Everybody loves BCAAs...

Page 1 of 2 12 Last
  1. Everybody loves BCAAs...


    i've been reading up on lots of different methods of dosing BCAAs and am having a hard time deciding on the most optimal way to take them.

    1) one theory advises loading up a gallon jug with anywhere between 10 and 20+ grams of BCAAs to drink throughout the day, between meals...

    2) yet another theory proposes loading up on BCAAs and some extra Leucine relatively - immediately pre workout, while continuing to sip them intra workout.

    3) for the purposes of cutting extra calories, another method suggests subbing equivalent amounts of BCAAs for pre and PWO protein meals.

    4) another theory says, drink them during the night if you wake up.

    which of these theories is the BEST??? but most importantly, why and how does one determine the efficacy of BCAAs and these dosing protocols?

    personally, i have been toying with the idea of having a full meal about 2 hours before my workout, then sipping on a BCAA/ Leucine mix an hr - 45 min before my workout, without extra protein. Then following my workout, I'd combine a modest scoop of whey (~30g) with about 16 oz. white grape juice and another 10 or so grams of BCAAs.

    does this sound reasonable, or no? my logic is this... whey is not specifically an anti-catabolic. the purpose of having a quick pre workout snack is to give the body fuel for the workout while hopefully blunt the adverse effects of cortisol, which will increase during resistance exercise. so, why not replace a small fraction of whey with an equivalent amount of BCAAs? not only will this provide the body an anti-catabolic, but it will also eliminate some added calories from whey...

    ALSO, would it not be better just to buy bulk Essential Amino Acids instead of BCAAs separately, since BCAAs technically won't work optimally without the presence of these other aminos?

    Thanks in advance for replies


  2. Put it this way...a steady stream of BCAAs (especially Leucine) will keep you anti-catabolic and slightly anabolic. Anytime this is desirable (pretty much ALL the time) and you are not engaged in meal consumption is a good time.

    During/Post workout and at times of fasting (during the night) are both ideal times. They are cheap enough to experiment with what contributes to your best effects.
    Evolutionary Muse - Inspire to Evolve
    Flawless Skin Couture - We give you the tools to make you Flawless
    •   
       


  3. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    Put it this way...a steady stream of BCAAs (especially Leucine) will keep you anti-catabolic and slightly anabolic. Anytime this is desirable (pretty much ALL the time) and you are not engaged in meal consumption is a good time.

    During/Post workout and at times of fasting (during the night) are both ideal times. They are cheap enough to experiment with what contributes to your best effects.
    true. i've considered drinking BCAAs throughout the day, but since I eat every 3 hours I figured my food consumption would be sufficient enough to prevent any significant catabolism during the day. if you were to gear more towards a cutting diet however, then perhaps you could space your meals out an extra hr or so and fill in the gaps with BCAAs...

    i am willing to experiment with different methods. but before I make any purchases, do you think it would be more economical to buy bulk EAAs, which already contain BCAAs, rather than solely bulk BCAAs?
    either that or i was also considering getting bulk EAAs and mixing in a small tub of BCAAs for extra aminos.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by beebab View Post
    true. i've considered drinking BCAAs throughout the day, but since I eat every 3 hours I figured my food consumption would be sufficient enough to prevent any significant catabolism during the day. if you were to gear more towards a cutting diet however, then perhaps you could space your meals out an extra hr or so and fill in the gaps with BCAAs...

    i am willing to experiment with different methods. but before I make any purchases, do you think it would be more economical to buy bulk EAAs, which already contain BCAAs, rather than solely bulk BCAAs?
    either that or i was also considering getting bulk EAAs and mixing in a small tub of BCAAs for extra aminos.
    Either way is economical. I prefer using BCAAs over EAAs.
    Evolutionary Muse - Inspire to Evolve
    Flawless Skin Couture - We give you the tools to make you Flawless

  5. not that this is the best or only way to do it but, i sip on bcaa's durring w.o. and imediatly after with whey,dextrose,and bcaa

  6. bcaas are soo cheap esp if you throwin

    bulk taurine
    bulk leucine
    bulk beta alanine

    just make a few bottles with alittle in each and drink that all day long instead of plan water, drink it pre workout, during workout and post workout, drink it while you sleep. its really simple.

  7. I take BCAA power pre and during workout, and sometimes if I havn't had a bed time protein shake I'll take some capsules prior to bed. . .

