[Kuruption]

Is dextrose ok to have post workout? I see a few people on other forums say oatmeal milk and whey are better. Im worried about fat gain and doesn't a spike in insulin encourage that?

[beebab]

not PWO. after a workout is when your body actually needs an insulin spike to replenish muscle glycogen lost during exercise. PWO is the time when your body is most sensitive to the good effects of Insulin (i.e. whereby insulin shuttles carbs into your muscles, rather than adipose tissue). of course, if you overdo the post workout carbs the residual carbs that can't fit in your muscle stores may be stored as body fat.

in this regard, dextrose would be a good carb for PWO consumption b/c it would get you that immediate blood sugar spike that your muscles crave at that point in time. you might end up feeling somewhat bloated, however.

i've found that i don't get much of a bloat with oats, but if i eat too many oats (or carbs for that matter) i do feel bloated and have a hard time getting hungry again an hr later for a full meal. so i'd say, keep your pre and PWO meals somewhat small but efficient enough to kick start the anabolic processes and reserve your hunger for your post post meal.

also, i'd stay away from mixing milk and whey. you'll feel very bloated and the casein protein in milk would only slow the absorption of your whey, which is not totally ideal PWO.

[Force of Green]

I personally have crappy experiences with that dextrose crap. I've tried that, vitargo, malto, and a few others... I am pretty ripped right now and the sugar powder $h1t made me and most others I know who use it FAT. I am a few steps ahead with the preaching of insulin spike, anabolic window PWO, etc... If I hear another preach about that crap, heads are going to roll.

Personally, I fair well with 50 grams whey isolate or hydrosolate, or a good iso/concentrate blend like Oryx Goat Whey. I drink the shake and eat a small banana and a piece of Ezekiel bread with some honey drizzled on it. I've been getting fuller muscle-bellies, no fat gain, and awesome recovery without glycemic crashes.

Original Cell Tech preaches the dextrose PWO. Everyone I know who uses that stuff is a fat tub of lard.

[beebab]

Originally Posted by Force of Green

I personally have crappy experiences with that dextrose crap. I've tried that, vitargo, malto, and a few others... I am pretty ripped right now and the sugar powder $h1t made me and most others I know who use it FAT. I am a few steps ahead with the preaching of insulin spike, anabolic window PWO, etc... If I hear another preach about that crap, heads are going to roll.

Personally, I fair well with 50 grams whey isolate or hydrosolate, or a good iso/concentrate blend like Oryx Goat Whey. I drink the shake and eat a small banana and a piece of Ezekiel bread with some honey drizzled on it. I've been getting fuller muscle-bellies, no fat gain, and awesome recovery without glycemic crashes.

Original Cell Tech preaches the dextrose PWO. Everyone I know who uses that stuff is a fat tub of lard.

i agree with you that pre/post nutrition has become very overrated, especially with all the hype over bogus products like cell tech. whey isolate and a good source of carbohydrate are really all you need after a workout...i've found that ultimately the type of carb you eat PWO doesn't matter as much, as long as you get quality carbs into your system for recovery without gorging yourself. 50 grams of dextrose is overrated and would only get you bloated... not to say however that some mild sugary carb, like raisins, still wouldn't be effective PWO.

[Irish Cannon]

ive been doing 1 cup oats + 70g WMS pre workout, and 70g WMS post workout.

[onelife]

I have been getting great results with whey protein, a small amount of simple carbs (fruit) and some complex whole grain carbs

[Dancebot 2000]

Beebab is right that your body is not in a hormonal enviroment that is indicative to making you fat PWO. Dextrose can be good to pack on mass, but getting cut would still be hard. Post workout your body is going to use it more effectively than any other point in the day, and that insulin spike will add muscle, but you still can get a bit doughy. I also find dextrose makes me feel bloated.

I'm expecting a trend of complex carbs post workout, regardless of how fast they are.

[Force of Green]

Originally Posted by beebab

i agree with you that pre/post nutrition has become very overrated, especially with all the hype over bogus products like cell tech. whey isolate and a good source of carbohydrate are really all you need after a workout...i've found that ultimately the type of carb you eat PWO doesn't matter as much, as long as you get quality carbs into your system for recovery without gorging yourself. 50 grams of dextrose is overrated and would only get you bloated... not to say however that some mild sugary carb, like raisins, still wouldn't be effective PWO.

