Body Dismorphia Part I

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  1. Body Dismorphia Part I





    So... yeah. My biceps are way smaller on a camera than they are in my head. I guess it's usually the other way around.

    Anyway, couple of quick questions...

    I'm 6'2, 220 lbs, been training for about 3 years now. (Up from about 135 lbs 3 years ago)

    So, considering I was 135, I look great... but leaving that out, I am really not happy with how things are going... I don't have nearly the mass I want, and I have way too much fat. That's the background.

    Now for the questions

    1.) Anybody got a good guesstimate of bodyfat? I'm guessing between 16 and 20%. Last time I got it measured it was around 16 but I think I have put on a few pounds since then.

    2.) Pardon my poor artwork - but to get my body in the shape I've drawn in there, how much fat do I need to lose, and how much mass do I need to add on?

    3.) Can somebody out there please tell me they have these same issues when they look at pics of themselves?

    Looks like I need to do some serious modification of my diet and routine :-/ I guess its good that I have put on 85 pounds in 3 years, but at least 20 of it is in the wrong places, meaning fat. Guess I just got to be patient and keep working at it.

    Any input anybody has will be somewhat appreciated lol... but keep it fairly polite, i have a long memory


  2. Yeah, dude, your not alone. Your BF% is just really high. The muscle is there, you just can't see it.
    I went through the same deal. I bulked like crazy and got really strong...and pretty fat, 5' 10" at 209. I was really strong but hated how I looked except for those times when I was in the gym and pumped up and heaving the heavy weights.
    With diet and adding in cardio I dropped down to about 183. Although I'm physically smaller, visually I look BIGGER because now you can see a little muscle seperation, lots of veins and a pretty good v-taper. I'm much happier with how I look now all the time not just when I'm at the gym. Friends and family always are saying how much bigger I got but it's funny cause I actually got smaller.

    Don't anybody make this guy feel bad, it takes balls to post up your pics like this. You might want to post this in the weight loss forum though.
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  3. Not trying to be an ass, but your BF% is closer to 20 than it is to 16. If I were you I would do a recomp. Lose Fat, but at the same time build muscle. I would think after that you would be in a good range BF%. Prolly around 210lbs. Search around for recomp logs and steal some ideas from people in your situation. Good luck bro.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Aggravated View Post
    Not trying to be an ass, but your BF% is closer to 20 than it is to 16. If I were you I would do a recomp. Lose Fat, but at the same time build muscle. I would think after that you would be in a good range BF%. Prolly around 210lbs. Search around for recomp logs and steal some ideas from people in your situation. Good luck bro.
    Thanks man. You guys gotta understand its a really weird position for me to be in; I had gotten sick a few years ago and I was down to like 135, but probly 3-5% body fat. I could see the separation between my two biceps even. My whole life, I have been underweight by at least 30 or 40 pounds, and I could eat a whole pizza and it wouldn't stick. Now, I'm 29 and it's a bit of a different scenario

    20% sounds like something I can deal with still. I'd like to be 215-225 and about 8% bodyfat.

    I posted in this forum rather than weight loss, because I am contemplating my first cycle. Would it be out of line to do an HGH cycle or a cutting cycle as a first cycle?

  5. I don't think a cutter would be out of line. But lose as much as you can naturally by tweaking your diet and work outs first. You could drop 10 pounds of that pretty quick by just tweaking your carb intake.
    Once you plateau there, then try some of the otc stuff, like Leviathan or Lev. R.
    Once you've plateaud with the OTC stuff then consider the "other" things but don't even think about GH at this point.

    Progressively add in regimens and ergogens as you master their application/use and reach the point of diminishing returns, Then move onto the next stage.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by azr101 View Post
    I don't think a cutter would be out of line. But lose as much as you can naturally by tweaking your diet and work outs first. You could drop 10 pounds of that pretty quick by just tweaking your carb intake.
    Once you plateau there, then try some of the otc stuff, like Leviathan or Lev. R.
    Once you've plateaud with the OTC stuff then consider the "other" things but don't even think about GH at this point.

    Progressively add in regimens and ergogens as you master their application/use and reach the point of diminishing returns, Then move onto the next stage.
    This is sound advice. You could also do both mine, and azr's suggestions. Recomp, then cut. This way you are more solid/full when you lean out. Up to you though. In any case, you will have to make dramatic changes to your diet in order to achieve your goals. Comfortably I can say that your diet makes up about 85% of your success. Supps are really just icing on the cake.

