to colon cleanse or not to colon cleanse?

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  1. I try to take a balanced view on this. Certainly, I feel conventional medicine (CV) has it's place in fixing what's broke. If I get hit by a bus, then by golly I will be seeing a surgeon versus an acupuncturist.

    As part of my lifestyle I use lots of preventative medicine and I have even gotten pretty good at healing/curing a number of illnesses and conditions. Many of these treatments would be frowned upon or actively discouraged by a regular doc..but they work and as far as I am concerned I have every right to treat myself how I see fit.

    Both forms of medicine have their strengths and weaknesses. The most important thing is to be able to recognize what those are and when/how to use them. CV can usually get you the best diagnosis but there are plenty of exceptions to this. CV is woefully behind the times in things like endocrinology.

    My big complaint about CV is that it has fallen prey to our culture of convenience almost as if it thinks it has to give everyone the easy way out to stay in business. Many patients need some tough love instead of a pill. "Fix your diet, then we'll give you the pills" should be a mantra.

    As for colon cleansing..I've done it several times and I think it has value. I did experience improved digestion/defication and energy. I use psyllium regularly, and NO, I am not dependent upon them. Diet should be the main way to get your fiber, but given that this can be tough on a BBing style diet, a little extra fiber from other sources is not a bad idea.

    I'm on the fence about the whole parasite thing. Certainly, there are a lot of parasites out there and it's the one feild where you can discover new species ALL the time. They may play a bigger role in disease than we thought, but I've also seen some outrageous claims in this regard stating that parasite cleanses will cure you of every disease known to man. That I cannot quite buy into.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by AnonyMoose View Post
    i was reading your initial question and a few more thoughts came to mind -

    these types of cleanses are somewhat taxing to your system. if you are currently on a ph cycle - now may not be the time to do this as these also tax your system. i also believe that you will not get the full benefits of any supplementation you are taking in.

    i see that you are using the probiotics. are you using milk with your protein and is is laxtose free? i would consider thought riding out the cycle and current discomfort then when you are on your rest after post cycle therapy - considering building the flora up. you can find products for this where they have the cleasning and detox supplements at most health food stores.

    I use BSN syntha 6 protein with water. I am considering just switching the type of protein powder I get once this tub runs out. I may not need a cleanse if that works. But I definitely won't do any cleansing until after the cycle is over.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by sourcheese View Post
    I think its complete and utter bull****. Where and how and why do I make that assumption? do I have credit for it? yes. Im a 6 year bachelors prepared med surg nurse on a post operative gi floor. These "cleansers" are great way to cleanse your wallet of money.

    What do they "cleanse" you of? Most often they say .. you know... toxins....

    What toxins?

    Um, the stuff that builds up in your cologn.. you know... the toxic stuff.

    guess what, your body is amazing at getting rid of these "toxins" themselves, and in many cases these "cleanses" will take out your natural intestinal flora.

    What happens when it comes back? Oooh... thats so much fun.... c-diff, e-coli, I have seen it gi complications first hand on my floor from 3 different people who take these amazing cleanses..


    They got cleansed all right.

    if you really want to assist your bodies NATURAL ability to cleanse itself, eat more leafy greens, and drink more water. Its amazing how much more healthy that is for you.

    Unless you just want to see what kind of amazing crap you can create, stay away from the cleanses.


    And most of the time the amazing stuff you push out, is whatever is in the cleanse combined with your natural mucosa in your instestance... forms some funky stuff. And pushing things faster out of your intestance than should be robs you of presious vitamins, minerals, amino acids, water... the stuff you dont want to loose when training. The reason is because in your intestance this is where ALL of that is absorbed. If you take some of these cleansers, it just shoots it all out without getting the chance to be absorbed by the little blood vessels and enzymes inside you instestance.

    Thats why medamucil states in it that it will interfear with medication if you take in up to 2 hours before or after taking meds. Because your body wont absorb the medications. The fiber just smashes threw your intestance, taking all the good stuff with it.

