How bad is diet soda? Will it interact with supplements?

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by jjohn View Post
    IMO, this is all politics, and money. Just like the hybrid cars were made years ago, we all knew it was bad for tha planet. and the gas companies stopped them from hitting the market. Now we don't have a choice, or we'll just die. Tobacco and alcohol are the same.
    Don't you think the soda companies probably also have a hand in what the FDA then says about artificial sweeteners? They wouldn't want the FDA to take it off the market either, and the soda companies probably have deeper pockets than the tobacco companies.

    I'm not saying the artificial sweeteners are good or bad. Just that you shouldn't look to the FDA to have us good citizens in their best interest. Ultimately, like you said, they are controlled by politicains and money. That includes tobacco and possibly artificial sweeteners as well.

    Who knows if we'll ever know the truth about some of the things we ingest.


  2. IMO, we'll have to know one day or another, but the bad news are that it will be replaced eventually (sucralose) that might even be worse. We live in a society that wants to have everything with no effort. Same goes for those too good to be true diet sodas... We want all the sweet taste, without the calories. I have heard about a cop that used to drink 10 diet cokes a day, and was diagnosed with brain cancer. Coincidence? I ain't so sure..
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  3. I work in research and things can be changed around to look good. Now the FDA is tough to get through but research is only done for a short time and if things don't die in that time span then it concidered okay. Well these people who are being diagnoed with neuro issues have been consumming diet drinks and /or products for short times or long times. that is my 2 cents

  4. Quote Originally Posted by live4fitness View Post
    I work in research and things can be changed around to look good. Now the FDA is tough to get through but research is only done for a short time and if things don't die in that time span then it concidered okay. Well these people who are being diagnoed with neuro issues have been consumming diet drinks and /or products for short times or long times. that is my 2 cents
    thats just it! if it was really safe, you would see actuall human studies in splenda that run for more than 8 weeks.
    you would see other studies done on it not funded by the manufacturers.

    but no...

  5. There are lots of reasons that studies for splenda, etc don't go past 8 weeks. For one, nobody cares to fund a super long term research study where a cohort of diet soda drinks are followed over extended periods of time. Its just not a huge concern.
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  6. I care. Don't you care about the risks (your health)? What about a 8 week study on tobacco. Hmmm. Tobacco seems to cause no damage on an 8 week study..

  7. Quote Originally Posted by jjohn View Post
    What about a 8 week study on tobacco. Hmmm. Tobacco seems to cause no damage on an 8 week study..
    Good point...

  8. Diet sodas would not exist if someone did not demonize sugar.

    Sugar is not a poison. People that have problems with sugar are genetically incapable of processing it(diabetics) or they are using way too much (super size me)

    The key is individual tolerance (GTF)
    and controlled moderation.

    The whole sugar is bad campaign started because of shortages due to the fact that sugar trading countries were not friendly toward the US(communists)

    Most sugar substitutes are chemically based on industrial byproducts. (carbon bonds or alcohols structures)

  9. Quote Originally Posted by anabolicrhino View Post
    Diet sodas would not exist if someone did not demonize sugar.

    Sugar is not a poison. People that have problems with sugar are genetically incapable of processing it(diabetics) or they are using way too much (super size me)

    The key is individual tolerance (GTF)
    and controlled moderation.

    The whole sugar is bad campaign started because of shortages due to the fact that sugar trading countries were not friendly toward the US(communists)

    Most sugar substitutes are chemically based on industrial byproducts. (carbon bonds or alcohols structures)
    100% agree.

    for those interested in hearing the mounting evidence against splenda and why it was created(a lot of negative 3rd party studies started appearing on nutrasweet) just google splenda and mercola.

    as always, make up your own mind, but always remember. why you think is right may not be.

    be safe.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by jjohn View Post
    I care. Don't you care about the risks (your health)? What about a 8 week study on tobacco. Hmmm. Tobacco seems to cause no damage on an 8 week study..
    All sugar alternative consuming people are not experiencing an abnormally high rate of deadly diseases, either. We've had sugar alternatives for long periods of time.

    And yes, damage would be found in an 8 week study of tobacco by the way. Not only would we be able to track damage done by things like carbon monoxide, which out-compete oxygen for binding position on red blood cells, but also pollutants in the smoke and almost immediately track damage done to villi by nicotine, which paralyzes villi--removing their ability to expel the pollutants you coated your lungs in. Cant' blame you for bring up that example though; most people wouldn't know any better.

