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    Quote Originally Posted by djbombsquad
    It is alright. For the price you are paying and the muscle gains I have got if any, it is not worth the money. IMO. Plus I felt more like it was a placibo effect. I have no way to prove that it really works. Vp2 seems to be decent as well. Optimium Nutrition is a joke. There ABS product is a joke as well. They market towards two differnt audiances.
    Why do you say Optimum Nutrition is a joke? Just curious, because it's really cheap, tastes all right, and most importantly, has been independently analyzed numerous times and always found to meet label claims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TeamSavage
    Why do you say Optimum Nutrition is a joke? Just curious, because it's really cheap, tastes all right, and most importantly, has been independently analyzed numerous times and always found to meet label claims.
    One Protein blend (whey protein isolate, whey protein concentrate, whey peptides), cocoa (processed with alkali), artifical flavor, lecithin, acesulfame potassium.

    I can't use whey concentrate any way as I stated earlier I am locatose intolerant. The fact that WPC is cheeper to make should say a lot. I am not deficent in artifical flavors any way. Very few studies have compared different whey protein supplements in terms of how they may affect muscle gains during lifting weights. However, simply because no research has investigated whether one type of whey may be better than another, however, all whey proteins are NOT the same with regard to what they offer the consumer interested in building a better physique. You must understand that many (if not all) companies that sell whey protein supplements actually buy cheap forms of whey and add a heap of flavoring, creatine etc in a feeble attempt to mask the low quality. Then they market the product to consumers as a premier whey protein supplement and the consumer is none the wiser. Supplement companies rarely become involved in research and you can bet your money that poor quality and an inability to meet label claims is the reason why. In today’s market, there are only two routes that supplement companies appear to take. The first is to resort to marketing their products with the biggest bunch of scientific-sounding bull**** they can come up with, or a company can invest in real research that examines the properties and effects of the products they sell. To me ON is marketing. Check the ingredients label on some whey protein supplements, it will surprise you what they really contain.
    I'll tell you one thing I think you’ll agree with. I'd prefer to buy my protein supplement from a company that has had the effectiveness of the product verified by research, rather than a company that makes Alice-in-Wonderland claims or at least been around the block for 25 to 50 years.
    This is what my friend got from ON in a email convo.

    From: "Amy Melone" <AMelone@optimumnutrition.co m>
    Date: 2006/09/25 Mon PM 12:16:46 EDT
    To: Daniel
    Subject: RE: RE: Optimum Contact Us Form: New Product

    We do not do clinical studies on our products.
    In general we do not make claims about what our products will do, we
    make claims about what our products have in them.
    The best way for you to determine if you would like to use our product
    or an alternate companies product is simply to do what what I suggested. Quite a large amount of information can be gathered about a product based upon the facts panels and ingredient statements. Let us take a whey protein for example. Our Whey is a blend. To avoid any confusion and dispel common myths, items in a blend do indeed have to fall in descending order of predominance. Some whey's products are just whey protein concentrate or mostly concentrate, these will have higher cholesterol, fat, and carbohydrates. Some of the much more expensive products will be all whey protein isolate, these will have lower fat, carbohydrates, and cholesterol. When Comparing products it is very important to compare serving size.

    other than the nutrition content of a product and a companies flavoring
    process, WPI is WPI, WPC is WPC, and HWP is HWP.
    -Original Message-----
    From: Daniel
    Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 5:47 PM
    To: Amy Melone
    Subject: Re: RE: Optimum Contact Us Form: New Product
    So cutting thru what you're trained to reply to your customers with, your COA's just represent that you got your products safely from your supplier correct? I'm asking you on what information YOU yourself or anyone ele in your company can provide me with proving that your products are superior to anyone else's. I've done my research and I know what types of proteins there are available and as a very intelligent and non-marketing influenced customer, I have done my research. Of course every company is going to say they take great pride in providing the public with "high quality protein", no company is going to be up front and say that their protein is low quality.

    Has ON conducted any clinical studies on their products proving their efficiency and proving that your products do what you claim they should? I'm not asking if you guys have certificates showing where you get your raw material from or if your company received your products in tact and safely.

    Please stick to the questions I'm providing and avoid providing me with answers for questions I didn't ask.

    Thank you!