    Another issue is that peoples colongs get "addicted" to laxitives and cleanses. The only way your lower gi system works properly after awhile is using them. This is because after repeated use, you no longer allow your gi tract to work the way it should, its being assisted, and for lack of better words, becomes lazy.

    Enough of my rant. People who tend to believe what someone artfuly says on the internet to be fact will ignore the realities of what is real and what is not and will probobly go do it anyway.\

    And dont get me started on those bull**** liver cleanses. Stuff you combine together and drink, + bile and other crap and acid in your stomach = some crazy soap stones.

    You do an mri before a liver cleanse and its doesnt show these tons and tons of little stones. God. if you had all those stones in you, you would be one hurting mofo. You would practicaly rattle if you did jumping jacks or anything.
    While I respect what you are trying to do, I think your view point is somewhat skewed. Most of the better cleanses out there are fiber based. Not a laxative, and therefore little chance of dependence (I would not reccomend senna for that very reason) Regadless of what the establishment might think, you are not taking into account that the vast majority of people don't get enough fiber to begin with which leads to the buildup of fecal matter on the colon.

    Second, I agree that the human body is amazing at ridding itself of toxins, but we have not kept up pace in our evolution with all the crap that poisons our bodies on a regular basis. These are pretty much too numerous to list, but I don't think cave men were eating fast food, pumping gas, washing their hands with antibacterial soap, using antiperspirents etc. So my unscientific opinion is that the body needs a little help once in awhile.

    Lastly, with all science aside, I also know someone who is on the Natura colonix program and he crapped out soething that was the size of a bicycle tire made up of a rubbery fecal substance. I do not know what it is or was, but I bet the medical community would not reccomend leaving something like that in your digestive tract.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by sourcheese View Post
    Ive been brainwashed by the medical community? I am apart of the medical community. Im apart of that estabilishment wich saves lives, which heals your grandmother of her pnumonia, which gives a cardiac stent so they live 10 years longer than they should, which treats someones chf so they dont die. Some herbal stuff works. but I honestly would be interested in knowing why you think the medical community would lie about something like this.

    and do you really believe that advice of a healthy diet with plenty of veggies over taking a colong cleanse is bad advice? Youve been brainwashed by the hippy agenda!
    I thought that it was spelled "colon." Didn't you have six years of med school? I thought it was a typo at first but you spelled it like that in every post. Perhaps "cologn" is latin or something...and I'M the idiot? If so...boy will my face be red.

  5. I'm with sourcheese. If you have a serious condition, all bets are off; until then, you don't need a 'cleanser', you need to change your diet.

    The whole 'parasite' thing is the new catchword, the 'malaise of the moment', if you will. It's an excuse to remove blame for your constipation/diarrhea/bowel issue/obesity from yourself and the diet you are ultimately responsible for.

    And it's 100% true: these cleaners do plenty of damage when they're laxative based.

    As an aside, a friend of mine went through Stanford Medical school, and now is Director of EMS for Jackson County in Wyoming. He's seen it first hand: unless you have a serious condition, your body is not storing stuff in mysterious folds or creases in the intestinal tract. Period.

  6. Try the colonix, and when you **** out a rubber chicken or an inner tube, you will be convinced. I have pictures to back this up.

  7. Did you ever think that maybe 1) the cleanser changes the consistancy of your ****, in other words instead of coming out normal, it comes out 'different', or 2) that crapping out all the good stuff with the bad looks different, or 3) that its forcing stuff out before it should be or is digested properly?

  8. an as a side note, I dont spell that great. and I dont bother with a spell check sometimes.

  9. Colonix or something like Renew Life for a cleanse newbie? I'd like to give it a real shot!

    However, I'm not looking to fast for a week or anything crazy like that!

    somebody feel free to chime in and help a newbie out!

