Switching to CKD Jan 1, 2008....any reason not to????

[Distilled Water]

After I was lazy and PMed Ubi for some info about CKD, which he ignored me like he should have.....

Any way, I have been looking at pro's/con's of CKD over the past week and Im really looking to switch over to it almost full time at the begging of the new year. I would only take a week off of it at a time at most, and will only be for vacations and what not.

Is there any reason I shouldn't, can you really "add mass/bulk" on the CKD? The other thing im haveing a hard time with is, how will my body adapt back to normal eating habbits in 10 or 15 years?

So everyone knows im 5'9" 185~187ish now @ about 10~13%.As of Jan 1, I plan on beeing close to 190 @10%BF with a little help from Superdrol and IGF-1

I'd like to maintiane at around 180lbs and bee in the single digits BF wise

 

[ptrain19]

I thinking of switching pretty soon myself...

Is there a good link explaining the CKD diet? How does it differ from the Anabolic Diet I've read about in other threads? Are they both keto?

Im deciding which one to do... sorry to threadjack but my only goal is to get to certain weight and constantly recomp all year like you OP

BUMP. we need answers!

 

[ItsHectic]

I would make sure your having enough fat especially if your feeling lethargic, or look into Intermittent Fasting.

 

[WEEZYFBABY]

i did ckd for a while look at log

timetogetbigserious(highschool althete under nutrition)

 

[Distilled Water]

I thinking of switching pretty soon myself...

Is there a good link explaining the CKD diet? How does it differ from the Anabolic Diet I've read about in other threads? Are they both keto?

Im deciding which one to do... sorry to threadjack but my only goal is to get to certain weight and constantly recomp all year like you OP

BUMP. we need answers!

I just went to google and searched CKD diet

 

[WEEZYFBABY]

ok here it is, you eat 60% of your cals from fat+35% of your cals from protein and 5% from carbs.

here is what my diet looks like diet:
meal 1: two whole eggs, 1 egg white, 1/4 cup cheddar, 4 strips bacon(fish oil)
meal 2: 3 ozs sliced ham, some cheddar cheese w/ mustard
meal 3: 1 tablespoon natty pb(fish oil)
meal 4: 8oz sliced turkey w/ 2 oz sliced ham w/ a few slices cheddar w/ a few slics baby swiss
meal 5: five and a fourth tablespoons flax seed oil(fish oil)
(amouts a little of oz is an estimate)probably 2 much
fitday:2183cals, 154g fat, 17g carb.,185g protein
%s=63%fat+3%carb.+35%protein


a smart thing to do would be to buy "ketostix" which are urine analysis (pee on strip tell you if ur in KETOSIS or not) once you are in KETOSIS you can lower fat cals down. to around 55%
DONT WORRY ON THIS DIET FOR THE FIRST COUPLE DAYS IT WILL BE VERY HARD TO FIND ENERGY U HAD WITH MODERATE CARBS. DURING WORKOUT DONT GIVE UP!

ON THIS DIET YOU WILL LOSE BODYFAT AND GAIN lbm

 

[WEEZYFBABY]

ne questions???

 

[Nitrox]

ON THIS DIET YOU WILL LOSE BODYFAT AND GAIN lbm

ne questions???

Yes, is that guaranteed?

 

[Nitrox]

Is there any reason I shouldn't, can you really "add mass/bulk" on the CKD? The other thing im haveing a hard time with is, how will my body adapt back to normal eating habbits in 10 or 15 years?

Just my $.02 but I wouldn't try bulking without daily carbs.

 

[Distilled Water]

Just my $.02 but I wouldn't try bulking without daily carbs.

I thought the same thing, but after reading more and more on it, it looks like it is possible. It's just not as quick as if eating alot of carbs.

Maybe I could for see 2lbs added in a month while in a surplus of cals. That 2lbs was muscle without gaining any fat vs. with carbs is may be 6lbs total...maybe 3lbs muscle/2lbs water and 1lb fat??? See what im getting at?

