Dealing with stress/ depression
- 09-10-2006, 09:09 PM
Well said tsc. That is exactly what is going on. People who have never dealt with that type of schedule often do not understand the negative effects it has on a person. I appreciate the support. And yes it can be the job. There are tremendous pressures in some fields of work, and that can lead to stress that pours into your personal life. Concentration and relaxation techniques have helped, but when you figure in a 60+ hr work week, that doesn't leave much time for that either.
- 09-10-2006, 09:55 PM
If you want, email me and I'll get you some more info and possibilities etc. If you become a board supporter you can use the PM system, but I think its not available to regular members still?
09-10-2006, 11:40 PM
Fellas - please note that I made it clear it was a guess. That is all it can be; and not even an informed one. A well intended one? You bet. Other than that it is a crap shoot.
I'll share a little more info with you than I normally would: I went through something about 8 years ago that really seriously took a toll on me. BP went through the roof. Night sweats. Waking up every hour or so. Literally - I was a nervous wreck. I felt like I had the living hell beat out of me 7X24. I won't go into what caused it, but it wasn't trivial.
I agree a dramatic change in schedule can throw you for a loop. I didn't read into your post that it was a new change. My bad if it was there. Although I did overlook the 12 hour days. But IT IS POSSIBLE THAT the schedule may not be enough and here is why I say that: When I went to grad school, I was working (mangemet position) full time, remodeling a house, 2 kids and finished the MBA program in 3 years (not the normally scheduled 4). So, I was fairly sleep deprived. This isn't about me, so why the heck am including this? None of that resulted in depression - for me - under those circumstances. Your circumstances may be entirely different' possibly far worse (again, I would have no way of knowing).
What later caused depression was emotional, and really rocked my foundation.
As to meds: Paxil, for me - was a blessing. Without it, I was barely able to function. Believe me, I tried to tough it out, tried herbal alternatives, etc. It simply didn't work. The Paxil did. It is magic? No. Did I like the idea of taking it? Hell no. Do I like taking any kind of meds - no, not at all. Did I use it when I needed it most. Yes. BTW - it can have some crappy effects when weening off it.
Re meds part II: Please take a second look at what I said: "Also, don't be too leery of using the meds. They can help while you work on the root cause." Why did I say that? Honestly, there is a huge and unnecessary stigma about depression and antidepressants. People sometimes avoid taking them because they believe doing so is a sign of weakness or they believe they should be tough enough not to have to rely on them. Properly administered, in small dosages via a competent MD that understands what in the heck I going on with you, and with an appropriate feedback loop, antidepressants are not inherently evil. I would not make the same claim of all meds (e.g., painkillers). I’ll say this – you are far better off with something designed to help you than you would be by pounding down some drinks (depression + depressants = not good).
As was rightfully pointed out, depression - if indeed that is what you have - is a chemical imbalance. Just as with other types of imbalance or dysfunctional balance, it isn't going to magically change without something to cause that change. That change may result from your body adjusting to modified sleep patterns (it is actually far more than this, and there is a great deal of literature available to help you out). On the other hand - if it isn't sleep related, then you might want to look at other alternatives.
Guys - I truly went out of my way to offer what was clearly stated as a guess. Take a look at it again: “BTW - I would guess it isn't your job - frequently it stems from anger or resentment.”
I said this for a couple of reasons. First – this has been my experience, and the experience of most of those I’ve spoken with. Secondly - as guys, we are likely to be less willing to look at our “hurts” for a variety of reasons (including not wanting to look like a puss). So, we might be more inclined to look for more logical causes – like work. Make no mistake about it work can be the cause. But there may be a variety of other causes if that isn’t the cause (or if work is only one of many causes). One source of information on depressions says the following: “A serious loss, chronic illness, relationship problems, work stress, family crisis, financial setback, or any unwelcome life change can trigger a depressive episode. Very often, a combination of biological, psychological, and environmental factors are involved in the development of depressive disorders, as well as other psychological problems.” Maybe it is just me, but I see that as being one very one broad list.
Why take time to respond? A couple of the responses to my earlier posting seem to suggest that I was saying that it couldn't be work related. Heck, of course it can.
