Bobo and anyone else's opinion on Waxy Maize PWO?

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  1. Bobo and anyone else's opinion on Waxy Maize PWO?


    I've been reading a TON lately about using waxy maize immediately after workout then taking whey 20 minutes later .. a lot of people including some very respected trainers and prep guys swear by it

    just curious what people have to say about it?

    i currently use oats and whey pwo


  2. Quote Originally Posted by glenihan
    I've been reading a TON lately about using waxy maize immediately after workout then taking whey 20 minutes later .. a lot of people including some very respected trainers and prep guys swear by it

    just curious what people have to say about it?

    i currently use oats and whey pwo
    Reposted quote of mine:

    Ah, the hope & promise (AND PRICE) of the Swedish high-molecular mass waxy maize derivative called Vitargo. As far as I know, this product has one single solitary study backing it up:

    Entrez PubMed

    Notice in the above abstract that a whopping 300g of micronutrient-free Vitargo versus 300g obviously micronutrient-free glucose/glucose polymers was used! The Vitargo had about a 19% faster rate of glycogen resynthesis. Yes, that's a significant difference, but there remains a huge question mark about the real world applicability of the study design. Keep in mind this trial was carried out after glycogen depletion, & as I mentioned earlier, relative glycodepletion will vary among bodybuilding protocols. Last but not least: 300 effin' grams of carbohydrate? Can we get just a little closer to what typical non-triathlete trainees would ingest in the 4 hour period postexercise? I already mentioned that this stuff is expensive for what it actually is. For me personally, I'll literally & figuratively stomach the higher osmolality of other carb sources. If you have money to burn, and don't mind staking your finances on a single study whose reults haven't been replicated, & whose solitary research was more than likely funded by the Swedish manufacturer of Vitargo, then be my guest. I'd like to see some replication of results by some legit researchers who have no ties with the company. If I could get some free Vitargo, I'd yell out my window "Viva Sweden" or something like that.

  3. LOL I'm sensing that it may not be cost effective. Damn those swedes to hell. So it's like when muscletech has pictures of the "scientists" doing research in there ads. Are you saying those scientists work work the company so they may be biased? NO way Alan. Your way off brother.
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  4. I'm gonna go with no chance in hell. Oat flour it is for me.
    E-Pharm Nutrition Representative

  5. 1st IKEA, then waxy maize? When will the Swedes draw the line?

    I just don't see how a single (likely manufacturer-funded) study comparing 300g of postworkout glucose versus 300g of waxy maize starch is applicable outside of ultra-endurance athletes.
  6. Pricing


    Vitargo is expensive. However there are others selling wazy maize starch. I haven't checked pricing on the said vendor I have in mind but I would have to think it's much less, thus possibly falling reasonable into a cost/effeacy realm. No?

  7. It's about $7 per lb. at the only site I found that sells it in bulk. I've used it only post workout for a month or so and have seen good results w/ it.

  8. Where can you get it in bulk?

  9. Quote Originally Posted by mywetnightmares
    Where can you get it in bulk?
    It's not from a board sponsor so I don't think it can be posted. Not sure to be honest and don't feel like reading the rules over. But if you Google it I think you'll get to some.

  10. glen, i'm a traditional oats and whey guy as well. been using waxy with 20grams of BCAA's PWO for about a week now so it's still too early to tell but i will say this - it's messy as ****.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    glen, i'm a traditional oats and whey guy as well. been using waxy with 20grams of BCAA's PWO for about a week now so it's still too early to tell but i will say this - it's messy as ****.
    Yeah, I second the messy and clumpy as all hell notion. I will say that I feel fuller/harder after and for a good while after my workout.

    I typically hit weights:

    drink 50-60 grams Waxy Maise Starch
    20 grams BCAAS

    then do cardio for 30 minutes

    then take down about 50 grams WPI

    then 45min - hr later, take down a solid meal containing some slow releasing carbs..thing is for me that I have not been able to get to gym till 7-8 pm,so personally not likeing all the carbs that late, but physique still looking good, so....

  12. What I do is put 1.5 scoops (traditional size protein scoop) 1 serving of creatine (usually Xpand) and 5 or 10 grams of glutamine.

    I think the key difference is I make mine in the Blender Bottle w/ enough water. I never have clumping or mess issues. Try it that way, and I think you'll be fine.

  13. it's cost-effective at a certain store that is not a sponsor.

    Been saving mine for a while now... until the moment is right.

    let me know what you think Glen.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Ubiquitous
    it's cost-effective at a certain store that is not a sponsor.

    Been saving mine for a while now... until the moment is right.

    let me know what you think Glen.
    That's "TRUE". I thought the price there was reasonable. Plus it's not like you go through it that fast. I bought 5 lbs. and it's lasted me quite a while, taking it strictly post workout.

  15. yeah, i've got 8lbs of it and it'll probably last a couple months at this rate.