  8. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    Either way is economical. I prefer using BCAAs over EAAs.
    will BCAAs alone work fine without the presence of other essential aminos?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by nycste View Post
    bcaas are soo cheap esp if you throwin

    bulk taurine
    bulk leucine
    bulk beta alanine

    just make a few bottles with alittle in each and drink that all day long instead of plan water, drink it pre workout, during workout and post workout, drink it while you sleep. its really simple.
    hmm... i'm really attracted to this idea. i was always planning on adding some extra leucine to the mix. what would be the optimal serving of taurine and beta alanine for this context?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by beebab View Post
    hmm... i'm really attracted to this idea. i was always planning on adding some extra leucine to the mix. what would be the optimal serving of taurine and beta alanine for this context?
    lets say u were gonna make 3 drinks


    id say 2-5g taurine for maybe a pick me up, and its other benefits along with 2-3g BA, and 1-2 scoops bcaas and 1 scoop leucine

    im no expect

    and creatine mono + citrulline malate ftw for 1-2 drinks
    •   
       


  11. Quote Originally Posted by nycste View Post
    lets say u were gonna make 3 drinks


    id say 2-5g taurine for maybe a pick me up, and its other benefits along with 2-3g BA, and 1-2 scoops bcaas and 1 scoop leucine

    im no expect

    and creatine mono + citrulline malate ftw for 1-2 drinks
    are taurine and beta alanine meant to work synergistically with BCAAs to any extent? what would be the net benefits of mixing taurine and beta alanine with BCAAs?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by beebab View Post
    are taurine and beta alanine meant to work synergistically with BCAAs to any extent? what would be the net benefits of mixing taurine and beta alanine with BCAAs?
    Taurine and BA are great, inexpensive ergogenic aids, especially while cutting. I do not think that there is a direct synergy between them, but they make a great stack.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  13. Sorry, I don't like BCAA, EAA forever!

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Taurine and BA are great, inexpensive ergogenic aids, especially while cutting. I do not think that there is a direct synergy between them, but they make a great stack.
    hey rodja. yeah i didn't think there was any direct synergy either, but i do like the idea of using these for more of a cutting scheme. to me, an effective plan for a cutter might be to cut out a couple meals and eat every 4 or so hours, as opposed to every 3, and replace those lost meals with BCAA enriched shakes.

    anybody have any experience with something similar to this?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by nelix View Post
    Sorry, I don't like BCAA, EAA forever!
    haha y not?

  16. What would be the ideal dosing per day for BCAAs (As far as milligram wise)?

    Also, is there any absorption difference between powder/lliquid vs. caps? I'm a cap head!

  17. Quote Originally Posted by KingMeso View Post
    What would be the ideal dosing per day for BCAAs (As far as milligram wise)?

    Also, is there any absorption difference between powder/lliquid vs. caps? I'm a cap head!
    1000 mg = 1 g. so figure, if you're looking to drink 20 grams a day you'll want 20,000 mg. there is no ideal dosing protocol really, it's kinda just pick and choose. trial and error. i'd say anywhere from 20+ grams daily would be a good place to start. but i'm not an expert myself haha

  18. has anyone experimented with substituting BCAAs for protein calories and seen any measurable results? i've been toying with the idea of going for more of a ketogenic type of diet plan and replacing some of the proteins for BCAAs. or if not ketogenic, definitely very low-modest carb with each meal for insulin management. does this sound like a smart idea, or would i ultimately be better off drinking a BCAA mix throughout the day? i'm still confused on the most economical way to take these.
    initially, the idea of replacing protein to cut cals sounded great but then i realized that BCAAs themselves contain calories, so what would really be my net results if any if i'm just replacing the cals in protein with the cals in BCAAs?

  19. Quote Originally Posted by beebab View Post
    haha y not?
    Because I believe that other amino get depleted which (after many attempts at using BCAA) make me depressed and kill my libido.

    I'm sensitive to dietary changes at the best of times though, EAA work good for me.

    If I could get away with BCAA I would love to save the money.

  20. I am cutting at the moment and take Scivation's Extend three times a day. Usually preworkout, post workout, and right before bed. Sometimes I will take them directly upon waking up as well. I feel they have helped preserve muscle on my cut.

    Anyone want to chime in on if they are necessary while bulking though???

  21. Quote Originally Posted by BigCasino View Post
    I am cutting at the moment and take Scivation's Extend three times a day. Usually preworkout, post workout, and right before bed. Sometimes I will take them directly upon waking up as well. I feel they have helped preserve muscle on my cut.

    Anyone want to chime in on if they are necessary while bulking though???

    While bulking you can consume them in between meals and shakes for anti catabolic effect.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by BigCasino View Post
    I am cutting at the moment and take Scivation's Extend three times a day. Usually preworkout, post workout, and right before bed. Sometimes I will take them directly upon waking up as well. I feel they have helped preserve muscle on my cut.