Agreed man 100%. I personally like a good, natural blend. A little fructose never hurts to bolster liver glycogen a bit and get the body's energy and 'chi' back up to par. As long as you aren't consuming significant amounts of fat PWO, you should be golden with a nice blend of a little fast absorbing carbs, a little medium/slow. I love the small banana, and 2 pieces of Ezekiel grain bread with honey (honey sandwich). Google 'honey post workout' and some say it's the optimal carb source for PWO. Your body will kindly let you know what it doesn't like

[Dave0660]

When I am not worried about the calories, I love grape juice and chocolate flavored whey. It isn't as bad as it sounds! I like it actually and it works great.

[Nitrox]

Originally Posted by Force of Green

Google 'honey post workout' and some say it's the optimal carb source for PWO.

Not picking on ya bro - just gonna use your reference to posts about about optimal carbs.

There is no 'optimal carb source'. Likewise there is no optimal fat or protein. Yes some are better than others but none stand out as the best. Your body can use all of the above for energy with certain restrictions for each. IMO try to stick to whole food sources in order to maximize MICROnutrition and minimize processed foods like refined carbs, protein powders, and oils.

[Force of Green]

Originally Posted by Nitrox

Not picking on ya bro - just gonna use your reference to posts about about optimal carbs.

There is no 'optimal carb source'. Likewise there is no optimal fat or protein. Yes some are better than others but none stand out as the best. Your body can use all of the above for energy with certain restrictions for each. IMO try to stick to whole food sources in order to maximize MICROnutrition and minimize processed foods like refined carbs, protein powders, and oils.

No doubt bro. I am with you 100%. It's all about what works well with your body. If you're body isn't taking to something effectively, don't keep feeding it with it.

When I mentioned the honey, I was merely stating that there was some logic and research done about it before I started putting it into my body. I figured that honey is a good natural source of sucrose and fructose and that it'd make the slices of sprouted grain bread taste a little better, but PWO nutrition isn't all about taste, it's about results. Maybe someone out there is looking for something new to add to their post-workout arsenal and I as well, being a whole food advocate, can vouch for honey's effectiveness.

[TenMan]

PWO 1 cup of rolled oats and 2 scoops of whey. Unfortunately my body is laZy and doesN't process simple sugars... as it seems to store as fat. So I go the complex route w/ fewer complaints.

[pudzian2]

Sometimes I feel that there is too much emphasis on cramming food down right after a workout. put it this way: say 45 mins of weight training burns 450 calories. If all of those calories are burned from carbs (yielding ~4 calories per gram). Then one would burn about 112.5 grams of calorie-carbs. This not the case for a few reasons.

1- protein PWO also provides carbs...50g x4 = 200cals
2- add this to the 112.5g carbs (450 cals) and now we have consumed 650cals.....Okay if trying to gain weight but not if trying be lean or simply "Replenish" stores.

Since we now know not all cals burned whilst lifting come from carbs (all macros are broken down into glucose and then used or stored.) we have to account for a few things:

1- find a balance..we don't realistically need more than 40-60 carbs PWO depending on goal, bodyweight, intensity etc. (again, this is assuming we are just "replenishing stores").

2- if one were trying to be in a caloric deficit, DIRECTLY PWO is not the time to skimp out on macros.. (esp. proteins and carbs). we should replenish here, and cut cals back evenly throughout the day.

**The food we eat all day including post workout should be taken into serious account becuase over these periods of time, glycogen (or fat of course) is stored and ready for use. This is why its optimal to space one of your balanced meals Pre Workout, about an hour before..to keep everything even and not cram down 1+cup of oats on the way to the gym. (a little extra carbs before heavy weight training aren't bad though).

Balanced whole food meals are the best, so of course if working out at 8pm, one would have a meal at 7pm...maybe a piece of fruit while beginning their workout for extra energy, and then a small Post Workout meal to replenish stores, prevent catabolism, and promote anabolism (hopefully)... until your next meal comes around.

[TenMan]

Good post. A lot of people forget-or never learn-an overall balanced diet, suited to fit your goal(s), is the key to success or failure.

[pudzian2]

Originally Posted by TenMan

Good post. A lot of people forget-or never learn-an overall balanced diet, suited to fit your goal(s), is the key to success or failure.

As much as I can sound like I know on paper, its a continuous learning process for me to find out what works best with my body. It can get frustrating but it will all be worth it.