[beebab]

in your opinion, which is the best split? i added the middle two just so that there'd be more of a selection, but it's really a choice between 40/40/20 and 33/33/33 IMO. From what I've heard from others, the latter is supposedly ideal for bodybuilding and encouraging lean mass, but I haven't heard anything of this theory myself. I'm not interested in bulking persay. Simply acquiring totally lean, pure mass gains. What do you think?

[PumpingIron]

Well it really depends...lean mass diet and bodybuilding diets are not the same.

Also, different people put this ratios in different orders, so what exactly did you mean?

[beebab]

Originally Posted by PumpingIron

Well it really depends...lean mass diet and bodybuilding diets are not the same.

Also, different people put this ratios in different orders, so what exactly did you mean?

I guess my question was more concerned with finding a hybrid between the two? I know that being a bodybuilder requres a constant changing diet of different portions, since there are so many goals and aspects of the sport.

But as a bodybuilder, if you weren't interested in heavy mass bulking at the moment and wanted to lean out gradually, while maintaining muscle mass and STILL gaining lean mass, which macronutrient split would be ideal for accomplishing that?

33/33/33 seems interesting. cept where's the other 1 %? haha

[MakaveliThaDon]

Originally Posted by beebab

I guess my question was more concerned with finding a hybrid between the two? I know that being a bodybuilder requres a constant changing diet of different portions, since there are so many goals and aspects of the sport.

But as a bodybuilder, if you weren't interested in heavy mass bulking at the moment and wanted to lean out gradually, while maintaining muscle mass and STILL gaining lean mass, which macronutrient split would be ideal for accomplishing that?

33/33/33 seems interesting. cept where's the other 1 %? haha

No, I think he meant different people put the order of those percentages differently.

For instance a 40/40/20 split to one person might be protein/carbs/fat. While to another person it might be protein/fat/carbs.

Big difference.

[PumpingIron]

I meant both.

But thanks for the clarification.

I personally use 50P/35C/15F and see decent gains while keeping lean.

[beebab]

Originally Posted by MakaveliThaDon

No, I think he meant different people put the order of those percentages differently.

For instance a 40/40/20 split to one person might be protein/carbs/fat. While to another person it might be protein/fat/carbs.

Big difference.

Ohhhh. yeah alright. i know, that's a huge difference. i should have clarified the order in the beginning.

i always assume a protein/ carb/ fat split. i guess different people have different interpretations of that, but for the purposes of this discussion that was the order I was inferring.

but this opens up some good discussion, since by that logic there are countless different splits you can have.

[beebab]

Originally Posted by PumpingIron

I meant both.

But thanks for the clarification.

I personally use 50P/35C/15F and see decent gains while keeping lean.

that sounds pretty reasonable. i usually stick with 40/40/20 myself, but were I to work on cutting and gaining lean mass that's a split i might wanna try.

[CROWLER]

I see people say 40/40/20 which I am usually at about that.

But then I see people say that 500 grams of protein is WAY too much. Well if you need 5000 cals a day how you going to do the 40/40/20?


CROWLER

[Distilled Water]

Originally Posted by PumpingIron

I meant both.

But thanks for the clarification.

I personally use 50P/35C/15F and see decent gains while keeping lean.

I agree, For myself to stay real lean I have to eat at about this split to put on lean mass or when dieting.

I bulk w/ a 40/40/20 to kinda stay lean, only adding maybe a 1/2" to my waist and .5 or 1% BF over about 6-8 weeks.

For an all out bulk (winter time when i never take my shirt off) I follow about a 30/50/20 split

[ItsHectic]

I pray for the day where 33/34/33 becomes the way to go.

[SteelEntity]

0/0/100, gotta beat that anorexia

[Iron Warrior]

For cutting I like 50% protein, 30% carbs, 20% fat
Bulking/Recomp I like 40% protein, 40% carbs, 20% fat

[mcneely011]

I don't really like using percentages. I'll quasi quote something from alan aragon's book. He suggests assigning fairly constant numbers for protein and fat (atleast 1 gram of protein per pound of target body weight and .4-.5 grams of fat per pound of tar. bdy. weight). Then however many calories you are trying to consume after that, you fill with carbs. So basically, what you are trying to do body composition wise determines how many carbs you eat; this makes the most sense to me.

[mbj0186]

One should never go below 40% carbohydrates to lose bodyfat. A certain amount of carbohydrate is needed in the diet to effectively burn fat as fuel. Carbohydrates are the "primer" for igniting the fat burning process.

I like 40/30/30 (C,P,F) split. If your cutting carbs you will need fat in your diet to keep your calories up and prevent muscle wasting.

[vgenest66]

In my opinion, there's no evidence that one should not get below 40% carbohydrates. The choice of your macronutrient ratio depends on your body's ability to handle carbohydrates. Some people react extremely well to low carb diets, ( Think about the anabolic diet, worked great for a lot of people) and some other people just cannot stand those diets.

I honestly think that there is no such "perfect" ratio that would fit everyone. It's up to one to experiment and find the ratio that fits with his/her body.

I use a 33/33/33 ratio for workout days and I lower the carbohydrates on non-trainning days.

[beebab]

i think splits should be goal-oriented. if you're bulking, you're most likely going to opt for a split that loads up on carbs and healthy fats, while maintaining a high protein intake. if you're eating simply to maintain and accrue lean mass, 40/40/20 is probably your best bet. likewise, 50/35/15 or something along those lines is ideal for cutting.