    Anyone want to chime in on if they are necessary while bulking though???
    i don't really see as much of a need for BCAAs while on a bulk. your body will never really be in a catabolic state while on a good bulk because the majority of your aminos and nutrients will be coming straight from all the protein and food you eat.

    it's a little different on a cut, however. when cutting, you technically want a caloric deficit and will eat less of different nutrients, including protein (depending on the diet too). this is when BCAAs come in handy. since they're a natural anti-catabolic they'll help keep you in a pro-anabolic state during the day, between meals, during your workout and at night if you wake up. they themselves have calories so you wouldn't be able to substitute them for foods necessarily without still netting any calories, but they are a great natural asset for any bodybuilder's arsenal i'd say.

    on a bulk they're mostly just extra calories unless you sip on them during your workout.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by beebab View Post
    i don't really see as much of a need for BCAAs while on a bulk. your body will never really be in a catabolic state while on a good bulk because the majority of your aminos and nutrients will be coming straight from all the protein and food you eat.

    it's a little different on a cut, however. when cutting, you technically want a caloric deficit and will eat less of different nutrients, including protein (depending on the diet too). this is when BCAAs come in handy. since they're a natural anti-catabolic they'll help keep you in a pro-anabolic state during the day, between meals, during your workout and at night if you wake up. they themselves have calories so you wouldn't be able to substitute them for foods necessarily without still netting any calories, but they are a great natural asset for any bodybuilder's arsenal i'd say.

    on a bulk they're mostly just extra calories unless you sip on them during your workout.
    I think EAA or BCAA is good while bulking in many situations, such as working out, long drives and in between meals if you are at work... or some other place where you can't eat.

    Good emergency aminos in case your dinner plans fall through!

  24. Quote Originally Posted by nelix View Post
    I think EAA or BCAA is good while bulking in many situations, such as working out, long drives and in between meals if you are at work... or some other place where you can't eat.

    Good emergency aminos in case your dinner plans fall through!
    yeah that's true. i still think that your diet should be a good indicator of whether or not BCAAs are needed on a daily basis, however. as i said, if you're on a bulk that requires you to eat wholesome food sources constantly for weight gain, most of your nutrients and aminos will be derived from those foods, respectively. but if you're on a cut and are limiting your intake of certain foods, BCAA if not EAAs are good supplements to get you those vital aminos.

    not to refute your point of course. they are extremely handy in many scenarios. haha guess we should all be keeping an emergency first aid kit of BCAAs and supps in our cars.

  25. What do the Bulk BCAA's from nutra taste like mixed in water?

  26. Quote Originally Posted by edwards View Post
    What do the Bulk BCAA's from nutra taste like mixed in water?
    Have you ever tasted used q-tips dipped in dog feces? Yeah, not QUITE that bad.
    Evolutionary Muse - Inspire to Evolve
    Flawless Skin Couture - We give you the tools to make you Flawless

  27. Quote Originally Posted by dsade View Post
    Have you ever tasted used q-tips dipped in dog feces? Yeah, not QUITE that bad.
    HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

    when I mix bulk leucine i mix it with like 3 servings of crystal light raspberry

  28. haha ya mix them in crystal light and they're fine bro

  29. How long per serving of BCAA would prevent catabolism for?

  30. As far as BCAA's for a bulk. I had just got on the BCAA train last fall just before my bulk. I was doing 2 scoops Scivation Xtend before my workout with some added glutamine, creatine mono and Taurine. Then 4 scoops during my workout.

    Now I was on M1T which was fine for weeks 1-2 but after that I could only get down 3~4meals a day and I kept adding weight the last 2 weeks. Now I dont know how much you can atrribute to BCAA supplementaiton but I feel it helped in recovery. Then during P.C.T. I kept adding weight also, about 3lbs of lean muscle. My recovery was pretty awsome.

    I will use this same type of schema for this winter's bulk also.
  

  
 

Similar Forum Threads

  1. Everybody Loves Kids And Animals !!!
    By anabolicrhino in forum General Chat
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 06-01-2007, 05:21 PM
  2. So This Is Where Everybody's Been Hiding.....
    By GEORGE YOUNG in forum Anabolics
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: 12-18-2002, 07:10 PM
  3. O/T I love being a guy...
    By jweave23 in forum General Chat
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 12-13-2002, 08:05 PM
  4. love them pudding
    By sage in forum General Chat
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 11-22-2002, 11:27 PM
  5. WW7's tatoo's! I love my ink!
    By windwords7 in forum Pics
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: 11-14-2002, 10:13 AM
Log in
Log in