  7. Appreciate all the input guys. I have spent the last two weeks working on my diet trying to get it in line. I read the Abs Diet by the editor of muscle and fitness. Decent book. Not sure if I'll use all the principles in it, but it definitely had a lot of good nutrition information. I think my biggest sins are not enough meals and too large portions.. instead of 5-6 smaller meals its usually 2-3 big ones.

    What precisely is a recomp, is it a cycle, or what? Something tells me when I do a search for recomp I'm going to get 1,024 different results.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by PhilABowl View Post
    Appreciate all the input guys. I have spent the last two weeks working on my diet trying to get it in line. I read the Abs Diet by the editor of muscle and fitness. Decent book. Not sure if I'll use all the principles in it, but it definitely had a lot of good nutrition information. I think my biggest sins are not enough meals and too large portions.. instead of 5-6 smaller meals its usually 2-3 big ones.

    What precisely is a recomp, is it a cycle, or what? Something tells me when I do a search for recomp I'm going to get 1,024 different results.
    A recomp is a stage in dieting/supplementation where you basically try to lose fat, but stay at roughly the same weight. Basically, all you want to lower is your bf% significantly, while trying not to lose too much weight.

    Basically a "Recomposition".

    Since your bf is a little higher than some others, then you may stand to lose a larger amount of weight vs. someone that is 13-15% bf.

    Understand?

  9. My advice would be get your diet in order and the fat will come off. No excuses. You had to do a lot of work (eating crappy food) to get to 20% bf and you'll have to do a lot of work to undo the damage. Get off your ass and follow a strict diet and training program for 3-4 months. Once your bodyfat is at an acceptable level then you can consider a cycle to gain the mass that you want. And not to be a downer, but it seems that you will need years of training before you will resemble that silly drawing.

  10. You may also see a few lb loss if you were to switch your number of daily meals from 3 to 6. It will keep metabolism running fast.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Botch View Post
    My advice would be get your diet in order and the fat will come off. No excuses. You had to do a lot of work (eating crappy food) to get to 20% bf and you'll have to do a lot of work to undo the damage. Get off your ass and follow a strict diet and training program for 3-4 months. Once your bodyfat is at an acceptable level then you can consider a cycle to gain the mass that you want. And not to be a downer, but it seems that you will need years of training before you will resemble that silly drawing.
    All truths. If I gave the impression I thought this would happen overnight, it's a mistake I'm not interested in getting that big next month, just eventually. I know 1 cycle isn't gonna get me there.

    Thanks for the input guys. By those definitions I started a "recomp" about two weeks ago. Unfortunately part of that recomp involved adding squats in my regimen that I don't usually do, and f*cked up my lower back so that put me out of the running this week. Same as poops log, gotta remember to give my body time to catch up

    I have been slacking on working my legs - I am fine with the size and strength of them, as I have done things like martial arts, etc. I have never really had to do much to keep them in shape, but I have been learning how much of a role things like squats and deadlifts play in hormone secretion and increasing your metabolism so I started adding that in. I also have added in cardio several days a week, ranging from brisk walks outside to cardio machine work.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Botch View Post
    My advice would be get your diet in order and the fat will come off. No excuses. You had to do a lot of work (eating crappy food) to get to 20% bf and you'll have to do a lot of work to undo the damage. Get off your ass and follow a strict diet and training program for 3-4 months. Once your bodyfat is at an acceptable level then you can consider a cycle to gain the mass that you want. And not to be a downer, but it seems that you will need years of training before you will resemble that silly drawing.
    What would you consider an acceptable level?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Aggravated View Post
    What would you consider an acceptable level?
    When I can clearly see my liver and kidneys through the skin lol.

    I want to be able to have a nice stomach again. My girl is kind enough to lie and say she doesn't care about abs, but I'm sure if I had them she'd care more

  14. Quote Originally Posted by PhilABowl View Post
    All truths. If I gave the impression I thought this would happen overnight, it's a mistake I'm not interested in getting that big next month, just eventually. I know 1 cycle isn't gonna get me there.

    Thanks for the input guys. By those definitions I started a "recomp" about two weeks ago. Unfortunately part of that recomp involved adding squats in my regimen that I don't usually do, and f*cked up my lower back so that put me out of the running this week. Same as poops log, gotta remember to give my body time to catch up

    I have been slacking on working my legs - I am fine with the size and strength of them, as I have done things like martial arts, etc. I have never really had to do much to keep them in shape, but I have been learning how much of a role things like squats and deadlifts play in hormone secretion and increasing your metabolism so I started adding that in. I also have added in cardio several days a week, ranging from brisk walks outside to cardio machine work.
    The studies of hormonal secretion from movements like that is kinda vague. Some believe it, some don't. As for the movement though. Stay light in weight and high in reps. Will serve you some good after all this time. If your back is that sensitive, stay away from the free weights for a while. Also try to avoid some exercises where you are forced to hang over top of the weight (like barbell rows) etc.. To strengthen it up you could do some "Good Mornings" with light-moderate weight.

