Blood in urine.. (( To much protein ?? ))
- 07-21-2006, 01:03 PM
Blood in urine.. (( To much protein ?? ))
I am asking this question for a friend of mine. He is a big guy, Probably 6ft 2 or 3 inchs tall, about 240, and pretty ripped up. He got a sharp pain in his back the other day, and he noticed that his urine was a dark color, so he went to the Dr, and they checked him out, and found no kidney stones, but he had an infection in his kidneys , so they put him on antibiotics. The Dr. asked him what all he was taking, and he told him. He said he was taking Alot of protein shakes, probably 8 or 9 a day. Plus, he told him he was taking Superdrol... The Dr. did not know what SD was, But he did tell him that he needed to lay off of the protein shakes for awhile, because they were causing calcium deposits in his kidneys.
Not sure if it can have anything to do with it or not, but he has been on Superdrol for along while, and he has done alot of cycles of the stuff in a short period of time. I advised him against it, and told him about everything I have read here about it, but he did not really listen.. He also does test when he is not on SD.. Anyway, Can anyone give me your take on the protein thing being to much.. Can to many protein shakes be bad for you ?? Just curious, because I have upped mine about 4 or 5 a day. I do not need to end up like he has..
Thanks for your comments and help..
- 07-21-2006, 01:07 PM
Too much protein can be bad for your kidneys, yes. He's obviously consuming more than his body is using...
I didn't think superdrol has any effects on the kidneys though.
07-21-2006, 01:11 PM
any food can mess up your kidneys if you are not drinking enough water, thats the cleanser of the body, without it you have big problems. Im sure he was not drinking near enough water. Plus in order to know for sure if you have Kidney Stones you have to get a special x-ray, and or up the ol pee-hole exam which is very painful Just going to the doctors office cannot be a sure way of knowing.
07-21-2006, 01:13 PM
How long has he been on SD?
Too much protein may effect people with existing kidney problems but it is rarely an issue for healthy individuals.
A kidney infection is not necessarily indicative of too much protein or the effects of harsh orals like SD. They just happen sometimes, however the SD is likely weakening his immune system.
Mannose-D is awesome stuff for getting rid of UTI's. My wife uses it for hers and it takes care of it literally overnight most times.
07-21-2006, 01:13 PM
07-21-2006, 01:18 PM
I am not doctor or expert on the subject but as Bioman stated above, too much protein is 99% not the cause of any kidney problems in healthy individuals. Think of some of these powerlifters/bodybuilders who consistantly take in 500g+ of protein per day with no problems. Heck I take in 350-375 per day. Unused protein is converted to glycogen anyways.
I have never used mannose-d before but Bioman says its good, I am currently using cranberry extract, however, since I am on tren and it does work really well from the studies I have read. In fact a mixture of that and cranberry juice will work wonders for the kidneys!
Personally I think this is a case of him not drinking enough water.
07-21-2006, 01:19 PM
Originally Posted by Jayhawkk
If he were passing a stone, we would hear him screaming here at AM, that is the most painful thing around!!!! Worse than giving birth I tell ya!!!!
07-21-2006, 01:21 PM
Originally Posted by LakeMountD
I take Cranberry Extract as well, as a health measure, its good stuff
07-21-2006, 01:35 PM
Wow !!! Thanks for the quick replies everyone.. It is appreicated. He is a younger guy, probably 24 to 26 yrs old.. Great shape .. As for the water, You will see this guy carrying a big water bottle with him all around the shop all day, and you will see him fill it up alot to.. Don't think it could be water, but ya never know..... As for kidneys, they did the X-ray on him, and it did not show anything..
He has been taking SD all this yr that I know of, and has not been off of it that much.. Like I said, I advised him to not do that, and I even told him about this site, and that he needed to read some of the things that I have.. I am sure he has been doing some test along the way to.. Maybe not with the SD, but he has done some.
I know from what I have read, that body builders usually take in a buttload of protein, and I have not read where any of them have had any problems.. I was kinda nervous for myself since I heard this, becuae I am going to up mine ... Or try to up mine to 250 to 260 a day..
But I really do appreicate your help and info, and I will pass it on to him...
07-21-2006, 01:37 PM
nah, the small ones will just cause a lil pain and blood. The ones that cause extreme pain suck much butt
07-21-2006, 01:38 PM
Originally Posted by Stinger124
Well if he is using stimulants at all with cafffeine that will act as a diuretic as well, which means even more water needed. Some people you just cant tell them anything, live and learn!
07-21-2006, 01:38 PM
07-21-2006, 01:42 PM
Did they give him any sulfur pills???? Thats one of a few drugs that will help clean out his kidneys, but youhave to drink alot of water with those pills too.
