been back peddling and subject changing ever since, and it's quite pathetic.

    This thread was titled using the ANABOLIC DIET. Which happens to be the title of Dr Di Pasquales book.

    It isn't titled CKD help. If it were, your reference to Vince would have been relevant, so stop trying to cover for your incorrect claim that the anabolic/metabolic diet/solution was a collaboration between Di Pasquale and Poliquin, which was the only reason you kept waving his name like a banner in all of your posts.

    You were wrong. It happens. Get over it.

    As was I, I might add. I thought this thread was about the book listed in the title. Anyone needing help with that book hit me up.

    First off I (and I'm sure everyone else) appreciate your posts that don't contain any content aside from idiotic insults and straw man debate tactics. That's impressive to high school kids.

    Oh and it's nice that you put up copyrited material for people to download. What a class act.

    "However what I was considering is that DiPasquale worked with Poliquin to come up with a diet, and it ends up when you're heavier, there's no PWO carbs, and just ONE cheat meal per week."

    I never said Poliquin helped DiPasquale with the Anabolic Diet (straw man tactic...idiot). I said Poliquin worked with DiPasquale to come up with the version POLIQUIN uses that produces results, which you like to brush off and just insult me instead.

    Oh! And scotty isn't even on the original Anabolic Diet! Wow, all that harping on THE ANABOLIC DIET for no ****ing reason. I'm trying to help the guy but instead you keep harping on sticking to the ANABOLIC DIET when the guy requesting help isn't even following that exact diet! Sheesh, what an idiot. I'm done with this thread.




    And sorry, scotty. Sounds good if you're making progress again. Keep going with it until it stops, then maybe something can be changed. Keep things simple.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Neil5585 View Post
    I never said Poliquin helped DiPasquale with the Anabolic Diet (straw man tactic...idiot). I said Poliquin worked with DiPasquale to come up with the version POLIQUIN uses that produces results, which you like to brush off and just insult me instead.
    Actually you said this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Neil5585 View Post

    Poliquin and DiPasquale came up with this.
    What is "this"?

    It sure isn't the title of this thread.

    It isn't the actual book being discussed either.

    So it's the one in your head? Was I supposed to know that? Are you honestly blaming me for your inability to be succinct?

    Don't falsely accuse me of insulting you just because you feel insulted. I attack the post, not the poster. You just happen to be on a roll right now.

    By the way. I linked to a website, Mister "class act".

    You get bent out of shape like this every time someone links to youtube?

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Neil5585 View Post
    I'm trying to help the guy
    By dropping him to 2000 cals and a 30 min carb load per week? Lessening the carb load time is specifically for those who tend to start laying down bodyfat faster during the carb up phase. I haven't read anything that has led me to believe that is what is occurring here. You just happened to jump the gun, thats all.

    Bottom line is the original anabolic/metabolic diet and the anabolic solution... it's basically the same diet. I tried to help with a specific diet whereas you tried to help by telling the guy to change diets. That was smart.

    Do you even own the book you are talking about? Do you own the one Scotty is talking about? Or its bodybuilder oriented cousin? (which I do)

    Or are you freestyling to the tune of a book you have limited experience with?

    Exactly.

    Typing Poliquin's name doesn't make up for your lack of extensive personal experience with the topic.

    Pretending to have it...now thats a REAL class act right there.

    Scotty -I'll hit you up. My apologies for hijacking the thread.
    Last edited by mmorpheuss; 04-24-2008 at 09:41 AM.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by scotty2 View Post
    Ummm, I could still use a little help. OK, so, technically, I'm on the "Metabolic Diet" apparently. I did everything textbook for awhile. Only thing, I started at X 15 instead of X 18.(5000+ cals was obscene).
    This may be to blame for the slow response. Metabolism is a funny thing. By limiting the calories at the start your body is in a sense dieting. Until it adjust to that intake it is going to fight to hold on to what it already has by slowing down the metabolism. If you are starting to see results stick to the book, it is working.
    You want to see slow steady results and then make adjustments when they stop. One problem a lot of people have with dieting is they make adjustments too fast and have their metabolism all out of whack. Plus drastic changes too fast are going to cause you to lose an increased amount of muscle, therefor slowing your metabolism down and requiring more reductions in calories and starting the viscious cycle that just keeps going.
    Good luck with the diet!

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Neil5585 View Post
    Poliquin uses one cheat meal to get fat people lean. He uses it because it produces RESULTS, and RESULTS better than doing 2 cheat days. Maybe you're in denial about that. He goes off of RESULTS based on his EXPERIENCE working with athletes, bodybuilders, and even more regular types.
    I may be wrong, and I dont want to get into a pissing match, but is it an actual cheat day or a carb up?
    Also keep in mind that Poliquin is working with people on an individual basis. I addition to working their diet they also have user specific routines. That is something you will never get out of a book.

  23. Quick update......Strength has pretty much stayed static. Pretty close to zero loss in strength I would say. weight has come down to about 270-272 somewhere in there. Waist has come down 5". Slow as sh1t, but results are there. Guess I'll just stay on as long as necessary. Calories are all the way down to 2200/day. Carb-ups are only one day(12-14 hours)

  24. Another update for anyone interested. Well, 8 months is a long time. I'm down to 250. 8" off the waist. Caloric intake down to 1900/day. Changed my workout over to a more hypertrophy focused routine, so, can't say for certain about the strength loss, but, I would say it's minimal. Started recreate/DCP stack on Monday. If anyone is interested in the results, I'd be more than happy to post. Anyway, this diet DOES work, just not used to being on a diet this long. This week is week 36, lost 41lbs. So, I guess I'm right on track. If no further interest, I'll post my end results with a pic perhaps.

  25. WoW - sick results and congrats!!!!

  26. Yes, very nice results!

  27. Hey Scotty, hope you don't mind that I quoted you over in this thread where we have been discussing the anabolic diet recently. I think people will be interested in reading about your results.

    CK/Anabolic Diet mega thread

  28. no prob, even posted an addendum

  29. OK, through 38 weeks. Down to 246. About 9" in waist. Here is my daily supplementation:

    Recreate X3
    DCP X7
    Primordial CLA EE X8
    NP fish oil X10
    (adding NP green tea when I receieve it) X3

    comments and/or suggestions

  30. Good job so far. You should be congratulated for your vigilance.

    I know it seems odd to be on a diet for as long as you have, however, the best results are achieved when eating like this turns into a lifestyle rather than a short-term diet.

    Once you get down to something you are comfortable with, I hope you continue to update us with your results bulking with this diet.

    IMO, that is when this program begins to border on the miraculous.
  

  
 

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