    From: "Amy Melone" <AMelone@optimumnutrition.co m>
    Date: 2006/09/21 Thu PM 1256 EDT
    To: Daniel
    Subject: RE: Optimum Contact Us Form: New Product

    Daniel, Thank you for taking the time to contact us. Our company
    manufactures everything in house so we have a state of the art lab in
    our facility that provides COA's (certificates of analysis) for all of
    our products. There are hundreds of Whey protein manufactured by many companies. They are vary greatly either by the protein used (Whey protein isolate, hydrolyzed whey protein, whey peptides etc.) and the quality of all the ingredients used in the product. As a consumer I would suggest you do some research on which ever products you are interested in trying and you will see ingredient for ingredient the vast differences between one companies product over another's. Our company takes great pride in producing a high quality protein at a very affordable price. Hopefully this helps if you have any further questions feel free to contact me directly. Thank you!!!

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Daniel
    Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 1:11 PM
    To: Kelly Cunningham; Amy Melone
    Subject: Optimum Contact Us Form: New Product





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    Daniel
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    Hi there, I've been looking @ your 100% Whey for quite a bit now and
    I wanted to know if you had any published clinical studies proving that
    your product works over other company's. I understand this might come off a bit odd at first but it boggles me why there are so many different companies making the same product. How do I know your product is superior to the others? What proof can you provide me with as assurance that you are better than the rest out there?



    I'm aware of the studies that have been conducted on whey that
    therefore, proved the benefits of whey but what about YOUR whey protein products? I hope you can understand my concern and it would really clear alot of doubt from my mind if you could provide me with some form of assurance for my worries.



    Thank you and have a great day.



    Sincerely,

    Daniel
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    Hey Jim,

    Its John from Tennessee. I might be in hollywood in febuary ill let you know then anyhoo's Over at Bodybuilding dot com Patrick Arnold and other Guru's had a debate about WPI and WPC and if it really matters much.I ll try to locate the thread.

    When i have the money i always go after a WPI product with a high amino acid profile. OIt's easier on my stomach, when im in a rush and i dont have time to sit around and let it digest; otherwise, in the past my stomach has felt upset with WPC , just my expirence. So i say if you have a weak stomach go ith WPI.
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    allthewhey hands down, but there are other good ones out there as well, but im partial too them
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    Quote Originally Posted by smeton_yea
    Hey Jim,

    Its John from Tennessee. I might be in hollywood in febuary ill let you know then anyhoo's Over at Bodybuilding dot com Patrick Arnold and other Guru's had a debate about WPI and WPC and if it really matters much.I ll try to locate the thread.

    When i have the money i always go after a WPI product with a high amino acid profile. OIt's easier on my stomach, when im in a rush and i dont have time to sit around and let it digest; otherwise, in the past my stomach has felt upset with WPC , just my expirence. So i say if you have a weak stomach go ith WPI.
    I got bloated when taking wpc in the past and this was before I new I was lactose Intolerante. I had a awesome work out last night and had to servings of physique than 2 hours later had another 2 servings of physique than before bed I ate this mac and cheese in a bread thinggy which gave me another 700 calories. I am glad John feels the same way about protein. If you are going to use protein and the best is there use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbombsquad
    One Protein blend...
    Who cares if clinical trials have been conducted specifically on ON protein? There is tons of research that has been conducted on the various types of whey: WPC, WPI, hydrolyzed. Whether or not ON relies solely on the manufacturer's CofA, ON protein has been independently analyzed more than any other brand. And every single analysis, to my knowledge, has shown that ON products meet label claims and really do contain what they're supposed to. So we, as consumers, don't need to rely on just a CofA (which is pretty much what you're doing when you buy 95% of proteins), because ON has been independently analyzed more than once. Clinical research on ON products specifically would be nice but isn't necessary, since they are confirmed to contain the labeled amounts of WPC, WPI, etc., which have been clinically proven.

    Also, ON doesn't make a single whey product. They offer three levels: Classic, Gold Standard, and Pro Complex, each which offer varying amounts of WPC, WPI, hydrolyzed whey, etc. The Gold Standard and Pro Complex both contain lactase, making them tolerable even for lactose intolerant individuals (and the Pro Complex is mostly WPI anyway).

    I'm not sure what you mean by "To me, ON is marketing." Regardless of how much they market, they offer quality products that contain what they're supposed to contain (rare in the supplement industry). And ON is also one of the cheapest brands on the market, so it's not like you're paying more for that marketing.

    I'm not trying to shill for ON here; I'm sure there are other inexpensive, quality proteins on the market. But IMO they are one of the best, most consistent, most economical companies around.
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