Bobo and anyone else's opinion on Waxy Maize PWO?

[nightfly71]

I was reading that over at intensemuscle they were going to be doing an experiment w/ WMS using a blood glucose meter to see the blood sugar response.

I'm guessing the reason to use it is that the proposed theory is that you get very rapid movement out of the stomach, but you're SUPPOSED to be able to get this effect w/o the big sugar spike and potential fat gain that comes from malto/dextrose, etc.

I may be wrong, but that's what I gather from it. If that experiment is able to show that this really happens the way they think it does, that would make for a very attractive PWO carb, I think.

[Beelzebub]

the experiment already started and is almost done on intensemuscle. each person bought a blood glucose meter w/strips and is taking waxy in different ways - first thing in the morning by itself, PWO by itself, PWO with BCAA's, PWO with BCAA's and CEE, etc. results should be interesting.

[Mulletsoldier]

dude, every grocery store/corner store in the country apparently has BAGS of candy.. I heard Canada has a buttload of Smarties.. it's crazy.. I've never seen anything like it before.. for something called "hallowe'en".. I'm stumped.. but doesn't mean I'm not happy. Bring on this new thing called Hallowe'en I say.. bring it on.

Do I smell Ubi's Canadian Invasion?

Man, that could be a movie.


I agree that the cost-effectiveness of this product is simply not enough to sway me away from methods which I know beyond a doubt are effective in my current application of them.

[Dwight Schrute]

I was reading that over at intensemuscle they were going to be doing an experiment w/ WMS using a blood glucose meter to see the blood sugar response.

I'm guessing the reason to use it is that the proposed theory is that you get very rapid movement out of the stomach, but you're SUPPOSED to be able to get this effect w/o the big sugar spike and potential fat gain that comes from malto/dextrose, etc.

I may be wrong, but that's what I gather from it. If that experiment is able to show that this really happens the way they think it does, that would make for a very attractive PWO carb, I think.

And this would benefit you how?

The same arguement goes for just about every insulin mimicker.

[Dwight Schrute]

the experiment already started and is almost done on intensemuscle. each person bought a blood glucose meter w/strips and is taking waxy in different ways - first thing in the morning by itself, PWO by itself, PWO with BCAA's, PWO with BCAA's and CEE, etc. results should be interesting.

Why?

[glenihan]

thanks for everyone's input!

Bobo i agree with you ... i'm not sure all this mumbo-jumbo amounts to anything (you can be sure because you know a hell of a lot more than i do ... so i'll just take your word for it) and while i greatly respect a lot of you that are getting good results from this (especially my BFFs Ubi and beelze) i'm not sure the results in terms of long-term gains are going to be any different

i've gotten great gains from my oats and whey and why fix what ain't broken?

[bioman]

It's more better sugar, man. If you're not using the latest sugar, you're just not hip enough to hang at BB.com. Oh wait, where AM I again?

[CROWLER]

waxy maize?

corn starch?

Discuss



CROWLER

[Dwight Schrute]

thanks for everyone's input!

Bobo i agree with you ... i'm not sure all this mumbo-jumbo amounts to anything (you can be sure because you know a hell of a lot more than i do ... so i'll just take your word for it) and while i greatly respect a lot of you that are getting good results from this (especially my BFFs Ubi and beelze) i'm not sure the results in terms of long-term gains are going to be any different

i've gotten great gains from my oats and whey and why fix what ain't broken?

I just remember them saying the same thing about Maltodextrin. Its faster, quicker and its a complex carb.

We know how that went.

I just don't understand why they used glucose meters when the fundamental question remains, where does it go? Faster absortion doens't mean increased skeletal muscle uptake and glycogen synthesis is not proportional to protein synthesis.

[Ubiquitous]

MethylSugar is the next big thing.. I invented it.. but it's just a segue for my Robotic Vagina machines... which will soon be in stores near you!

MethylSugar is a trademark of UbiCorp Enterprises.

Robotic Vagina is trademark of UbiSex Enterprises, a subsidiary of UbiCorp Enterprises.

I'm going to start cross promoting with Crowler. He's good with these types of things.

[Dwight Schrute]

[rysigpi]

Took the WM first time yesterday. I ordered a custom mix of 80% WM to 20% BCAA's with splenda as a sweetener and chocolate flavor. I took 100 grams of the mix so almost 80 grams WM and 20g BCAA's. I must say that it mixed okay....but god it tasted like horrid!!!! I took it right after weight training then I went and did 20 minutes cardio and then a little after cardio I had 1 cup ground oats, some strawberries and 60g WPI.

I will keep you all posted if I notice anything over my usually oats/whey combo.

[nightfly71]

And this would benefit you how?

The same arguement goes for just about every insulin mimicker.

If I'm not storing carbs as fat, I would consider that a benefit in and of itself. Not that I'm any sort of expert, but the theory behind WMS makes sense to me.

[Jason Pegg]

I like it for the fact that it results in absolutely ZERO bloat for me. Ive used up to 3 scoops of it PWO and not had any bloating issues at all. It definitely makes me feel fuller as well. For the record, Im starting my own little experiment of sorts next week...not sure how long it is going to run for.

For you guys who havent used the intense muscle type, let me say there is a HUGE difference between that and Vitargo, both in the effectiveness and consistency. the IM stuff is by far hands down better!