Look - I'm just some slug willing to offer an opinion/guess based on my experience. Again, there isn't any way that any one of us who took the time to respond can give you anything definitive; although I wish we could.
09-10-2006, 11:56 PM
I've read that Wellbutrin (sp?) doesn't have that same side effect.Originally Posted by kjkriston
09-11-2006, 11:26 AM
I don't disagree with most of what you've said. My point was not that anti-depressants don't work for depression. However, using anti-depressants when the problem is not depression is dangerous. There are people that need them, and benefit from them. That doesn't excuse the 'fix anything with a pill' mentality that some doctors have. People SHOULD be leary of anything prescribed. I'm not against meds, just YOU have to do research YOURSELF and learn about the sides and everything possible and decide if the possible benefits outway the possible risks. In my experience, I've never had a doctor go into detail on possible sides and negatives unless I specifically asked several questions, even then they've rarily covered it all. Even some of the pharma companies ... uh, just "forgot" to include the parts from their research that there is an increased risk of suicidal thoughts (and actual suicides) in some patients. They had to be sued for this to come out.
You clearly said it was a guess, colored and bolded. I wasn't attacking your view. Having worked (and still working) a rotating schedule which in my mind at least is even worse than just working nights, I can offer insight as to what is going on.
Much of this is most likely stems from the sleep pattern. It can a progressive problem. One can usually adapt quite well in the short term, but its all the time the swap overs eventually wear you down. An anti-depressant is just a band aid in this case. You may feel better mentally, but that will do nothing for the physical stresses that this schedule creates. It won't lower the increased risk of cancer that nightshift workers have due to low melatonin production, etc. etc. etc. All too often the improved mental state (or appearance of) eliminates the desire or perceived need to fix anything else. Again, there are people that need them, but if you look at the history of pharmaceutical advertising in recent times, not too long ago everybody was told they had anxiety issues. Once anti-anxiety drugs came under scrutiny due to addiction and abuse etc, the shift was made to depression. Now anti-depressants are promoted heavily.
09-11-2006, 11:45 AM
It turns out our views are more similar than I thought.
I've really pushed every MD I've been to for details on whatever issue was at hand - and see it as my responsibility to read a good deal prior to going in. Hey, it is my body - I darn sure well better have a vested interest in what I am willing to out into it. I push my MD to tell me things and spend time explaining details they might not choose to otherwise share. I might be a PITA to them; I couldn't care. I go rarely enough that when I do go, I want facts.
I really agree with the "no magic pill". Just like weightloss, any time a pill is seen as a "cure all" - no way I'm jumping on the bandwagon. Re antidepressants, unless the problems are dealt with and resolved, it just becomes another lifetime med (treating the symptom, not the problem). I really see that as being true with ADD/ADHD prescriptions. Do they have their place? Yes - but I would argue they are way, way overprescribed.
12-18-2006, 10:51 AM
I know this is an old thread, but I could really use some help. I've struggled with depression since I was 13. Been on and off meds during that time frame. Some seemed to work, others not. I've tried lots of herbal alternatives to no avail and I'm completely frustrated with my quality of life. It feels impossible to become happy, I've got so freaking much to be happy about! I was using Zoloft and it worked pretty well for me. It wasnt a cure all, it just allowed me to not be bothered by every tiny little stress that life threw my way. I found a little lady who I've been very serious with and plan to marry. She's the most beautiful girl I've ever been with, and I started having difficulty performing at times. Not even interested most times, and this was just a low dose of Zoloft. The sexual sides were too much. I heard Welbutrin didnt have the sexual sides so I wanted to try it. No sexual sides but hardly any relief from my depression. I've felt my depression/anxiety get as bad as when I was a teenager lately. I don't want to be around anyone, being by myself is the easiest thing for me because I only have myself to answer to. But the more time I spend my myself, the more I have a negitive internal dialogue. I want to find a med that works, without the nasty sexual sides and do it write this time by talking with a professional and reading as much literature on the subject as possible. I've heard some things on Lexapro, does it have the sexual sides like Zoloft and Paxil? BTW, my doc is a freakin idiot, I don't have much faith in him so I try to research for myself when I can. Thanks for any help!!!
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