need help with liver issue
07-10-2006 01:29 PM
need help with liver issue
I need some advices from a doctor maybe..if there is such person..or at least someone who really knows some medicine.
I have recently been diagnosed with non-alcooholic fatty liver and lazy bile. The doctor gave me some medicines but after two weeks, it seems I still have some pains in the right side just where the liver is.
She also told me I should eat less protein and take care with the supplements I am taking at the moment, including vitamins, minerals and carnitine. I really dont know why this is hapening to me...I dont take anything liver stressful at the moment....I used some Superdrol at the beginning of the year but with proper liver protection.
I am in such a bad mood because of this health problem, I dont feel like doing anything and I am mentally down.
Please give me an advice...should I take a break, should I use some liver supplements, any advice is welcome!
Thank you very much!
07-10-2006 05:46 PM
Well whatever you do NO MORE steroids or anabolics. Also try to stay away from pain killers such as ibeprofen, etc.
Anabolic Innovations offers Cycle Support, which contains a LOT of anti-oxidants as well as liver/heart/prostate/cholesterol support supplements.
You can even ask CROWLER (the owner) if he would leave the red yeast rice out for you since it is a mild statin and you are looking for more of the liver support.
It contains very good dosages of milk thistle and NAC, however, and there are many studies that can be found on pubmed supporting them as glutathione promoters, which also promoste a healthy liver. There are also studies that have been done on people who have serious cirhossis (sp?) and milk thistle decreased the death rate very significantly in those who took it. Cycle Support comes out to about $1.09 per day .
07-10-2006 06:34 PM
Stay away from any uneeded pills as they are stressful on the liver. Especially pain killers like LMD said. Alcohol, steroids/PH's anything of that nature. The good thing is that even without whey protein and creatine etc you can still achieve a great build. Don't let it get you down. use this obsticle as your motivation and direction to work twice as hard and still get your goals
07-10-2006 06:40 PM
Do some research on Liv-52. It has numerous studies showing not only improvment of liver values, but in some cases reversal of fatty liver disease and even cirrohsis.
07-10-2006 08:40 PM
Remarc - what tests did your DR run - full blood profile?? ultra sound?? I think if it were me Id want to know more about the diagnosis - try not to worry so much til you find out more details.
And, Lake - I read most of what you write...there is one thing I dont understand...
How can you only be 22 years old?? You are one smart "hombre"
07-10-2006 08:47 PM
Haha thanks bro. A lot of research and interest man. It only takes the desire, the rest is just trying to put it all together .
Originally Posted by AGELESS
And I have seen most of the pictures you post and how can you be your age and look so DAMN JACKED lol. I wish I could look like that NOW let alone at your age my friend, damn good work!!!
07-10-2006 09:38 PM
No ****...I have neither the intellect nor the physical aspect going...Damn I just depressed myself.
07-11-2006 12:39 AM
Oh Jay, come'ear and get a hug big guy.
07-11-2006 12:51 AM
Alright first and foremost....I ain't no friggin doctor, but if u listen to me, u might just thank me later. Good news son....your diagnosis is NOT irriversable, unless u really did something with SD that u shouldn't have, which brings me to the subject of your SD cycle....an area of MAJOR concern! I say this cuz u stated that u cycled SD at the beginning of the year, but that u had proper liver protection. LIVER PROTECTION?....What good is liver protection if it was an improper cycle of METHYLATED ORALS? I'm not sayin u did an improper cycle....I just need to know the facts here. How many weeks did u run SD? What was your dosage per day? Did your PCT include a SERM? Did u have a PCT at all? How long did it last?
Originally Posted by remarc
Anyways, about your problem. Look these products up, take them for a few months and I'll bet your doctor will notice a huge difference in your condition with some simple liver tests.
#1. Life Extension / Mega Silymarin with Isosilybin B. this product offers THE BEST LIVER PROTECTION I'VE EVER FOUND. And if anyone can top it, please let me know. Milk Thistle Extract, one capsule = 900mg standardized to 80% (720mg) Silymarin, 30% (270mg) Silibinin, 4.5% (40.5mg) Isosilybin B.
With your condition, try 1 cap AM 1 cap PM for about 3 weeks or so and then drop to one at night.
#2. Beta-Sitosterol with betine hydrochloride. Twice a day.
#3. Ester C 1000mg serving at LEAST 4 times a day.
#4. MRM Grapeseed Extract 120mg. Try first week 2 caps AM 2 caps PM then increase to 3 caps AM, 3 caps PM.
#4. If u've got a juicer, try cucumber, carrot, celery, and beet juice. Try these things that I mentioned as these are ALL products that I take myself and I have used this same protocol for liver detox. Your liver will thank you! And oh yeah....About that SD cycle?
07-11-2006 01:04 AM
Thanks for reminding me about NAC, completely slipped my mind. Can't remeber anythin bout dosage. Isn't it something like 1-2g a day for liver problems?
Originally Posted by LakeMountD
07-11-2006 01:28 AM
Sorry, forgot to mention....DRINK LOTS OF DISTILLED WATER!
Originally Posted by NO HYPE
07-11-2006 03:37 AM
I would specifically avoid anything containing tylenol/APAP/paracetemol. From what I recall ibuprofen is more taxing to your kidneys.
Himalaya's Liv.52 definitely seems to have some research behind it, though it seems to all be published by the company and/or in indian research pubs.
SAM-E helps raise glutathione, K-RALA is a great anti-oxidant too, but I also wanted to mention a cheap one, Lecithin. Which was not mentioned and can also be also helpful. From what I recall, I think Lecithin particularly for the fatty liver situation.
And definitely the NAC, Milk Thistle, recommendations.
07-11-2006 03:47 AM
Get a second opinion... question everything.
07-11-2006 05:47 AM
Originally Posted by somewhatgifted
Yeah right on. He should get multiple opinions! Cuz most of these suggestions are goin to have some research behind them in reguards to directly benefiting the liver. How much and wether u will use them is up to u but your original post indicated a real problem that u needed help with. Look up all this info and u will find a great deal of truth in the matter at hand.
07-11-2006 07:29 AM
Is Rebound XT or 6-OXO stressful for the liver? How about Propionyl L-carnitine or NOXplode? I need to know which supplements I should avoid except anabolics/designer steroids...Ohh, and my cycle of SD lasted 6 weeks at an average of 30 mg/day? I had proper liver protection.
07-11-2006 07:57 AM
30mg a day for 6 weeks?...... ........ What was you pct like? and what liver protection did you take?
Originally Posted by remarc
07-11-2006 08:10 AM
Well...i am over 220 lbs and took it the way it was prescribed on the site i bought from
I had Milk thistle, NAC, Green tea, Fish oil, flax, alc and of course vitamins and minerals.
07-11-2006 08:44 AM
ouch dude i smell a stickie, could you post numbers from your blood work?
Originally Posted by remarc
07-11-2006 08:49 AM
Sounds like another version of me...Not a compliment either
Stay off any **** man. A lot of this stuff is relatively new. It's not worth it. Wait and let your body normalize first.
07-11-2006 02:29 PM
Funny thing is my blood tests went just fine...except for SGPT were 40 IU but still normal.
Another thing...the doctor told me my bile is "lazy"..and this is the reason of pains in the right side, not the fact that liver is fatty. Now the question: anything I can take for this bile issue? Doctor told me I should eat less protein...I dont know what to do...maybe take in some more aminoacids.
Thank you very much for your help!
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