[CryingEmo]

What do you think about using Xtend on the anabolic diet? 1-3 serving during WO?


I know that iso-luceine and valine are glucogenic, but when converting to glucose one serving results in 3.5 carbs.

Would straight luecine be better?

[Botch]

Interesting post by DH on the Anabolic Diet forum on T-Nation. Hes a real authority on this diet and has been on it for 12 years now since Mauro published the AD in 1995. This is a post in regards to a question asked about ketogenic diets that you see today:

Duchaine embellished much. Dr. D was using his diet in the 70's for his PL training. He didn't publish it in a popular way. Duchaine rewrote the Rebound diet as BodyOpus. Rebound was Zumpano's idea. Duchaine was a bit of a thief and an opportunistic tag along. Gironda and Rheo Blair began the idea of a fat/protein diet with targeted hits of carbs for anabolic effect. DiPas reworked it into the AD, which had significant differences. BO didn't work nearly as well and is a bear to follow because he gets nuts with his timing and sources. Dr. D has commented on Dan's lack of formal education showing through in the Opus.

For example Duchiane focuses on ketones and ketostix. Dr. D says after a few weeks you are converted and "weaned" off of ketones and are burning fatty acids. The diet is not ketogenic at all, but Dan didn't understand that. Most don't. Most of the half-informed people on the site or in your everyday life will assume you are on a ketogenic diet such as Atkins. Then you'll hear that ketosis is very bad long term (Lyle MacDonald) and they'll never pay attention to the words out of Dr. D's mouth. IT IS NOT A KETO DIET. DiPas calls it simply a cyclical diet. Ketosis is not a good thing and should be a transitory state before you take off the training wheels and really get going. In short, avoid BO. Or try it out and see it's shortfalls firsthand.

Best,
DH

PS. My favorite other "argument" against the AD. "Your brain needs carbs!" Wrong. I'll save that for another day on the thread. It's time for protein powder, almonds, and some slim jims.

[Botch]

Originally Posted by CryingEmo

What do you think about using Xtend on the anabolic diet? 1-3 serving during WO?


I know that iso-luceine and valine are glucogenic, but when converting to glucose one serving results in 3.5 carbs.

Would straight luecine be better?

Xtend is a great idea! During a workout its perfect.

[CryingEmo]

18x my bodyweight is 4200 calories, wayyy above maintenance level. Wow, that seems like alot. I'm usually closer to 3400 if that.

[Botch]

If it feels like too much you can start at 15x bodyweight, but Mauro doesn't recommend going any lower than that during the break in period.

[Botch]

Also, this diet is extremely protein sparing. You can get away with as little as 1g protein per pound of bodyweight on this diet. So if you feel like your not meeting those daily needs, just down a couple more tbsps. EVOO and you'll be good to go.

[Leggo my Ego]

yah.. Drink evoo!! LOL I rarely ever even measure it out anymore! I keep my evoo in a squeeze bottle (a plastic oil/vinigar bottle) and just give a hefty squeeze into my mouth with meals. haha

[CryingEmo]

I just did 30 minutes of cardio and I crashed hard afterwards. I felt very weak, like hypoglycemic feeling.

I came home and ate like 800 calories, eggs, cheese, EVOO, spinach, 2 oz chicken, 1 TBLspoon omega 3 mayo... I feel a little better now. I'm scared my carbs are too high however.


The ON Whey I've been using has 4 grams carbs per serving. I've had 3 1/2 scoops today, which is 16 carbs alone. Factor in 2 serving of Xtend, which could potentially be another 7 carbs, making it 23. Next I've had about 3 Tablespoons of PB, which is 9 carbs - fiber, making it 5. Some of the cheeses may have had 1 or two grams. I'm pretty damn close to the limit. Maybe I need to cut out Whey.

[Leggo my Ego]

Originally Posted by CryingEmo

I just did 30 minutes of cardio and I crashed hard afterwards. I felt very weak, like hypoglycemic feeling.

I came home and ate like 800 calories, eggs, cheese, EVOO, spinach, 2 oz chicken, 1 TBLspoon omega 3 mayo... I feel a little better now. I'm scared my carbs are too high however.


The ON Whey I've been using has 4 grams carbs per serving. I've had 3 1/2 scoops today, which is 16 carbs alone. Factor in 2 serving of Xtend, which could potentially be another 7 carbs, making it 23. Next I've had about 3 Tablespoons of PB, which is 9 carbs - fiber, making it 5. Some of the cheeses may have had 1 or two grams. I'm pretty damn close to the limit. Maybe I need to cut out Whey.

Hey Emo, Your carbs look fine to me. as long as your carbs are 5% or less (preferably less) of total cals... you're doing good

[Botch]

Yeah your carbs are lookin okay bro. You should pick up some flavorless whey protein. It tastes like a dirty jockstrap but it only has 1g carb per 25g of protein. To make it taste less like a toilet bowl I usually throw in an equal or two and some cinammon to mask it. Another good way to make a pretty good shake out of flavorless whey is to add some sugar free jello and heavy whipping cream. NOW makes some flavorless protein and some online retailers sell 5 lbs. for $30.

[CryingEmo]

I think I crashed. Even after me meal I feel tired.. and unmotivated... and that was a decent amount of cals...

Is this the crash and if so, how long does it last?

[Botch]

CryingEmo,
these are a few quotes I found from DH. I've seen pictures of him and he's huge. He looks like he's mostly endo.

"As far as my experience, I've gone pretty low in 2002. My goal is size and power and has always been. When I decided to play around with cutting cals I got many compliments. How lean? Don't know. Don't care. Abs showed nicely and so did my lumbar region. I'm in a small town and have no desire/inclination to get dunk tested for the "OCD validation moment" Folks commented and I have a decent eye. "

Another one from DH:
"Tell that to Doc DiPasquale who won competition after competition at 8% bodyfat. He includes photos in the AS that are great. Tell IC. Tell me. I couldn't bust 190 without getting a puffy look and eating enough CHO to want to nap more than train.

Now I'm 60 pounds heavier, my chest is 55", my shoulder circumference is 61", my arms are 20.5", and in about 3 weeks of dieting you can make out about 4 abs. A girl at work just commented on my calves (only 15.5") but it's because they are muscular. They (DanD and Lyle) NEVER got big AND never got the big picture. You don't want to screw around in the gray zone. Get adapted and get to growing without becoming a Lard-O. "

In some interviews Mauro talks about how he got as low as 3% bf on this diet for competitions!! The guy has competed and won in 8 different weight classes.

[Botch]

Originally Posted by CryingEmo

I think I crashed. Even after me meal I feel tired.. and unmotivated... and that was a decent amount of cals...

Is this the crash and if so, how long does it last?

Hang in there man and up the cals up if you get any headaches or are just feeling really run down. This is a normal part of the transition phase and it will certainly be a test of your mental toughness. Once you get a good night sleep you should be feeling a little better. For me, the ****ti feeling of the transition was over before the 2nd carb up. Some people get hit really hard and really fast while others feel like they have the flu for a few days. For me, I didn't crash until the 2nd week and one day it just hit me like a ton of bricks. I could barely get through my workout that day and had to skip school. I took 2 naps and slept a total of 16 hrs. The next day I was feeling chipper and fresh. It just means your body is in the metabolic shift.

[CryingEmo]

It's weird because I just got a sudden boost of energy. Ran out and did a bunch of things, came back and now I'm ok.

I just wonder if this means my body is converting protein to glucose and it just took it 2 hours....

[Botch]

You'll probably experience this jumping back and forth with energy for the first 1-2 weeks. Its highly unlikely you're making the transition after only a few days on the diet.