  16. Beelz, pick up a Blender Bottle and see how you like it in that. I really don't mind it at all that way.

  17. it's not as messy as it was when i started. i dug into it the first day like it was protein powder and the crap stuck to everything like glue. now, i just carry a separate protein shaker with the waxy already mixed up with water ready to go for PWO. the chocolate flavor with splenda is pretty tasty.

  18. even my NOW carbo gain clumps like that... it's like marshmellow clumps of sweet sweet heaven in my protein.

    So I'll be well adjusted to my wazy maize when the time comes.

  19. it doesn't clump for me when i mix it, it's just 'weird' to work with. same texture as flour.

  20. Tastes like watered down glue too. I didn't notice any huge effect from it when I was training with a certain someone who pushes it. I like my malto/dextrose combo just the same and it's even cheaper. That and it stains the **** out of about anything you wear if you spill it.
  21. Thumbs up


    I've been using WMS for the last 3 weeks and I love this stuff!!! My muscles stay fuller longer and I don't stay sore for 2-3 days after a workout. 50-80G PWO followed 20 mins later by 40-60g whey.

    Here's the way you mix it, warm the water up and use one of the little handheld blenders, I have a Braun and it works like a charm. Otherwise, you end up with some nasty a$$ed tasting wallpaper paste with chunks of wax in it.

    As for that study, yes, like all of them it was funded by the makers of the product. 300g, WTF? Sounds like a Cell Tech study to me, lol!!

    Oh yea, one final thought. DON'T PUT IT IN YOUR CAMELBAC, LOL!! I did this during my 2 long races this year and it ruined the bladder in it. I personally feel that this stuff is the reason I won the second 50 mile race. With regular carb sources I was getting bloated and felt like bloody sh!t, not the case with WMS.
    ROB

  22. Beelze....when you ordered your WM did you have them throw in the BCAA's to the mix or did you add them yourself seperately?

  23. ordered BCAA's separately. they don't mix for sh!t.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    ordered BCAA's separately. they don't mix for sh!t.
    I mixed up Crowler's BCAA's (excell) with my WM and it mixed up just fine. 2 Scoops WM and 2-3 tablespoons of excell and it wasn't that bad.

  25. BCAA's, more notably Leucine, are hydrophobic.. won't mix unless you leave to sit and saturate. This was brought up recently in another post.

    I wanted to add, I wonder how someone can really guage much of a difference in their gains/improvements between maltodex, WM, or any other post workout carb. Are some people really that tuned into their bodies to notice that? After all, it's just another carb that is assimilated fast.

  26. Too late now, I already ordered a mix of 80% WM to 20% BCAA's which amounts to about 69 grams carbs to 18 grams BCAA's.....

    I'll let ya know what I think.

    -Ryno

  27. I love that ****! I take it both pre and post workout and have been having great results with it. I feel fuller and stronger while using it. Definitely much better that malto.

  28. Heres a good thread on the topic over at intense.
    Waxy Maize experiment - come on guys - IntenseMuscle.com

  29. Quote Originally Posted by NickW
    I love that ****! I take it both pre and post workout and have been having great results with it. I feel fuller and stronger while using it. Definitely much better that malto.
    good to know.. methinks it's time for me to dip into my stores.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    glen, i'm a traditional oats and whey guy as well.

    yep same here fellas... if i'm feelin froggy i thro in some malto to make it creamy

  31. yeah, i throw a little "malto" in ubi's shakes for extra creaminess as well.

  32. Quote Originally Posted by glenihan
    I've been reading a TON lately about using waxy maize immediately after workout then taking whey 20 minutes later .. a lot of people including some very respected trainers and prep guys swear by it

    just curious what people have to say about it?

    i currently use oats and whey pwo

    Its funny, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

    I can find several threads on other forums in wihch people are swearing resuilts using NO carbs post workout. So you have one extreme to another and both sides swear it works.

    I think the question I have is, why use this?
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  33. the only difference i can report so far is that it 'feels' to digest quicker than oats, big break through there, lol.

  34. Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    the only difference i can report so far is that it 'feels' to digest quicker than oats, big break through there, lol.
    Well yeah, but so do smarties...

    lol


    Damn, I want some candy.
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  35. I have Hallowe'en candy.

    Beelze you told me you were using that little thing to stir with. Damn you.

  36. Quote Originally Posted by Ubiquitous
    I have candy.

    gimme..
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  37. smarties? who has smarties?

  38. dude, every grocery store/corner store in the country apparently has BAGS of candy.. I heard Canada has a buttload of Smarties.. it's crazy.. I've never seen anything like it before.. for something called "hallowe'en".. I'm stumped.. but doesn't mean I'm not happy. Bring on this new thing called Hallowe'en I say.. bring it on.

  39. as long as you take the traditional teabag, halloween is on as scheduled.

  40. traditional with a twist.. cinnamon nut crunch.. I bite down hard at the end.

    Backing out of the thread for good.
  

  
 

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