    Thanks Jon

  10. Quote Originally Posted by poison View Post
    Did you ever think that maybe 1) the cleanser changes the consistancy of your ****, in other words instead of coming out normal, it comes out 'different', or 2) that crapping out all the good stuff with the bad looks different, or 3) that its forcing stuff out before it should be or is digested properly?
    You certainly raise a good couple of questions. 1. is certainly legitimate, but there is 3 to 5 times the normal bulk.
    2. is hard for me to answer because I am not an expert on the "Good stuff" inside ones colon aside from beneficial bacteria. I did not think they took up that much space though.
    3. By the looks of the stuff that comes out, it should have digested aeons ago but just has not.

    There are certainly arguments on both sides, but my opinion on the non laxative cleanses is that, they are not harmful, and are at the very least, an overpriced fiber supplement. However they may be doing quite a bit of good too. I myself have not seen any compeling reason not to cleanse.
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  11. The Mainstream View....


    Ernst E. J Clin Gastroenterol. 1997 Jun;24(4):196-8.

    Colonic irrigation and the theory of autointoxication: a triumph of ignorance over science.

    Autointoxication is an ancient theory based on the belief that intestinal waste products can poison the body and are a major contributor to many, if not all, diseases. In the 19th century, it was the ruling doctrine of medicine and led "colonic quackery" in various guises. By the turn of the century, it had received some apparent backing from science. When it became clear that the scientific rationale was wrong and colonic irrigation was not merely useless but potentially dangerous, it was exposed as quackery and subsequently went into a decline. Today we are witnessing a resurgence of colonic irrigation based on little less than the old bogus claims and the impressive power of vested interests. Even today's experts on colonic irrigation can only provide theories and anecdotes in its support. It seems, therefore, that ignorance is celebrating a triumph over science.


  12. Alan, that's colon irrigation, not taking laxatives or herbal regimens. The end result is likely the same, though.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by bioman View Post
    I try to take a balanced view on this. Certainly, I feel conventional medicine (CV) has it's place in fixing what's broke. If I get hit by a bus, then by golly I will be seeing a surgeon versus an acupuncturist.

    As part of my lifestyle I use lots of preventative medicine and I have even gotten pretty good at healing/curing a number of illnesses and conditions. Many of these treatments would be frowned upon or actively discouraged by a regular doc..but they work and as far as I am concerned I have every right to treat myself how I see fit.

    Both forms of medicine have their strengths and weaknesses. The most important thing is to be able to recognize what those are and when/how to use them. CV can usually get you the best diagnosis but there are plenty of exceptions to this. CV is woefully behind the times in things like endocrinology.

    My big complaint about CV is that it has fallen prey to our culture of convenience almost as if it thinks it has to give everyone the easy way out to stay in business. Many patients need some tough love instead of a pill. "Fix your diet, then we'll give you the pills" should be a mantra.

    As for colon cleansing..I've done it several times and I think it has value. I did experience improved digestion/defication and energy. I use psyllium regularly, and NO, I am not dependent upon them. Diet should be the main way to get your fiber, but given that this can be tough on a BBing style diet, a little extra fiber from other sources is not a bad idea.

    I'm on the fence about the whole parasite thing. Certainly, there are a lot of parasites out there and it's the one feild where you can discover new species ALL the time. They may play a bigger role in disease than we thought, but I've also seen some outrageous claims in this regard stating that parasite cleanses will cure you of every disease known to man. That I cannot quite buy into.
    I think your position is well thought out and makes sense. In fact, I have a rather similar position as well. Learning to live a life that focuses on more on long term adjustments and preventions is a smarter way to live in my opinion. However, sometimes on these boards I often feel people seem to have an overall distrust and disgust for the medical community which I think is sad.
    In regards to the colon cleansing, I have never done it. However, I considered it and just simply passed on it because I could not determine from the evidence I read if it was actually even worth it.

  14. On a side note, there is a movie called "The road to wellsville" that treats this topic in a pretty funny way. It's probably about 10 to 15 years old.

  15. I wouldnt take laxitives on a regular basis unless you want to lose your bowel control. I tried colonic irrigation once and im going back again soon for some more. I think they are beneficial and really help your body get rid of some serious toxins and get some balance back. I felt really good after it.