  15. I know for all you "hardcore" guys they are probably considered worthless supplements, but, since I already have them on hand, I was contemplating running DecaVol for 3 weeks followed by Novedex for 3-4 weeks. I like decavol because its a deca precursor and i think it will help build my strength up, and novedex xt, while not a prescription AI, im not on anything "heavy" so I think it will do well enough. Plus, with the amount of fat storage I have, anything that will reduce estrogen can't hurt.

    Any strong opinions one way or another?

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Aggravated View Post
    What would you consider an acceptable level?
    Thats up to the person to decide. I wouldn't give you a ballpark % of bf because I don't think the number is all that important. The mirror will tell when you are at an acceptable level.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Botch View Post
    Thats up to the person to decide. I wouldn't give you a ballpark % of bf because I don't think the number is all that important. The mirror will tell when you are at an acceptable level.
    I'm inclined to agree with you. What is a typical day in your diet, as far as content, and more importantly, quantity of portions, if you are willing to share? Your body fat level is "slightly lower" than mine
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    Bro, I used to be the same way (well kind of). Four years ago when I got back into bodybuilding I weighed a pathetic 160lbs at around 6ft tall. So naturally I lifted heavy and ate like a bear for the next 3-4 years. Needless to say it worked well, maybe to well. I Bulked up to around 200-205lbs (which still wasn't huge for my frame) but a lot of that was due to my increased bf (around 13%).
    So I changed the way I ate (mainly the amounts) drastically as well as adding in cardio 4 times a week and changed my whole workout routine from a 5-6 day split were I worked each muscle individually, to a 3 a week full body circuit training routine. My body responded almost instantly within the next 3-4 months I got my bf down to 6%. NO SH!T!!!!
    I know you'll hear it all the time but eating 6-8 small, high protein, low carb meals will really turn your body into a fcuking inferno. Also stay away from soda and beer because as we all know that sh!t is pure sugar. If you drink 3-4 12 ounce cans of soda a day that ends up as an extra 600-900 calories from sugar a day that's stored as fat. Over the course of weeks, months, years that gets fcuking ridicules. And that's just eliminating one simple item from your diet. You can reach your goals (and NATURALY) just sit down, do the math come up with a good diet (STICK TO IT) and change up your routine and you'll already be half way there.

  19. Certainly. I am on the Anabolic Diet which is a carb cycling diet. Monday-Friday it consists of >30g of carbs per day w/ a macro breakdown of 55-60%fat/40-45%pro/~5%carbs during the week and 25-30%fat/10-20%protein/60%carbs on the weekends. Here is a typical weekday:

    Breakfast: 4 eggs scrambled w/ heavy whipping cream and cheddar cheese placed in a low carb tortilla wrap.

    Pre workout: 1 can tuna w/ mustard and mayo, 2 tbsps. extra virgin olive oil.

    Post workout: 40g whey protein w/ 10 caps fish oil.

    1 hr later: 130g chicken breast, spinach salad w/ ranch dressing, 1-2 tbsps extra virgin olive oil.

    Dinner: 150g ground beef (not the lean kind), 3.5 cups spinach, 5 tbsps. milled flax seed.

    Late night snack: 1 turkey sausage, 2 tbsps. natty PB, 1.5 servings of cottage cheese.

    ~3000 cals. This is a solid weekday for me, but keep in mind what I eat really changes from day to day aside from breakfast which doesn't really change much.

  20. I have some fish oil and flax seed oil caps.. my only beef with the fish oil is I belch up fish flavors which makes me nauseous. I have found that if I have them before a meal I'm OK. What about on the weekends, what does it look like?

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Schism View Post
    Bro, I used to be the same way (well kind of). Four years ago when I got back into bodybuilding I weighed a pathetic 160lbs at around 6ft tall. So naturally I lifted heavy and ate like a bear for the next 3-4 years. Needless to say it worked well, maybe to well. I Bulked up to around 200-205lbs (which still wasn't huge for my frame) but a lot of that was due to my increased bf (around 13%).
    So I changed the way I ate (mainly the amounts) drastically as well as adding in cardio 4 times a week and changed my whole workout routine from a 5-6 day split were I worked each muscle individually, to a 3 a week full body circuit training routine. My body responded almost instantly within the next 3-4 months I got my bf down to 6%. NO SH!T!!!!
    I know you'll hear it all the time but eating 6-8 small, high protein, low carb meals will really turn your body into a fcuking inferno. Also stay away from soda and beer because as we all know that sh!t is pure sugar. If you drink 3-4 12 ounce cans of soda a day that ends up as an extra 600-900 calories from sugar a day that's stored as fat. Over the course of weeks, months, years that gets fcuking ridicules. And that's just eliminating one simple item from your diet. You can reach your goals (and NATURALY) just sit down, do the math come up with a good diet (STICK TO IT) and change up your routine and you'll already be half way there.