I have become really interested in maybe trying this come Oct. 1st @ a maintenence phase, with added cardio 3times a week. Do it for all of Oct. and then when Nov hits jump on Superdrol for 3 weeks while doing CKD in a surplus and stay in a CKD surplus until after P.C.T. and see where im at. To be honest while in school @ 16credit hours it'll be alot easier doing a CKD diet over a regular bulking diet anyways.

 

[WEEZYFBABY]

here is diet from last three days

day one :
meal 1:4 egg white 2whole eggs ,1/4 cup cheddar, low carb ketchup
meal 2: 2 chicken breasts on bed of lettuce w/ salad dressing
meal 3: 2 table spoon natty pb
meal 4: 2 more chicken breasts w/ alot of blue cheese dressin on more lettuce
meal 5: 2 tablespoons natty pb
1448 cals,57f,3c,39p

day 2:
meal 1: lots of bacon 5 slices, 3 whole eggs, 4 egg whites
meal 2: 40 oz gladiator shake (70g protein 7 carbs 8 f
meal 3: 2 tablespoons naty pb
meal 4:broccoli w/ cheese
meal 5: 2 big scoops of cream cheese
1400, 53f,5c,39p

day 3(this day better)
meal 1: 3 whole eggs, 1/4 cup cheddar
meal 2: bunch of deli sliced turkey w/ 2 slices cheese, pepperonis
meal 3: 2 chicken breasts w/ lean body low carb shake
meal 4: 1 scoop ON 100% whey PWO
meal 5: 1 cup raw peanuts, salad w/ a lil chicken
2137,53f,5c,45p

my workout today was crazy
bench supersetted flys 10 sets each

dips supersetted w/ skull crushers 9 sets

weighted crunches 4 sets

leg raises 2 sets

obliques 3 sets

40 mins of cardio (20mins hit 20 mins medium)

 

[Distilled Water]

Yea I got all that down weezy..thanks....

The training and diet. Im just wondering how my body will adapt when I resume a normal diet and how people that do CKD are doing

 

[WEEZYFBABY]

ok sorry for trying to help...and im on CKD now with awesome results....

 

[Distilled Water]

No I wansn't trying to be a ****, just saying I have that whole aspect down I said that because you posted your diet twice and I checked out your log. I thought i had posted that my bad

 

[WEEZYFBABY]

^ oh sorry bro its cool my bad thanks for looking at log REPPED!

 

[Distilled Water]

I have become really interested in maybe trying this come Oct. 1st @ a maintenence phase, with added cardio 3times a week. Do it for all of Oct. and then when Nov hits jump on Superdrol for 3 weeks while doing CKD in a surplus and stay in a CKD surplus until after P.C.T. and see where im at. To be honest while in school @ 16credit hours it'll be alot easier doing a CKD diet over a regular bulking diet anyways.

I'm an idiot, i relized this in the car ride home from work yesterday. There's NO WAAAAAAAAY i could go CKD on superdrol + IGF-1 then into and thru P.C.T. I'll die of hypoglycemia.

See this is why I plan things several months in advance, to work out my stupidity. :ntome:

 

[Distilled Water]

I planned out my CKD diet the other day along with training. Here's how she looks

Meal 1:
-4 whole eggs
-1/4 cup chedder cheese
-2gr CLA

Meal 2:
-4 oz. Tuna
-2TBS mayo
-1TBS olive oil w/ salad

Meal 3:
-4oz Chicken
-10oz. Almonds
-2gr CLA

Meal 4 (Post-Workout):
-50gr Whey
---30min later---
-1tbs Flax Oil

Meal 5:
-8oz. Steak
-Large Salad w/ Olive oil

Meal 6:
-4 Whole eggs
-1TBS Flax Oil
-2gr CLA

*I will also take 1gr Fish Oil with each meal

Sun: AM cardio
Mon: Chest/Back
Tue: Leggs/Abbs
Wed: AM Cardio
Thur: AM Cardio
Fri: Full Body Workout
Sat: OFF

I'll start my carb load friday afternoon with 75gr Waxy Maize post-workout and run it til' midnite on sat. Consumeing about 600-700gr of carbs total.

I need a little help with putting together a solid depletion workout for friday.