    Damage can be seen from smoking right away--that doesn't mean you'll develop a deadly disease right away though.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by kwyckemynd00 View Post
    There are lots of reasons that studies for splenda, etc don't go past 8 weeks. For one, nobody cares to fund a super long term research study where a cohort of diet soda drinks are followed over extended periods of time. Its just not a huge concern.
    Nutrasweet made me quite ill for awhile. I was drinking about three diet pepsi's per day. After several months of this I began to get severe headaches and dizzy spells. They lasted for about a month and it was every day almost all day long. I would walk down the hall and it felt as though I was walking on the side of a hill. I began to think that something was seriously wrong. A co-worker suggested that I lay off the diet sodas to see if there was any correlation. After 2 days the headaches were gone and within 4 days the dizzy spells were gone. At this point I avoid nutrasweet at all costs and try to buy diet Rite or Pepsi One. I've had no noticeable effects from Splenda.

  12. the US military does not allow pilots to drink diet soda before they fly because of the dizziness factor!

  13. I wouldn't doubt that at all.

    But at the same time, that's not an indication that diet sodas are toxic to everyone.

    If aspartame causes some people to have adverse reactions you can add it to the list of natural and healthy things that do as well.

    The ONLY argument against aspartame I've ever seen is because of its methanol content, and again, it contains less methanol than an apple (by a factor of 1/2) per packet of aspartame.

    There is one instance where that number may vary. If stored at 185 degrees Fahrenheit over the course of MONTHS that number of methanol will increase by about 4 fold.

    Lets get real with ourselves here people. Some people can be so sensitive to even niacin (vitamin b3) that amounts most people would have absolutely no problems with will make them super flush, hot, and dizziness.

  14. How many of you guys ensure that the supplements that you take have received a study longer than 8 weeks?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by jjohn View Post
    I have heard about a cop that used to drink 10 diet cokes a day, and was diagnosed with brain cancer. Coincidence? I ain't so sure..

    there are hundreds of thousands of others that consumed that much and NEVER had any complications, myself included. A single isolated incidence does not base credibility to any cause/effect relation.

  16. No kidding.

    I'm sure somewhere there was a person who "ate 10 apples a day" and got brain cancer, too.

  17. I drink 3-4 Muscle Milk shakes per day and don't have a cold...maybe that's a cure?

  18. Or it could be the power of posting on AM.com

  19. Hmmm...very possible!

  20. I thought I would chip in and agree with kwyck here (wtf is going on?).

    There is no evidence that aspartame or sucralose are detrimental to your health or physique; none.

    On a side note, jjohn, you are a supplement whore. To the effect that you made countless numbers of ridiculous posts and threads in order to garner free supplements. For you, to question the efficacy of artificial sweetners after consuming copius amounts of similarly untested supplements is ridiculous.

    [not picking on you, just proving a point]

  21. When would we not agree? WTF? I <3 joo.

  22. Awwww. Fanks poo-poo bear!

    We totally p0wnz n00Bz n' ****!

  23. Its hard to argue a point from your knees, doesnt mean its not a good point, lol.

    Im honored my 2000th post could be such filth.

  24. what do you think they sweeten all of your delicious protein shakes, creatines, pre-workout cocktails, etc. with?? artificial sweeteners! just thought that was an interesting point. You dont need to just drink diet soda to have a rather large consumption of artificial sweeteners. Even the most avid anti-diet soda bodybuilder probably takes in a relatively massive dose w/ their shakes, and other workout-related drinks

  25. Quote Originally Posted by HARDtotheCORE View Post
    what do you think they sweeten all of your delicious protein shakes, creatines, pre-workout cocktails, etc. with?? artificial sweeteners! just thought that was an interesting point. You dont need to just drink diet soda to have a rather large consumption of artificial sweeteners. Even the most avid anti-diet soda bodybuilder probably takes in a relatively massive dose w/ their shakes, and other workout-related drinks

    true dat, some things are 100% unavoidable but others like protein shakes are easily solved. companies like optimum nutrition are coming up with an all natural no artifical sweetner protein.

    coincidence? maybe...
    everybody who is interested should look into this and make up you own mind. if you feel the evidence(circumstantial or whatever) mounts against them do not use it.
    if you think otherwise then go ahead and splenda everything

    its a personal choice in this chemical age!
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