    Yeah, I definitely have to ditch the soda. I generally have 1-2 cans a day, but thats easily 300 calories as you say of emptiness. Honestly lately, i have been trying to stick to juices like OJ to satisfy my sugar urges, but I ran out and started drinking soda lol. Just gonna have to stay stocked with juice and not soda.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by PhilABowl View Post
    I have some fish oil and flax seed oil caps.. my only beef with the fish oil is I belch up fish flavors which makes me nauseous. I have found that if I have them before a meal I'm OK. What about on the weekends, what does it look like?
    "Enteric Coated" Fish oil caps will get rid of the taste/belches.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Aggravated View Post
    "Enteric Coated" Fish oil caps will get rid of the taste/belches.
    that's the stuff I have... the only thing that works for me is firing food down on top of it, and thats taking ONE cap, let alone 10

  24. Quote Originally Posted by PhilABowl View Post
    that's the stuff I have... the only thing that works for me is firing food down on top of it, and thats taking ONE cap, let alone 10
    Oh wow.What brand do you use?
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    Juice is defiantly a better option, but not without flaw. It's (depending on what kind you get) still real high in carbs and sugars. But it seems to be the refined sugars like high fructose corn syrup that really sticks to you so look for additives in your juices.
    I've had good success with adding different juice's into my diet as well as honey because they're high on the glycemic index and are good early in the morning and right after workout's to get that extra spike for insulin levels. Just remember when you eat is just as (or more) important as what you eat. I read a book called nutrient timing and it taught me a lot, so diffinatly search for some literature. And I know cardio sucks @ss (I fcuking hate the sh!t out of it!!) but it's addition IS THE ONLY WAY you'll see the results you want naturally.

  26. What do you guys think of an 8 week cycle of Trenbolone Acetate at 50 mg ED coupled with Turinabol at 10-20 mg per day?

  27. Quote Originally Posted by Aggravated View Post
    Oh wow.What brand do you use?
    whatever costco has.

    I don't mind doing cardio honestly; i used to take martial arts, so that took care of all my cardio needs. I moved out of that area so I am no longer in an MA program, and thats when the fat started sticking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilABowl View Post
    20% sounds like something I can deal with still. I'd like to be 215-225 and about 8% bodyfat.
    Honestly, your goals are unrealistic at best and quite grandious. Consider that this guy is I believe 6' - 6'1" or so and 200lbs and likely 8% when he began his diet. He is a professional bodybuilder. 2007 OCB Midwest States ~ November 17th

    Maybe you should be realistic with your approach. Consider 200lbs at 12-15%. But first get down to a reasonable BF. You will see that you have a lot less muscle then you think. I say that because someone who is 220lb at 8% BF has 202lbs of LBM.

    Right now you are at least 20% bf. How big are your biceps?

    At 220 and 20% (low estimate) you have likely ~175lbs of LBM at the very best. That means you would have to put on another 27lbs of LBM just to get to 202lbs of LBM.

    Get fit. Get healthy. Get a lifestyle. Time and discipline will be the determining factor.

    No disrespect.

  29. B5150's a little blunt, but right none the less. At 200lbs and 13% bf by the time I got down to 6% bf(I'm probably more around 8% now) I only weighed 181-183lbs. So take from that what you will.
    And I defiantly wouldn't worry about cycling anything right know. While your that out of condition steroids will place an even higher amount of stress on your heart, lipid levels etc.
    If I was you I would go on a hardcore cut for the next 4-6 months before considering a cycle. And even then running a drier compound that will help you shed any additional bf you might have left over form the cut. You'd be surprised how much bigger your muscles look when your lean as opposed to being real heavy.
    Also there is no supplement for patience and hard work. So get in the right state of mind before you begin your quest for the body you want and nothing will stop you!!!

  30. I agree with B5150, Your body fat is around 22% i would say. So what you need to do is go on a fat blast man. Possibly pick up some Ephedra to speed up the process. Lift hard and heavy to retain the muscle you have and do cardio on a daily basis about 5-6 hours away from lifting. Also, you need to dramaticaly cut your carbs.Stay away from the juice, soda and the junk
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