07-21-2006, 01:42 PM
IF he has been on SD for many months, then kidney problems are just the beginning of his woes. He needs to cycle off NOW.
07-21-2006, 01:44 PM
07-21-2006, 02:04 PM
Yes, I agree with him on getting off of Superdrol NOW statement.. And like I have said, I have told him how bad and dangerous it can be if abused... I am sure there will probably be a price to pay futher down the road... I will tell him again, and maybe he will even get on here and read this..
On the sulfer pills, I honestly do not know what they gave him.. I talked with him on the phone this morning, and he said they gave him a antibiotic.. Maybe they did, I honestly cannot say.
Once again on the water, I have never , and I mean never seen anyone drink as much water as he did.. I would have puked if it had been me.. But I am finally getting where I am drinking nothing but water all day long .. except for my morning coffee.
Hopefully he will not have to much or to many problems, But I also hope he learns a valuable lesson..
Thanks again for your help..
08-08-2006, 06:16 PM
08-08-2006, 06:26 PM
Concidering a protein shake only has 25 or 26 grams of protein in it, That would only be 225 grams .. Plus whaever he eats.. There are body builders who blow that amount of protein out of the water... Not sure if they get it from shakes, or not, but I bet alot of it comes from it.
Anyway, He has gotten off of the SD, and seems to be doing pretty good. He is back at work and all..
08-08-2006, 09:31 PM
The bottom line is that he needs to see a doctor. Protein cannot kill kidneys directly, however a state of muscle breakdown called rhabdomyolysis can lead to acute renal failure which usually resolves but on many instances can lead to permanent renal damage. Have him get taken care of ASAP.
Sometimes rhabdomyolysis can be a result of muscle trauma, commonly mentioned as a side effect of HMGCoA reductase inhibitors, ie: lipitor.
08-08-2006, 10:35 PM
This post is about 3 or 4 weeks old.. He has already went to the Dr.. Told him to lay off of the SD even though he did not know what exactly it was. The problem ( If he is telling me the truth ) was a calcium deposit in his kidney.. Anyway, Thats aall I know.. He is back to work, and feeling well, but he said he will be staying away from the SD for a long while..
08-09-2006, 01:08 PM
Obviously the issue has subsided, but it is still worth discussing for others' benefits. Do you know if in addition to dark urine if it was bubbly/foamy? Foamy urine can indicate that excess protein in urine and kidney issues.
08-09-2006, 01:21 PM
08-09-2006, 01:48 PM
Urine is foamy because of the phospahte in it. It is true that protein foams when mixed in a fluid, but gross proteinuria would be accompanied by other problems that were prexistant ie lower extremity edema with a few other issues known as nephrotic syndrome.Originally Posted by size
08-09-2006, 02:05 PM
Originally Posted by DeerDeer
So broken down so the average man can understand this means what ?? (( Sorry, Way over my head. ))
08-09-2006, 03:04 PM
Basically, don't worry if your urine is foamy because it may be just phospahte, which is normal. If you EVER notice blood, dark brown almost black urine, if it burns or if it is very fould smellign (barring asparagus ingestion ;-) GO SEE A DOC! :-)Originally Posted by Stinger124
08-09-2006, 04:36 PM
08-11-2006, 12:36 PM
Foamy urine can be a sign of proteinuria which can be an indicator of renal damage.
"Since serum proteins are readily reabsorbed from urine, the presence of excess protein indicates either an insufficiency of absorption or impaired filtration. Diabetics usually suffer from damaged nephrons and develop proteinuria."
08-11-2006, 02:05 PM
Superdrol is a new compound and has literally no formal testing in humans, especially longterm testing. Who knows what 6+ months of Superdrol will do to your body. its not recommended to run that compound longer than 4 weeks!
08-11-2006, 04:11 PM
Proteinuria is not visible to the naked eye. One cannot distinguish foamy urine secondary to proteinuria versus jsut nromal foamy urine attributable to phosphates.Originally Posted by size
You cannot EVER directly attribute foamy urine to proteinuria. Like I said before, proteinuria, not microalbuminemia, (which is evaluated in diabetics whose progression is delayed by the use of ace inhibitors, ie dibetic nephropathy) would have individuals demonstrate other signs that would paint the clinical picture (edema, ?liver failure? uremia). In order to have protein escape, the damage would entail a loss of negative charge in the glomerular basement membrane - which is a big deal.
08-11-2006, 04:50 PM
Thanks for the info. Obviously, I was given incorrect information in the past, especially, in regards to unusually foamy urine and its correlation to proteinuria.Originally Posted by DeerDeer
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