daily fat intake

[dhuge67]

Maybe we researched two different diets, but the one i ran did not say gorge carbs but you could eat moderate amounts
on day 6 and 7 but once back on day one you were to try and deplete the majority of your load if not all.

No, the anabolic/metabolic diet calls for a wild splurge on carbs. You eat carbs until you begin to "smooth out" and sort of intuitively know it's time to stop. For some guys it might be 300 grams, for others it might be 1,000 grams or more.

[superdrollover]

No, the anabolic/metabolic diet calls for a wild splurge on carbs. You eat carbs until you begin to "smooth out" and sort of intuitively know it's time to stop. For some guys it might be 300 grams, for others it might be 1,000 grams or more.

My bad!

[superdrollover]

Sounds like a variation of the CKD.

Thats it!

I never researched the anabolic diet I just thought it was more of an increase in protein to fat ratio then the CKD

[dhuge67]

If anyone wants the E-Books on the Anabolic Diet, shoot me a PM with your email address.

It's good info, if not completely mind boggling at first. I admit that it is a radical departure from a modern diet, but it might also be "what the doctor ordered" for particular individuals who have insulin/carb issues.

[cmp007]

It seems to me if your trying to lose a few lbs and keep it off why go so far out of your way to change your entire diet to nothing but fats. Then make your body used to the fats then cut them out. That seems to be stupid if you ask me. I just wanted to know about how much grams of fat is recommended for a daily intake. Dont think I want to go off and eat 1500 calories in fat a day to make my body feed of nothing but fats... sounds stupid.

[superdrollover]

Anywhere between 20-30% should be good.

[jonny21]

How much should I intake in fat daily?

20-40% of total calories.

Im also trying to lose a few lbs. Im about 5'10'' 185lbs ~13%BF.

500kcal/day below maintenance to start, adjust as needed.

[dhuge67]

It seems to me if your trying to lose a few lbs and keep it off why go so far out of your way to change your entire diet to nothing but fats. Then make your body used to the fats then cut them out. That seems to be stupid if you ask me. I just wanted to know about how much grams of fat is recommended for a daily intake. Dont think I want to go off and eat 1500 calories in fat a day to make my body feed of nothing but fats... sounds stupid.

The largest thread of all-time at T-Nation is one about the Anabolic Diet, with it mostly being about the member's success on the diet.

And actually, you sound stupid just dismissing something that you know nothing about. I shouldn't even waste my time with you if you're going to act this closed-minded. Realize that there are other perspectives on the issue, and MANY people have had amazing success (especially formerly very fat people) on the anabolic diet.

[IainDaniel]

The largest thread of all-time at T-Nation is one about the Anabolic Diet, with it mostly being about the member's success on the diet.

And actually, you sound stupid just dismissing something that you know nothing about. I shouldn't even waste my time with you if you're going to act this closed-minded. Realize that there are other perspectives on the issue, and MANY people have had amazing success (especially formerly very fat people) on the anabolic diet.

Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.

You do realize ketones are toxic to the body, right?

[Nitrox]

The largest thread of all-time at T-Nation is one about the Anabolic Diet, with it mostly being about the member's success on the diet.

Hmm... T-nation. It all becomes clear. You do realize that T-nation is a commercial site and the forum is not only moderated but edited and censored before posts go live? Wanna buy a swamp?

And yes the brain NEEDS glucose (see Hypoglycemia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) but does not need dietary carbohydrate to get it. It can be obtained from the glycerol component of fat, or from protein breakdown (dietary or lean body tissue).

Carbs ARE anabolic. All food with a positive calorie value has the ability to be anabolic or anti-catabolic.

And actually, you sound stupid just dismissing something that you know nothing about. I shouldn't even waste my time with you if you're going to act this closed-minded. Realize that there are other perspectives on the issue, and MANY people have had amazing success (especially formerly very fat people) on the anabolic diet.

Actually this is all old hat here at AM. Most of the vets here have honed their views on objective studies and discussions not the preachings of a private commercial site or diet book. Calling people stupid is not a great way to be taken seriously.

[dhuge67]

Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.

You do realize ketones are toxic to the body, right?

The Anabolic Diet is not a keto-diet. You get carbs in excess, but they are restricted some of the time. It's similar to carb cycling.

And the comment about T-Nation? I've never had a post edited there after 600+ posts. The Anabolic Diet is a discussion about the anabolic diet, and has nothing to do with t-nation other than the fact that the URL of the thread contains the word 't-nation.'

[Rodja]

The Anabolic Diet is not a keto-diet. You get carbs in excess, but they are restricted some of the time. It's similar to carb cycling.

And the comment about T-Nation? I've never had a post edited there after 600+ posts. The Anabolic Diet is a discussion about the anabolic diet, and has nothing to do with t-nation other than the fact that the URL of the thread contains the word 't-nation.'

It is not a keto diet??? The main goal of carb-cycling diets is to go into ketosis. In case you were not aware, CKD is an anagram for Cyclic Ketogenic Diet. The "Anabolic Diet" is a different version of a CKD plan.

[dhuge67]

It is not a keto diet??? The main goal of carb-cycling diets is to go into ketosis. In case you were not aware, CKD is an anagram for Cyclic Ketogenic Diet. The "Anabolic Diet" is a different version of a CKD plan.

The Anabolic Diet is not a keto-diet, necessarily. For some it might be. A lot of times, the carb-up is so significant that you won't go into ketosis, except for possibly a day or two out of the week.

[Rodja]

The Anabolic Diet is not a keto-diet, necessarily. For some it might be. A lot of times, the carb-up is so significant that you won't go into ketosis, except for possibly a day or two out of the week.

I can guarantee that if you cut carbs as low as you recommend, then your body will go into ketosis within 36 hours or so.

[jonny21]

A lot of times, the carb-up is so significant that you won't go into ketosis, except for possibly a day or two out of the week.

Then it defeats its purpose.

[dhuge67]

Then it defeats its purpose.

Not quite. By getting the carbs at one time, you replenish glycogen levels and then deplete them each week. The key is that you are eating basically all of the carbs for the week at one time, and then you're using them all up throughout the week, while still maintaining the fat-adapted state (which is usually only FULLY reached after 6 months - sometimes more). You wouldn't maintain a fat-adapted state if you ate carbs every day.

It's a lifestyle change, not just some quick cutting or bulking diet (you can do either with this method of eating).

[dhuge67]

I can guarantee that if you cut carbs as low as you recommend, then your body will go into ketosis within 36 hours or so.

Again, with the carb-up, that's not necessarily true. You should also read about the Warrior Diet (which is insane to me, but interesting), which goes into a whole huge thing about how unbelievably large our glycogen stores are in comparison to what we believe they are (it goes into some talk about how there are 20,000 calories or more worth of glucose stores - If I'm remembering correctly).

[jonny21]

Simple fact, this fat adapted state that you are referring to is ketosis.

[dhuge67]

Simple fact, this fat adapted state that you are referring to is ketosis.

I agree that it can be.

Some people are not able to reach Ketosis on even 10 grams of carbs a day. It's not as simple for everyone to enter into the state of ketosis as you think.

[jonny21]

I agree that it can be.

Some people are not able to reach Ketosis on even 10 grams of carbs a day. It's not as simple for everyone to enter into the state of ketosis as you think.

I think you are missing the point. Ketones are a by-product of lipid metabolism. So, if fatty acids are being used as energy ketones are produced and you are in ketosis. BTW, ketones are what your brain uses for energy in absence of glucose.