to colon cleanse or not to colon cleanse?
- 03-08-2007, 01:02 PM
I try to take a balanced view on this. Certainly, I feel conventional medicine (CV) has it's place in fixing what's broke. If I get hit by a bus, then by golly I will be seeing a surgeon versus an acupuncturist.
As part of my lifestyle I use lots of preventative medicine and I have even gotten pretty good at healing/curing a number of illnesses and conditions. Many of these treatments would be frowned upon or actively discouraged by a regular doc..but they work and as far as I am concerned I have every right to treat myself how I see fit.
Both forms of medicine have their strengths and weaknesses. The most important thing is to be able to recognize what those are and when/how to use them. CV can usually get you the best diagnosis but there are plenty of exceptions to this. CV is woefully behind the times in things like endocrinology.
My big complaint about CV is that it has fallen prey to our culture of convenience almost as if it thinks it has to give everyone the easy way out to stay in business. Many patients need some tough love instead of a pill. "Fix your diet, then we'll give you the pills" should be a mantra.
As for colon cleansing..I've done it several times and I think it has value. I did experience improved digestion/defication and energy. I use psyllium regularly, and NO, I am not dependent upon them. Diet should be the main way to get your fiber, but given that this can be tough on a BBing style diet, a little extra fiber from other sources is not a bad idea.
I'm on the fence about the whole parasite thing. Certainly, there are a lot of parasites out there and it's the one feild where you can discover new species ALL the time. They may play a bigger role in disease than we thought, but I've also seen some outrageous claims in this regard stating that parasite cleanses will cure you of every disease known to man. That I cannot quite buy into.
- 03-08-2007, 01:48 PM
- 03-31-2007, 09:57 AM
Second, I agree that the human body is amazing at ridding itself of toxins, but we have not kept up pace in our evolution with all the crap that poisons our bodies on a regular basis. These are pretty much too numerous to list, but I don't think cave men were eating fast food, pumping gas, washing their hands with antibacterial soap, using antiperspirents etc. So my unscientific opinion is that the body needs a little help once in awhile.
Lastly, with all science aside, I also know someone who is on the Natura colonix program and he crapped out soething that was the size of a bicycle tire made up of a rubbery fecal substance. I do not know what it is or was, but I bet the medical community would not reccomend leaving something like that in your digestive tract.
04-07-2007, 08:54 PM
04-08-2007, 06:34 PM
I'm with sourcheese. If you have a serious condition, all bets are off; until then, you don't need a 'cleanser', you need to change your diet.
The whole 'parasite' thing is the new catchword, the 'malaise of the moment', if you will. It's an excuse to remove blame for your constipation/diarrhea/bowel issue/obesity from yourself and the diet you are ultimately responsible for.
And it's 100% true: these cleaners do plenty of damage when they're laxative based.
As an aside, a friend of mine went through Stanford Medical school, and now is Director of EMS for Jackson County in Wyoming. He's seen it first hand: unless you have a serious condition, your body is not storing stuff in mysterious folds or creases in the intestinal tract. Period.
04-08-2007, 08:24 PM
Try the colonix, and when you **** out a rubber chicken or an inner tube, you will be convinced. I have pictures to back this up.
04-08-2007, 09:25 PM
Did you ever think that maybe 1) the cleanser changes the consistancy of your ****, in other words instead of coming out normal, it comes out 'different', or 2) that crapping out all the good stuff with the bad looks different, or 3) that its forcing stuff out before it should be or is digested properly?
04-08-2007, 10:34 PM
04-08-2007, 10:54 PM
Colonix or something like Renew Life for a cleanse newbie? I'd like to give it a real shot!
However, I'm not looking to fast for a week or anything crazy like that!
somebody feel free to chime in and help a newbie out!
04-09-2007, 01:53 PM
2. is hard for me to answer because I am not an expert on the "Good stuff" inside ones colon aside from beneficial bacteria. I did not think they took up that much space though.
