to colon cleanse or not to colon cleanse?
03-07-2007 03:04 PM
Ive been brainwashed by the medical community? I am apart of the medical community. Im apart of that estabilishment wich saves lives, which heals your grandmother of her pnumonia, which gives a cardiac stent so they live 10 years longer than they should, which treats someones chf so they dont die. Some herbal stuff works. but I honestly would be interested in knowing why you think the medical community would lie about something like this.
and do you really believe that advice of a healthy diet with plenty of veggies over taking a colong cleanse is bad advice? Youve been brainwashed by the hippy agenda!
03-07-2007 05:00 PM
Basically you have ZERO grounds for recommending a "healthy diet" _INSTEAD_ of a parasite cleanse. What do you make of the fact that over 75% of Americans have parasite infestations? Yes, it is now "normal". I guess that means we shouldn't do anything about it, right?
03-07-2007 05:06 PM
where the hell are these parasites? jesus man. where do you get your facts from. I have had maybe 100 patients in the past 2 months that have had parisite checks in stool collections for labs and I have seen literally 3 of them come positive. And these are people in the hospital for gi complications.
that makes 3 percent in an unhealthy elderly population... thats a FAR cry for 75 percent.
Also I wasnt even discusing "parisite cleanses".
Also you basicaly said that what I stated about colon cleanses was pure ****. excuse the pun. Am I wrong that your cologn will get addicted to laxative use, am I wrong when I describe how using them will interupt your bodies ability to absorb nutrients properly, am I wrong when I say using a proper diet is 100 times more effective and safer than using cologn cleansers, am I wrong when I say that with proper nutrition your body will heal itself...
and break down for me how infact I am wrong.
03-07-2007 06:01 PM
It would simply take much too long. 20 years from now you might "get it". Lots of parasites don't show up in stools.
03-07-2007 06:56 PM
ok now I know your trolling. it worked for a while, reps for you. have a good day.
03-07-2007 09:21 PM
Aside from the arguments, I appreciate the help, for now I am increasing my fiber intake, and once I've finished my cycle I'll look into solutions if I'm still having problems
I am currently taking Pro Performance Super Sport Enzyme, not too impressed with it, however, but I got it cheap
What digestive enzymes have you guys used?
03-07-2007 10:22 PM
the vast majority of parasites are microscopic. not everyone craps out 3 foot long tapeworms.
and don't tell me that cleanses do not work, for since i began mine, i have seen firsthand things pass out of me that look, smell, and feel (yes, i've taken a stick and played with my poo ) nothing like ANYTHING that i have ever passed in my life. if you tried it, you would agree. no question in my mind. as the old saying goes, 'don't knock it till you try it'.
i have nothing else to say other than it works, and i feel better than ever. you be the judge.
03-07-2007 10:26 PM
have you ever tried a cleanse? all my indigestion which i've fought with for the past two years stopped within 5 days of the cleanse. i have periodic allergy attacks as well, and have not had a single one in the time frame since my cleanse. something that i would NEVER thought would happen. i haven't felt this great since...well i can't even remember feeling this good.
Originally Posted by sourcheese
03-08-2007 10:16 AM
Here's my take...since I know you care! Preventative medicine in America blows! It is the best place to have a heart attack, but almost definitely the worst place to prevent one. Now I know that this isn't completely medicine's fault, but I feel like many physicians are too cautions (maybe they are afraid of malpractice? I honestly dunno...).
As far as herbals go, I think the reason the medical community (for the most part) isn't behind them is obvious.
E-Pharm Nutrition Representative
03-08-2007 11:51 AM
i was reading your initial question and a few more thoughts came to mind -
Originally Posted by livebono
these types of cleanses are somewhat taxing to your system. if you are currently on a ph cycle - now may not be the time to do this as these also tax your system. i also believe that you will not get the full benefits of any supplementation you are taking in.
i see that you are using the probiotics. are you using milk with your protein and is is laxtose free? i would consider thought riding out the cycle and current discomfort then when you are on your rest after pct - considering building the flora up. you can find products for this where they have the cleasning and detox supplements at most health food stores.
03-08-2007 12:02 PM
I try to take a balanced view on this. Certainly, I feel conventional medicine (CV) has it's place in fixing what's broke. If I get hit by a bus, then by golly I will be seeing a surgeon versus an acupuncturist.
As part of my lifestyle I use lots of preventative medicine and I have even gotten pretty good at healing/curing a number of illnesses and conditions. Many of these treatments would be frowned upon or actively discouraged by a regular doc..but they work and as far as I am concerned I have every right to treat myself how I see fit.