    As far as stool samples go, you really need to get a good one done. There are good and bad ones. I did an average one the first time which came back all clear. Then I tried a more comprehensive one where they grow the bacteria for almost a month to get a true picture of whats going on and it told a different story altogether. I had some serious problems that needed very strong antibiotics to fix. The question now for me is, will my bacteria stay balanced or will they get out of control again. I hear what you eat can change your flora and so can stress. Seems kinda touchy to me, but I am about to retest so I will see where its at.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76 View Post
    BLAH BLAH BLAH

    You have been brainwashed by the medical establishment. Here, I have a pill for you.
    When things become sluggish you may want to look into thyroid, adrenals, and other estrogen imbalance. Too much estrogen can reduce serotonin as well as not enough. Things have to be kept in balance in order to function properly..
    Try fiber hempseed works or flaxseed ground up if that does not work then food allergie (milk, gluten, eggs, ect) then thyroid would be next best place.

    IBS is a bull **** term for drs do not know because they are too lazy to look into the cause of the problem which usuall stems from nutrient imbalances and also liver congestion, endocrine imbalances.. You want to clean out colon go on a fast for a few days with some veggie juices let body clean it naturally..

  17. Quote Originally Posted by hardasnails1973 View Post

    IBS is a bull **** term for drs do not know because they are too lazy to look into the cause of the problem which usuall stems from nutrient imbalances and also liver congestion, endocrine imbalances.. You want to clean out colon go on a fast for a few days with some veggie juices let body clean it naturally..
    I could not agree more.

  18. I wanna see that ****

  19. Showtime - Series - Penn & Teller: Bull****!: Detoxing - Main

    I think I recall seeing this one awhile back, such a great show.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by sourcheese View Post
    I think its complete and utter bull****. Where and how and why do I make that assumption? do I have credit for it? yes. Im a 6 year bachelors prepared med surg nurse on a post operative gi floor. These "cleansers" are great way to cleanse your wallet of money.

    What do they "cleanse" you of? Most often they say .. you know... toxins....

    What toxins?

    Um, the stuff that builds up in your cologn.. you know... the toxic stuff.

    guess what, your body is amazing at getting rid of these "toxins" themselves, and in many cases these "cleanses" will take out your natural intestinal flora.

    What happens when it comes back? Oooh... thats so much fun.... c-diff, e-coli, I have seen it gi complications first hand on my floor from 3 different people who take these amazing cleanses..


    They got cleansed all right.

    if you really want to assist your bodies NATURAL ability to cleanse itself, eat more leafy greens, and drink more water. Its amazing how much more healthy that is for you.

    Unless you just want to see what kind of amazing crap you can create, stay away from the cleanses.


    And most of the time the amazing stuff you push out, is whatever is in the cleanse combined with your natural mucosa in your instestance... forms some funky stuff. And pushing things faster out of your intestance than should be robs you of presious vitamins, minerals, amino acids, water... the stuff you dont want to loose when training. The reason is because in your intestance this is where ALL of that is absorbed. If you take some of these cleansers, it just shoots it all out without getting the chance to be absorbed by the little blood vessels and enzymes inside you instestance.

    Thats why medamucil states in it that it will interfear with medication if you take in up to 2 hours before or after taking meds. Because your body wont absorb the medications. The fiber just smashes threw your intestance, taking all the good stuff with it.

    Another issue is that peoples colongs get "addicted" to laxitives and cleanses. The only way your lower gi system works properly after awhile is using them. This is because after repeated use, you no longer allow your gi tract to work the way it should, its being assisted, and for lack of better words, becomes lazy.

    Enough of my rant. People who tend to believe what someone artfuly says on the internet to be fact will ignore the realities of what is real and what is not and will probobly go do it anyway.\

    And dont get me started on those bull**** liver cleanses. Stuff you combine together and drink, + bile and other crap and acid in your stomach = some crazy soap stones.