3. By the looks of the stuff that comes out, it should have digested aeons ago but just has not.
There are certainly arguments on both sides, but my opinion on the non laxative cleanses is that, they are not harmful, and are at the very least, an overpriced fiber supplement. However they may be doing quite a bit of good too. I myself have not seen any compeling reason not to cleanse.
04-10-2007, 03:13 AM
The Mainstream View....
Ernst E. J Clin Gastroenterol. 1997 Jun;24(4):196-8.
Colonic irrigation and the theory of autointoxication: a triumph of ignorance over science.
Autointoxication is an ancient theory based on the belief that intestinal waste products can poison the body and are a major contributor to many, if not all, diseases. In the 19th century, it was the ruling doctrine of medicine and led "colonic quackery" in various guises. By the turn of the century, it had received some apparent backing from science. When it became clear that the scientific rationale was wrong and colonic irrigation was not merely useless but potentially dangerous, it was exposed as quackery and subsequently went into a decline. Today we are witnessing a resurgence of colonic irrigation based on little less than the old bogus claims and the impressive power of vested interests. Even today's experts on colonic irrigation can only provide theories and anecdotes in its support. It seems, therefore, that ignorance is celebrating a triumph over science.
04-10-2007, 12:04 PM
Alan, that's colon irrigation, not taking laxatives or herbal regimens. The end result is likely the same, though.
04-10-2007, 03:59 PM
In regards to the colon cleansing, I have never done it. However, I considered it and just simply passed on it because I could not determine from the evidence I read if it was actually even worth it.
04-11-2007, 08:28 AM
On a side note, there is a movie called "The road to wellsville" that treats this topic in a pretty funny way. It's probably about 10 to 15 years old.
04-11-2007, 11:54 AM
I wouldnt take laxitives on a regular basis unless you want to lose your bowel control. I tried colonic irrigation once and im going back again soon for some more. I think they are beneficial and really help your body get rid of some serious toxins and get some balance back. I felt really good after it.
As far as stool samples go, you really need to get a good one done. There are good and bad ones. I did an average one the first time which came back all clear. Then I tried a more comprehensive one where they grow the bacteria for almost a month to get a true picture of whats going on and it told a different story altogether. I had some serious problems that needed very strong antibiotics to fix. The question now for me is, will my bacteria stay balanced or will they get out of control again. I hear what you eat can change your flora and so can stress. Seems kinda touchy to me, but I am about to retest so I will see where its at.
04-11-2007, 04:33 PM
Try fiber hempseed works or flaxseed ground up if that does not work then food allergie (milk, gluten, eggs, ect) then thyroid would be next best place.
IBS is a bull **** term for drs do not know because they are too lazy to look into the cause of the problem which usuall stems from nutrient imbalances and also liver congestion, endocrine imbalances.. You want to clean out colon go on a fast for a few days with some veggie juices let body clean it naturally..
04-14-2007, 10:23 AM
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04-22-2007, 11:53 PM
try RPN gut health, i'm having NO gas at all even with high protein intake. Starting on my second week atm.
05-02-2007, 06:38 PM
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05-04-2007, 04:53 PM
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05-09-2007, 04:25 PM
What a sucker you are. Amazing that some great sales techniques got you to empty your wallet without doing any research beyond what you read on message boards or in the company's literature.
05-14-2007, 02:48 AM
It's pretty basic. Your body has adjusted to the parasites. Like how we live with E-Coli.
I eat 3-4 yogurts a day and they are known to help digestion. Fiber as mentioned is huge. Laxative tear the S**t(no pun intended) out of you insides...yea how it burns coming out, imagine that on the inside. They will dry you out also. Use natural laxatives if anything, i.e. apple juice, grapes, watermelon etc. The yogurt thing works best for me i noticed after the first weak eating it regularyl 3-4 times a day i was more relaxed in the situation Also, before bed sometimes i would wake up to a nice little #2 which is a very nice way to start the day.
take care and good luck with it.
05-28-2007, 07:12 PM
Ever since I developed a strong love for oats (I typically eat them raw in skim milk w/ some protein powder) my GI issues have settled immensely. With how most people on this board eat, additional fiber is a necessity in a BB'ers diet and is underrated in importance by many.
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