Blood in urine.. (( To much protein ?? ))

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Obviously the issue has subsided, but it is still worth discussing for others' benefits. Do you know if in addition to dark urine if it was bubbly/foamy? Foamy urine can indicate that excess protein in urine and kidney issues.

[Stinger124]

No, I will see if I can catch him out here at work today and see if he remembers or not.

[DeerDeer]

Obviously the issue has subsided, but it is still worth discussing for others' benefits. Do you know if in addition to dark urine if it was bubbly/foamy? Foamy urine can indicate that excess protein in urine and kidney issues.

Urine is foamy because of the phospahte in it. It is true that protein foams when mixed in a fluid, but gross proteinuria would be accompanied by other problems that were prexistant ie lower extremity edema with a few other issues known as nephrotic syndrome.

[Stinger124]

Urine is foamy because of the phospahte in it. It is true that protein foams when mixed in a fluid, but gross proteinuria would be accompanied by other problems that were prexistant ie lower extremity edema with a few other issues known as nephrotic syndrome.

So broken down so the average man can understand this means what ?? (( Sorry, Way over my head. ))

[DeerDeer]

So broken down so the average man can understand this means what ?? (( Sorry, Way over my head. ))

Basically, don't worry if your urine is foamy because it may be just phospahte, which is normal. If you EVER notice blood, dark brown almost black urine, if it burns or if it is very fould smellign (barring asparagus ingestion ;-) GO SEE A DOC! :-)

[Stinger124]

I see... Thanks.. I will remember that.

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Foamy urine can be a sign of proteinuria which can be an indicator of renal damage.

"Since serum proteins are readily reabsorbed from urine, the presence of excess protein indicates either an insufficiency of absorption or impaired filtration. Diabetics usually suffer from damaged nephrons and develop proteinuria."

[BigVrunga]

Superdrol is a new compound and has literally no formal testing in humans, especially longterm testing. Who knows what 6+ months of Superdrol will do to your body. its not recommended to run that compound longer than 4 weeks!

BV

[DeerDeer]

Foamy urine can be a sign of proteinuria which can be an indicator of renal damage.

"Since serum proteins are readily reabsorbed from urine, the presence of excess protein indicates either an insufficiency of absorption or impaired filtration. Diabetics usually suffer from damaged nephrons and develop proteinuria."

Proteinuria is not visible to the naked eye. One cannot distinguish foamy urine secondary to proteinuria versus jsut nromal foamy urine attributable to phosphates.

You cannot EVER directly attribute foamy urine to proteinuria. Like I said before, proteinuria, not microalbuminemia, (which is evaluated in diabetics whose progression is delayed by the use of ace inhibitors, ie dibetic nephropathy) would have individuals demonstrate other signs that would paint the clinical picture (edema, ?liver failure? uremia). In order to have protein escape, the damage would entail a loss of negative charge in the glomerular basement membrane - which is a big deal.

-Cheers.

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Proteinuria is not visible to the naked eye. One cannot distinguish foamy urine secondary to proteinuria versus jsut nromal foamy urine attributable to phosphates.

You cannot EVER directly attribute foamy urine to proteinuria. Like I said before, proteinuria, not microalbuminemia, (which is evaluated in diabetics whose progression is delayed by the use of ace inhibitors, ie dibetic nephropathy) would have individuals demonstrate other signs that would paint the clinical picture (edema, ?liver failure? uremia). In order to have protein escape, the damage would entail a loss of negative charge in the glomerular basement membrane - which is a big deal.

-Cheers.

Thanks for the info. Obviously, I was given incorrect information in the past, especially, in regards to unusually foamy urine and its correlation to proteinuria.

[DeerDeer]

No prob!

[Stinger124]

You guys are walking books of knowledge... Hats off to you all. Very impressive.

[BUCKNUTS]

This post is about 3 or 4 weeks old.. He has already went to the Dr.. Told him to lay off of the superdrol even though he did not know what exactly it was. The problem ( If he is telling me the truth ) was a calcium deposit in his kidney.. Anyway, Thats aall I know.. He is back to work, and feeling well, but he said he will be staying away from the SD for a long while..

a calcium deposit in the kidney = a kidney stone he was just given an antibiotic? I'm not aware of any antibiotic that will dissolve kidney stones.mabey he passed it.I agree with Size proteinuria can cause the urine to be foamy,it is secondary to a kidney issue, but will probably be the first symptom you notice.

[kwyckemynd00]

Too much protein can be bad for your kidneys, yes. He's obviously consuming more than his body is using...

I didn't think superdrol has any effects on the kidneys though.

Kidney problems can only be exacerbated by high protein intake, NOT caused by.