Jason

[Ubiquitous]

good, that's what I have.. and I've tried Vitargo before. thanks Jason.

[Jason Pegg]

good, that's what I have.. and I've tried Vitargo before. thanks Jason.

Yeah, you will find if you haven't tried the other that its a bet messy, but mixes so much easier than the Vitargo. The Vitargo used to clump in my blender bottle, and if you didnt drink it right away, you would end up with a 20oz serving of crappy jelly or jello consistency nasty ass "loaf" in your shaker. The WMS will settle, but not really gel, and it doesnt have the really nasty taste to it. I hate that vitargo stuff.

Jason

[nightfly71]

Yeah, you will find if you haven't tried the other that its a bet messy, but mixes so much easier than the Vitargo. The Vitargo used to clump in my blender bottle, and if you didnt drink it right away, you would end up with a 20oz serving of crappy jelly or jello consistency nasty ass "loaf" in your shaker. The WMS will settle, but not really gel, and it doesnt have the really nasty taste to it. I hate that vitargo stuff.

Jason

WMS mixes just fine in my blender bottle w/ creatine, aakg, etc.

[Jason Pegg]

WMS mixes just fine in my blender bottle w/ creatine, aakg, etc.

Mine as well. Its the stuff sold as Vitargo that sucks. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that.

Jason

[machwon04]

How do you mix oats and whey PWO? Just regular dry oatmeal and whey mixed w/ some water in a shaker? It doesn't need to sit and saturate or anything? What kind of oats are you guys getting?

[Jason Pegg]

How do you mix oats and whey PWO? Just regular dry oatmeal and whey mixed w/ some water in a shaker? It doesn't need to sit and saturate or anything? What kind of oats are you guys getting?

You can do it like that. Or, you can throw the uncooked oats in a coffegrinder and chop the **** out of them. Personal preference really.

Jason

[nightfly71]

You can do it like that. Or, you can throw the uncooked oats in a coffegrinder and chop the **** out of them. Personal preference really.

Jason

I grind my oats up dry in the Magic Bullet...then blend them w/ whatever in the blender part of the Bullet. I love that thing!

For a home made MRP, I'll use milk, PB, ground oats, protein powder, etc.

For post workout, you could just blend up the oats w/ the whey. For those of you just using oats and whey, how much oats do you use?

[Beelzebub]

coffee bean grinder works great for oatmeal.

[CROWLER]

How do you mix oats and whey PWO? Just regular dry oatmeal and whey mixed w/ some water in a shaker? It doesn't need to sit and saturate or anything? What kind of oats are you guys getting?

I just use regular oats with water and protein powder. Then use a spoon to eat the oats and drink the liquid.


CROWLER

[nightfly71]

Grind them up...it's a world of difference. I used to just throw them in the blender, too, but this way goes down way easier.

[CROWLER]

I didn't mean I put them in blender. I just scoop them into water with some protein powder. I am too lazy to bother with grinders, blenders etc.

BTW to those looking for a low GI postworkout drink may be screwing yourself. Some foods have their GI increased by 100% or more when you do a simple thing such as grinding it up.


CROWLER

[Mulletsoldier]

I didn't mean I put them in blender. I just scoop them into water with some protein powder. I am too lazy to bother with grinders, blenders etc.


CROWLER

Same here, I think they taste fine. Cup+water+1 cup oats=nummy in my tummy.

[CROWLER]

Same here, I think they taste fine. Cup+water+1 cup oats=nummy in my tummy.

Hey BUDDY!

Congrats on the USP Labs deal, VERY well deserved!

BTW I was doing some googling of various glycemic index numbers about 5 minuets ago and what do I see but a post by you right here on AM how grinding foods increases their GI

Damn you are EVERY WHERE!


CROWLER

[Dwight Schrute]

If I'm not storing carbs as fat, I would consider that a benefit in and of itself. Not that I'm any sort of expert, but the theory behind WMS makes sense to me.

And when you understand just how ridiculous that sounds, then you will understand how baseless the theory is.

If it was true, you would be buying it from Merck.

But it gives me one hell of a pump!!!!

[Dwight Schrute]

how grinding foods increases their GI




CROWLER

Not oats.

[CROWLER]

Not oats.

How about brown rice and if so by how much?


CROWLER

[Dwight Schrute]

How about brown rice and if so by how much?


CROWLER

When you consider the number of grains and types, its impossible to tell. Mainly, wheats are the greatest effected, oats aren't at all.

[Mulletsoldier]

Yes, oats aren't effected by processing like many other foods Crow-Diggity.

[Dwight Schrute]

Oats can be effected by processing (instant vs. rolled), just not particle size.

[Mulletsoldier]

Man, go ask your R&D department!

Lake is busy oiling himself up!!!

[CROWLER]

steel cut?

[Dwight Schrute]

Are good.

I wouldn't worry much, you are splitting hairs if you worry about oats and the differences.

[CROWLER]

How about brown rice flour?


CROWLER

[Dwight Schrute]

Man, go ask your R&D department!

[CROWLER]

Man, go ask your R&D department!

Bastige


CROWLER

[glenihan]

How do you mix oats and whey PWO? Just regular dry oatmeal and whey mixed w/ some water in a shaker? It doesn't need to sit and saturate or anything? What kind of oats are you guys getting?

oats, water, and whey in a blender .. mixes up just fine .. put it in two bottles ... one pre and one for post and i'm on my merry way