Bobo and anyone else's opinion on Waxy Maize PWO?
10-18-2006 06:07 PM
Bobo and anyone else's opinion on Waxy Maize PWO?
I've been reading a TON lately about using waxy maize immediately after workout then taking whey 20 minutes later .. a lot of people including some very respected trainers and prep guys swear by it
just curious what people have to say about it?
i currently use oats and whey pwo
10-18-2006 06:28 PM
Reposted quote of mine:
Originally Posted by glenihan
Ah, the hope & promise (AND PRICE) of the Swedish high-molecular mass waxy maize derivative called Vitargo. As far as I know, this product has one single solitary study backing it up:
Notice in the above abstract that a whopping 300g of micronutrient-free Vitargo versus 300g obviously micronutrient-free glucose/glucose polymers was used! The Vitargo had about a 19% faster rate of glycogen resynthesis. Yes, that's a significant difference, but there remains a huge question mark about the real world applicability of the study design. Keep in mind this trial was carried out after glycogen depletion, & as I mentioned earlier, relative glycodepletion will vary among bodybuilding protocols. Last but not least: 300 effin' grams of carbohydrate? Can we get just a little closer to what typical non-triathlete trainees would ingest in the 4 hour period postexercise? I already mentioned that this stuff is expensive for what it actually is. For me personally, I'll literally & figuratively stomach the higher osmolality of other carb sources. If you have money to burn, and don't mind staking your finances on a single study whose reults haven't been replicated, & whose solitary research was more than likely funded by the Swedish manufacturer of Vitargo, then be my guest. I'd like to see some replication of results by some legit researchers who have no ties with the company. If I could get some free Vitargo, I'd yell out my window "Viva Sweden" or something like that.
10-19-2006 08:27 AM
LOL I'm sensing that it may not be cost effective. Damn those swedes to hell. So it's like when muscletech has pictures of the "scientists" doing research in there ads. Are you saying those scientists work work the company so they may be biased? NO way Alan. Your way off brother.
Last edited by jminis; 10-20-2006 at 05:55 AM.
10-19-2006 12:30 PM
I'm gonna go with no chance in hell. Oat flour it is for me.
E-Pharm Nutrition Representative
10-19-2006 08:07 PM
1st IKEA, then waxy maize? When will the Swedes draw the line?
I just don't see how a single (likely manufacturer-funded) study comparing 300g of postworkout glucose versus 300g of waxy maize starch is applicable outside of ultra-endurance athletes.
10-19-2006 08:13 PM
Vitargo is expensive. However there are others selling wazy maize starch. I haven't checked pricing on the said vendor I have in mind but I would have to think it's much less, thus possibly falling reasonable into a cost/effeacy realm. No?
10-19-2006 11:08 PM
It's about $7 per lb. at the only site I found that sells it in bulk. I've used it only post workout for a month or so and have seen good results w/ it.
10-20-2006 08:38 AM
Kyra Gracie= my future wife
Where can you get it in bulk?
10-20-2006 09:41 AM
It's not from a board sponsor so I don't think it can be posted. Not sure to be honest and don't feel like reading the rules over. But if you Google it I think you'll get to some.
Originally Posted by mywetnightmares
10-20-2006 09:50 AM
glen, i'm a traditional oats and whey guy as well. been using waxy with 20grams of BCAA's PWO for about a week now so it's still too early to tell but i will say this - it's messy as ****.
10-20-2006 11:08 AM
Yeah, I second the messy and clumpy as all hell notion. I will say that I feel fuller/harder after and for a good while after my workout.
Originally Posted by Beelzebub
I typically hit weights:
drink 50-60 grams Waxy Maise Starch
20 grams BCAAS
then do cardio for 30 minutes
then take down about 50 grams WPI
then 45min - hr later, take down a solid meal containing some slow releasing carbs..thing is for me that I have not been able to get to gym till 7-8 pm,so personally not likeing all the carbs that late, but physique still looking good, so....
10-20-2006 12:40 PM
What I do is put 1.5 scoops (traditional size protein scoop) 1 serving of creatine (usually Xpand) and 5 or 10 grams of glutamine.
I think the key difference is I make mine in the Blender Bottle w/ enough water. I never have clumping or mess issues. Try it that way, and I think you'll be fine.
10-20-2006 01:00 PM
it's cost-effective at a certain store that is not a sponsor.
Been saving mine for a while now... until the moment is right.
let me know what you think Glen.
10-20-2006 01:20 PM
That's "TRUE". I thought the price there was reasonable. Plus it's not like you go through it that fast. I bought 5 lbs. and it's lasted me quite a while, taking it strictly post workout.
Originally Posted by Ubiquitous
10-20-2006 03:41 PM
yeah, i've got 8lbs of it and it'll probably last a couple months at this rate.
10-20-2006 04:17 PM
Beelz, pick up a Blender Bottle and see how you like it in that. I really don't mind it at all that way.
10-20-2006 04:20 PM
it's not as messy as it was when i started. i dug into it the first day like it was protein powder and the crap stuck to everything like glue. now, i just carry a separate protein shaker with the waxy already mixed up with water ready to go for PWO. the chocolate flavor with splenda is pretty tasty.
10-20-2006 04:29 PM
even my NOW carbo gain clumps like that... it's like marshmellow clumps of sweet sweet heaven in my protein.
So I'll be well adjusted to my wazy maize when the time comes.
10-20-2006 04:33 PM
it doesn't clump for me when i mix it, it's just 'weird' to work with. same texture as flour.
10-20-2006 05:30 PM
Tastes like watered down glue too. I didn't notice any huge effect from it when I was training with a certain someone who pushes it. I like my malto/dextrose combo just the same and it's even cheaper. That and it stains the **** out of about anything you wear if you spill it.
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