    You do an mri before a liver cleanse and its doesnt show these tons and tons of little stones. God. if you had all those stones in you, you would be one hurting mofo. You would practicaly rattle if you did jumping jacks or anything.
    Sourcheese you must have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night by the way you spell and use certain words, I hope you don't move up from your nurse's aid position you retard.

  21. try RPN gut health, i'm having NO gas at all even with high protein intake. Starting on my second week atm.

  22. This thread has improved while I was gone.

  23. Just like the Vitavitavegamin episode of I Love Lucy...Equate Fiber Therapy, Sugar Free, Orange Flavor.

    Take a big spoonful after every meal



    Quote Originally Posted by livebono View Post
    I've been having some digestive troubles lately, which I attribute to my protein intake, which is fairly high, nothing major, just don't feel like I am "regular." To be more specific, I feel like I alternate between diarrhea and constipation. I also have gas and bloating problems

    I do take digestive enzymes, but they don't seem to be helping, so I've been pondering doing a colon cleanse

    My question is, how will this effect the supplements I'm taking? (I take a multi, fish oils, aminos, and am currently on a cycle of halodrol and winztrol) I don't want to do a colon cleanse and lose all of this stuff, if that's going to happen

    Any ideas?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by fatburner2007 View Post
    Just like the Vitavitavegamin episode of I Love Lucy...Equate Fiber Therapy, Sugar Free, Orange Flavor.

    Take a big spoonful after every meal

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuBAH0qbrpM"]YouTube - I Love Lucy Spoof 07-Lucy Does A Commerical[/ame]

  25. [nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVfBRRm7RgI&mode=relat ed&search="]YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.[/nomedia]

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Redeemer View Post
    While I respect what you are trying to do, I think your view point is somewhat skewed. Most of the better cleanses out there are fiber based. Not a laxative, and therefore little chance of dependence (I would not reccomend senna for that very reason) Regadless of what the establishment might think, you are not taking into account that the vast majority of people don't get enough fiber to begin with which leads to the buildup of fecal matter on the colon.

    Second, I agree that the human body is amazing at ridding itself of toxins, but we have not kept up pace in our evolution with all the crap that poisons our bodies on a regular basis. These are pretty much too numerous to list, but I don't think cave men were eating fast food, pumping gas, washing their hands with antibacterial soap, using antiperspirents etc. So my unscientific opinion is that the body needs a little help once in awhile.

    Lastly, with all science aside, I also know someone who is on the Natura colonix program and he crapped out soething that was the size of a bicycle tire made up of a rubbery fecal substance. I do not know what it is or was, but I bet the medical community would not reccomend leaving something like that in your digestive tract.

    Gastrointestinal Quackery: Colonics, Laxatives, and Morek

  27. So, the medical establishment has a scarecrow website. Whodathunk.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by Grunt76 View Post
    So, the medical establishment has a scarecrow website. Whodathunk.
    Go make some more unregulated health care "professionals" rich by buying their various cleanses to rid you of your paratises.

    LOL.

    What a sucker you are. Amazing that some great sales techniques got you to empty your wallet without doing any research beyond what you read on message boards or in the company's literature.

    Dope.

  29. It's pretty basic. Your body has adjusted to the parasites. Like how we live with E-Coli.
    I eat 3-4 yogurts a day and they are known to help digestion. Fiber as mentioned is huge. Laxative tear the S**t(no pun intended) out of you insides...yea how it burns coming out, imagine that on the inside. They will dry you out also. Use natural laxatives if anything, i.e. apple juice, grapes, watermelon etc. The yogurt thing works best for me i noticed after the first weak eating it regularyl 3-4 times a day i was more relaxed in the situation Also, before bed sometimes i would wake up to a nice little #2 which is a very nice way to start the day.
    take care and good luck with it.

  30. Ever since I developed a strong love for oats (I typically eat them raw in skim milk w/ some protein powder) my GI issues have settled immensely. With how most people on this board eat, additional fiber is a necessity in a BB'ers diet and is underrated in importance by many.
  

  
 

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