There is probably a larger underlying issue and he should see his doc ASAP. Could just be an infection, but anytime you privates bleed its good to get them checked out (unless you've got really nasty hemorrhoids ).

edit: just saw how old this is... Glad to hear he's better.

[DeerDeer]

a calcium deposit in the kidney = a kidney stone he was just given an antibiotic? I'm not aware of any antibiotic that will dissolve kidney stones.mabey he passed it.I agree with Size proteinuria can cause the urine to be foamy,it is secondary to a kidney issue, but will probably be the first symptom you notice.

The antibiotic is NOT given to dissolve the stone - it is more as prophylaxis to prevent infection.

THere isn't a chemical that can dissolve the stone, especially if it is your typical calcium oxalate - it usueallly requires either mechanical or ultrasound to get rid of , or you could just wait and pass it.

Read above regarding proteinuria and foamy urine - you ar emisinformed if you think foamy urine correlates directly wiht proteinuria.

[BUCKNUTS]

I know antibiotics don't dissolve stones I was trying to say if the Dr. says he had a stone why did he not address it I should have been more clear.I still say proteinuria causes foamy,frothy urine I realize it is secondary to kidney problems or diabetes etc. but it IS a sign/symptom of proteinuria. I took this qoute from the Cleveland clinic's website it's from a long article about proteinuria and was written by a P.M. Hall MD. He to it seems is "misinformed" the underlined text is from the kidney dialysis foundation and again is a small section of a larger article on proteinuria. I only took the sections dealing with sympoms from both article because as I said I understand that proteinuria is itself a symptom of a larger problem but none the less it causes the urine to be foamy/frothy.

SIGNS AND SYMPTOMS
Most patients with proteinuria have no signs or symptoms from the proteinuria. In states of heavy (nephrotic range) proteinuria exceeding 3 g daily, the patient might report FOAMY URINE and might demonstrate edema. The FOAMY URINE is due to increased lipid in the urine, which alters the surface tension of the urine. Lipiduria is caused by the filtration of lipoproteins across the damaged glomerular barrier. On urine microscopy lipiduria might appear as free fat, or as fat droplets in tubular cells or casts where they are referred to as oval fat bodies or fatty casts respectively. Edema, which frequently accompanies nephrotic range proteinuria, is caused by reduction of plasma oncotic pressure due to reduced plasma albumin. Hypoalbuminemia is the result of increased glomerular losses and defective synthesis of albumin. At times the hypoalbuminemia and loss in plasma oncotic pressure produce true intravascular volume depletion resulting in hypotension and pre-renal acute renal failure. The loss of albumin stimulates the liver synthetic activity, which also contributes to increased lipoprotein production and hyperlipidemia

What are the signs and symptoms of proteinuria?
By itself, proteinuria causes FOAMY OR FROTHY URINE. Patients may also say they see bubbles in the urine. If loss of protein is in very large quantities (more than 3 grams per day), a patient may have the nephrotic syndrome where he complains of swelling of legs, abdominal distention and breathlessness especially on lying down.

[DeerDeer]

First of all, I am a doctor. If you saw my previous post I mention gross proteinuria and nephrotic syndrome briefly for the sake of simplicity.

A direct correlation means PROTEINURIA = FOAMY URINE which is NOT correct. It is in the differential but they are not pathognomonic. It is SOMETIMES seen tha tis what my point is. Just becuase one has foamy urine does not directly mean that there is proteinurai and vice versa.

[BUCKNUTS]

First of all, I am a doctor. If you saw my previous post I mention gross proteinuria and nephrotic syndrome briefly for the sake of simplicity.

A direct correlation means PROTEINURIA = FOAMY URINE which is NOT correct. It is in the differential but they are not pathognomonic. It is SOMETIMES seen tha tis what my point is. Just becuase one has foamy urine does not directly mean that there is proteinurai and vice versa.

no disreespect intended but I think you are splitting hairs Dr. all I was saying is that proteinuria does cause frothy/foamy urine not in every instance but it can and does cause it.I'm not a Dr. but I do have a BSN and have been a critical care nurse for 14 years and I have seen with my own two eyes foamy/frothy urine from proteinuria.

[DeerDeer]

No prob whatsoever - your contribution was totally positive :-) It is tough clinically to distinguish between foamy urine in a patient with nephrotic syndrome versus a patient with another disorder.

I must say that the foamiest urine I have ever seen was from a patient who had multiple myeloma - literally looked like palmolive/detergent in water.

Critical care nurses kick butt!

[DeerDeer]

No prob whatsoever - your contribution was totally positive :-) It is tough clinically to distinguish between foamy urine in a patient with nephrotic syndrome versus a patient with another disorder.

I must say that the foamiest urine I have ever seen was from a patient who had multiple myeloma - literally looked like palmolive/detergent in water.

Critical care nurses kick butt!