 

[WEEZYFBABY]

here yah go
Bench 2 sets, 6-10 reps
T-bar Row 2 sets, 6-10 reps
Incline bench 2 sets, 6-10 reps
Latpulldown to front 2 sets, 6-10 reps
Behind the neck shoulder press 1 set, 8-10 reps
Military press 1 set, 8-10 reps
preacher or hammer curls2 sets, 8-10 reps
pushdowns or skull crushers 2 sets, 8-10 reps
Stiffleg deadift 1 set, 8-10 reps
Normal floor ab crunch 2 sets, 10-20 reps
Reverse crunches 2 sets, 10-20 reps

 

[NYhomeboy]

Did CKD for a very long time... I have never responded very well to carbs. After any carb meal I'll go into a food coma and feel lazy for the rest of the day. Some notes about CKD and low-carb dieting in general from someone who's been doing it for a lifetime...

1. You can DEFINITELY do a very lean bulk without carbs. ****... I was gaining mass on the south beach diet as a newbie 4 years ago. I've never noticed the ability to lift more with higher carb diets. All depends on the person.

2. If you have insulin sensitivity issues like me, you will feel more energetic on CKD, less bloated, and more healthy overall.

3. CKD foods are fun

4. Be ready to feel depleted as f*ck before the carbups. Also low carb dieting (on a diet at the extreme of CKD) for a long period of time often gives one an insatiable need for carbs. I could polish off two large pizzas on CKD during a carbup (and amazingly, still lose 1-2 lbs that week) You will notice that your body does in fact begin to change the way it metabolizes energy.

5. Worst part... make sure to taper back carbs into your lifestyle, or you're going to feel like someone who's just been in a contest. Rebounding 20-30 lbs after 1-2 weeks would not be atypical.

Check out c-k-d.com (if it's still up...). Great community of CKDers.

 

[ItsHectic]

Im giving this a shot for comparison, this is my 2nd day of no carbs, so far so good I thought I would start having concentration problems by now but not the case. Ronald McDonald is helping me out, so is metamucil.

 

[Distilled Water]

Thanks homeboy. I tried it but didnt get anything, some asian writting crap. I search "anabolic diet" on here and got alot more turn up because its more than 3 letters. I'm thinking about useing Glycer Grow to make me "feel" less depleted and get more water down.

Last sun I did no carbs all day and by 8pm im pretty sure I was in Ketosis. My breathe had that odd smell and I was foggy upstairs. This is good to know my body can switch so fast.

I did somthing like this before spring break my senior year of HS and i experienced all the carb free sides and thats how i felt the other nite. Also I felt the rebound. I gain like 18-20lbs on spring break, but also gained a few notches on the belt :toofunny:

 

[Distilled Water]

I also think on carb up days I may include some type of ALA, maybe R-ALA or K-R-ALA.....any siggestions????

 

[NYhomeboy]

yeah all glucose disposal agents are fair game and should supposedly help you get into ketosis quicker later on (so the theory goes... more carbs are shuttled into muscular glycogen than liver glycogen, etc). R-ala (or just 2x dose ALA), vanadyl sulfate, and I really like Anabolic Pump for this purpose.

too bad c-k-d.com is no longer available. there was a wealth mine of 5+ years of keto diet posting there. unfortunately it seems low carb communities are dying out... but personally, I always go back to low carbing because I just don't seem to tolerate carbs very well.

 

[Distilled Water]

Theres stuff there I must have done somthing wrong or it was under contruction....IDK. It works now and there is a TON of info there.

 

[Ubiquitous]

After I was lazy and PMed Ubi for some info about CKD, which he ignored me like he should have.....

You did? I don't remember a PM from you at all.... strange. I try to get back to most of my PMs quickly. My apologies if I flaked on you.

 

[Distilled Water]

You did? I don't remember a PM from you at all.... strange. I try to get back to most of my PMs quickly. My apologies if I flaked on you.

Yea Im pretty sure I did, it was a while ago. No sweat my man....it just took me a little longer to get some of the answers I was looking for. I got the diet nailed.

I'm just haveing some trouble with the training principles....set/reps/splits