Everybody loves BCAAs...
- 10-16-2007, 06:02 PM
Everybody loves BCAAs...
i've been reading up on lots of different methods of dosing BCAAs and am having a hard time deciding on the most optimal way to take them.
1) one theory advises loading up a gallon jug with anywhere between 10 and 20+ grams of BCAAs to drink throughout the day, between meals...
2) yet another theory proposes loading up on BCAAs and some extra Leucine relatively - immediately pre workout, while continuing to sip them intra workout.
3) for the purposes of cutting extra calories, another method suggests subbing equivalent amounts of BCAAs for pre and PWO protein meals.
4) another theory says, drink them during the night if you wake up.
which of these theories is the BEST??? but most importantly, why and how does one determine the efficacy of BCAAs and these dosing protocols?
personally, i have been toying with the idea of having a full meal about 2 hours before my workout, then sipping on a BCAA/ Leucine mix an hr - 45 min before my workout, without extra protein. Then following my workout, I'd combine a modest scoop of whey (~30g) with about 16 oz. white grape juice and another 10 or so grams of BCAAs.
does this sound reasonable, or no? my logic is this... whey is not specifically an anti-catabolic. the purpose of having a quick pre workout snack is to give the body fuel for the workout while hopefully blunt the adverse effects of cortisol, which will increase during resistance exercise. so, why not replace a small fraction of whey with an equivalent amount of BCAAs? not only will this provide the body an anti-catabolic, but it will also eliminate some added calories from whey...
ALSO, would it not be better just to buy bulk Essential Amino Acids instead of BCAAs separately, since BCAAs technically won't work optimally without the presence of these other aminos?
Thanks in advance for replies
- 10-16-2007, 06:20 PM
Put it this way...a steady stream of BCAAs (especially Leucine) will keep you anti-catabolic and slightly anabolic. Anytime this is desirable (pretty much ALL the time) and you are not engaged in meal consumption is a good time.
During/Post workout and at times of fasting (during the night) are both ideal times. They are cheap enough to experiment with what contributes to your best effects.Evolutionary Muse - Inspire to Evolve
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- 10-16-2007, 06:29 PM
i am willing to experiment with different methods. but before I make any purchases, do you think it would be more economical to buy bulk EAAs, which already contain BCAAs, rather than solely bulk BCAAs?
either that or i was also considering getting bulk EAAs and mixing in a small tub of BCAAs for extra aminos.
10-16-2007, 06:46 PM
10-16-2007, 07:33 PM
not that this is the best or only way to do it but, i sip on bcaa's durring w.o. and imediatly after with whey,dextrose,and bcaa
10-16-2007, 08:34 PM
bcaas are soo cheap esp if you throwin
bulk beta alanine
just make a few bottles with alittle in each and drink that all day long instead of plan water, drink it pre workout, during workout and post workout, drink it while you sleep. its really simple.
10-16-2007, 10:49 PM
I take BCAA power pre and during workout, and sometimes if I havn't had a bed time protein shake I'll take some capsules prior to bed. . .
10-16-2007, 11:12 PM
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10-16-2007, 11:49 PM
10-17-2007, 01:37 AM
10-17-2007, 01:51 AM
10-17-2007, 02:50 AM
10-17-2007, 09:29 AM
anybody have any experience with something similar to this?
10-17-2007, 09:30 AM
10-17-2007, 09:45 AM
What would be the ideal dosing per day for BCAAs (As far as milligram wise)?
Also, is there any absorption difference between powder/lliquid vs. caps? I'm a cap head!
10-17-2007, 12:37 PM
10-17-2007, 11:36 PM
has anyone experimented with substituting BCAAs for protein calories and seen any measurable results? i've been toying with the idea of going for more of a ketogenic type of diet plan and replacing some of the proteins for BCAAs. or if not ketogenic, definitely very low-modest carb with each meal for insulin management. does this sound like a smart idea, or would i ultimately be better off drinking a BCAA mix throughout the day? i'm still confused on the most economical way to take these.
initially, the idea of replacing protein to cut cals sounded great but then i realized that BCAAs themselves contain calories, so what would really be my net results if any if i'm just replacing the cals in protein with the cals in BCAAs?
10-18-2007, 01:48 AM
I'm sensitive to dietary changes at the best of times though, EAA work good for me.
If I could get away with BCAA I would love to save the money.
10-18-2007, 02:05 AM
I am cutting at the moment and take Scivation's Extend three times a day. Usually preworkout, post workout, and right before bed. Sometimes I will take them directly upon waking up as well. I feel they have helped preserve muscle on my cut.
Anyone want to chime in on if they are necessary while bulking though???
10-18-2007, 02:20 AM
10-18-2007, 06:10 PM
it's a little different on a cut, however. when cutting, you technically want a caloric deficit and will eat less of different nutrients, including protein (depending on the diet too). this is when BCAAs come in handy. since they're a natural anti-catabolic they'll help keep you in a pro-anabolic state during the day, between meals, during your workout and at night if you wake up. they themselves have calories so you wouldn't be able to substitute them for foods necessarily without still netting any calories, but they are a great natural asset for any bodybuilder's arsenal i'd say.
on a bulk they're mostly just extra calories unless you sip on them during your workout.
10-18-2007, 07:37 PM
10-19-2007, 06:49 PM
not to refute your point of course. they are extremely handy in many scenarios. haha guess we should all be keeping an emergency first aid kit of BCAAs and supps in our cars.
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10-21-2007, 01:17 AM
10-21-2007, 01:27 AM
10-21-2007, 07:43 AM
10-21-2007, 11:44 AM
As far as BCAA's for a bulk. I had just got on the BCAA train last fall just before my bulk. I was doing 2 scoops Scivation Xtend before my workout with some added glutamine, creatine mono and Taurine. Then 4 scoops during my workout.
Now I was on M1T which was fine for weeks 1-2 but after that I could only get down 3~4meals a day and I kept adding weight the last 2 weeks. Now I dont know how much you can atrribute to BCAA supplementaiton but I feel it helped in recovery. Then during P.C.T. I kept adding weight also, about 3lbs of lean muscle. My recovery was pretty awsome.
I will use this same type of schema for this winter's bulk also.
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