is this normal????

  1. is this normal????


    total test 331, free test 12. im only 21yrs old. my VA doctor said this is normal, but i figured he would say that. is this low??


  2. Your total test is definitely on the low end. I think the normal is anywhere from 300 to @ 800 or so. So yes technically you might be in the normal range, its for sure on the low end of that. Not too sure about the free test though.

  3. Well, why did you get your test tested at your age? have you done previous cycles of AS?
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  4. The normal low end of my 3 blood test has been like 240 ng/dl. So, you are technically ok like Dunk said. But probably low for your age.

    I get so confused as to free test ranges because it gets reported in different units. That looks like pg/dl. (I've also seen ng/dl). I think the low range is somewhere around 9.

  5. I've also noticed those range vary and some have a huge variation. Not to mention docs own feelings adding to it. Visiting the docs office can be so damned frustrating

  6. They get very nervous these days (as one could imagine) prescribing testosterone to anyone under 40.

    Injectables are almost out for regular docs. It's too much trouble - what with all the paperwork and visits to make sure of proper stock in the products.
    Last edited by jmh80; 05-26-2006 at 10:59 PM. Reason: spelling...

  7. never done a cycle, but always tired, cant get hard no matter how much i hit the gym, weak, just very frustrated. want to go the legal route to get strong.( that may change one of these days, years from now) but i just didnt feel right so i got it checked.total test was 363ng/dl and free test was 12.3pg/ml

  8. Just for curiosity - do you have any other numbers - like LH, estradiol, prolactin etc. I always wonder if there is more to it than just low test.

    Anyway - try any of the PCT options and see if that helps. Dr.D has a couple of programs listed for AAS users where test levels never came all the way back after a cycle.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by jmh80
    The normal low end of my 3 blood test has been like 240 ng/dl. So, you are technically ok like Dunk said. But probably low for your age.

    I get so confused as to free test ranges because it gets reported in different units. That looks like pg/dl. (I've also seen ng/dl). I think the low range is somewhere around 9.
    normal ranges:
    300-1000/1200
    8.5-25

    Why exactly did you go get tested at your age. While these results ARE within normal range, they are on the lower end for your age.

  10. well, i got them tested cause i feel like crap and was just curious. just not getting the results i want.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by mschulke
    well, i got them tested cause i feel like crap and was just curious. just not getting the results i want.
    "never really used anything stronger than creatine seriously in the past and am going to use superdrol/pp in future. i have gained 50lbs since jan. last year and have responded well to training."

    Thats great progress bro....Unless theres something else thats really a problem, I wouldn't worry about it. You're getting good results as far as I'm concerned. What do you mean "i feel like crap"?

  12. no energy, just flabby, no real positive results in gym(hardness wise) cant get muscular size, seems all flab. just frustrated

  13. In another thread you made 2 months ago, you said you had only been lifting seriously for 3 months. So today, thats what 5 months?

    To be honest flabbyness/lack of energy may be due to your diet. Post up a tyical day's worth of dieting and lets make sure thats in order before anything else.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by mschulke
    no energy, just flabby, no real positive results in gym(hardness wise) cant get muscular size, seems all flab. just frustrated

    Hope you dont mind a womans point of view, but 12 is too low in my opinion. I would test again, then see a specialist to evaluate you. Keep in mind, Primary Care docs only do what is required of them for the most part. Insurance companies really tell them what to do. Specialists tend to be more open minded and curious. On the flip side of it when I am doing nothing but cardio etc and taking no supps what so ever, my estrogen levels get so high that I am a nut. My doc says oh its part of being a woman etc. But I am sorry being a woman doesnt mean you have to deal with it and feel like crap. Same for men. Explore your legal options.

  15. I was right there with you about 350 tt. But having the same feelings as you . My Dr. gave me test gel and belive it or not I felt a 100% better , alive. I was feeling really just down b4. I know they say thats normal range but hell maybe some people just need to be alittle higher. Don't really know might just be me. But that gel pac sure got me feeling like a man again. S*** people just don't understand how that effects your mood.

  16. Men should be allowed to feel(and look) like men.



    Quote Originally Posted by dirtysouthmuscl
    I was right there with you about 350 tt. But having the same feelings as you . My Dr. gave me test gel and belive it or not I felt a 100% better , alive. I was feeling really just down b4. I know they say thats normal range but hell maybe some people just need to be alittle higher. Don't really know might just be me. But that gel pac sure got me feeling like a man again. S*** people just don't understand how that effects your mood.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by RAVEN
    Men should be allowed to feel(and look) like men.
    Wow - and that from a woman.
  

  
 

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