Both forms of medicine have their strengths and weaknesses. The most important thing is to be able to recognize what those are and when/how to use them. CV can usually get you the best diagnosis but there are plenty of exceptions to this. CV is woefully behind the times in things like endocrinology.
My big complaint about CV is that it has fallen prey to our culture of convenience almost as if it thinks it has to give everyone the easy way out to stay in business. Many patients need some tough love instead of a pill. "Fix your diet, then we'll give you the pills" should be a mantra.
As for colon cleansing..I've done it several times and I think it has value. I did experience improved digestion/defication and energy. I use psyllium regularly, and NO, I am not dependent upon them. Diet should be the main way to get your fiber, but given that this can be tough on a BBing style diet, a little extra fiber from other sources is not a bad idea.
I'm on the fence about the whole parasite thing. Certainly, there are a lot of parasites out there and it's the one feild where you can discover new species ALL the time. They may play a bigger role in disease than we thought, but I've also seen some outrageous claims in this regard stating that parasite cleanses will cure you of every disease known to man. That I cannot quite buy into.
03-08-2007 12:48 PM
Originally Posted by AnonyMoose
I use BSN syntha 6 protein with water. I am considering just switching the type of protein powder I get once this tub runs out. I may not need a cleanse if that works. But I definitely won't do any cleansing until after the cycle is over.
03-31-2007 08:57 AM
While I respect what you are trying to do, I think your view point is somewhat skewed. Most of the better cleanses out there are fiber based. Not a laxative, and therefore little chance of dependence (I would not reccomend senna for that very reason) Regadless of what the establishment might think, you are not taking into account that the vast majority of people don't get enough fiber to begin with which leads to the buildup of fecal matter on the colon.
Originally Posted by sourcheese
Second, I agree that the human body is amazing at ridding itself of toxins, but we have not kept up pace in our evolution with all the crap that poisons our bodies on a regular basis. These are pretty much too numerous to list, but I don't think cave men were eating fast food, pumping gas, washing their hands with antibacterial soap, using antiperspirents etc. So my unscientific opinion is that the body needs a little help once in awhile.
Lastly, with all science aside, I also know someone who is on the Natura colonix program and he crapped out soething that was the size of a bicycle tire made up of a rubbery fecal substance. I do not know what it is or was, but I bet the medical community would not reccomend leaving something like that in your digestive tract.
04-07-2007 07:54 PM
I thought that it was spelled "colon." Didn't you have six years of med school? I thought it was a typo at first but you spelled it like that in every post. Perhaps "cologn" is latin or something...and I'M the idiot? If so...boy will my face be red.
Originally Posted by sourcheese
04-08-2007 05:34 PM
I'm with sourcheese. If you have a serious condition, all bets are off; until then, you don't need a 'cleanser', you need to change your diet.
The whole 'parasite' thing is the new catchword, the 'malaise of the moment', if you will. It's an excuse to remove blame for your constipation/diarrhea/bowel issue/obesity from yourself and the diet you are ultimately responsible for.
And it's 100% true: these cleaners do plenty of damage when they're laxative based.
As an aside, a friend of mine went through Stanford Medical school, and now is Director of EMS for Jackson County in Wyoming. He's seen it first hand: unless you have a serious condition, your body is not storing stuff in mysterious folds or creases in the intestinal tract. Period.
04-08-2007 07:24 PM
Try the colonix, and when you **** out a rubber chicken or an inner tube, you will be convinced. I have pictures to back this up.
04-08-2007 08:25 PM
Did you ever think that maybe 1) the cleanser changes the consistancy of your ****, in other words instead of coming out normal, it comes out 'different', or 2) that crapping out all the good stuff with the bad looks different, or 3) that its forcing stuff out before it should be or is digested properly?
04-08-2007 09:34 PM
an as a side note, I dont spell that great. and I dont bother with a spell check sometimes.
04-08-2007 09:54 PM
Colonix or something like Renew Life for a cleanse newbie? I'd like to give it a real shot!
However, I'm not looking to fast for a week or anything crazy like that!
somebody feel free to chime in and help a newbie out!
04-09-2007 12:53 PM
You certainly raise a good couple of questions. 1. is certainly legitimate, but there is 3 to 5 times the normal bulk.
Originally Posted by poison
2. is hard for me to answer because I am not an expert on the "Good stuff" inside ones colon aside from beneficial bacteria. I did not think they took up that much space though.
3. By the looks of the stuff that comes out, it should have digested aeons ago but just has not.
There are certainly arguments on both sides, but my opinion on the non laxative cleanses is that, they are not harmful, and are at the very least, an overpriced fiber supplement. However they may be doing quite a bit of good too. I myself have not seen any compeling reason not to cleanse.
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