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  1. took 3 weeks off... ate garbage food... looked ripped and hard.


    took 3 weeks off... ate garbage food... looked ripped and hard could see cheek bones for the first time in a long time.


    Returned to gym this week had 2 sessions so far.... also back to calorie counting aswell eating clean .... so far looking bloated/fat/moon faced as f uck.

    Maybe some people just aint built for it ? I can workout and look like **** ..... or eat like **** cut out exercise and look general healthier.

    I'm not the only person to notice this... when I was about 2 weeks into my idgaf holiday of no exercise and eating junk like pizza/mcdonalds.
    My friends and family all remarked on I had lost fat and I noticed my face no longer was looking as round and moon shaped.

    Something about working out really does a number on my body.... I get so bloated looking you'd think I was eating the **** I was on the IDGAF holiday and not clean and counting calories... s o ****ing frustrating ideas ?


  2. Just don't work out then. Laze around, eat **** all day and look great ya lucky b*stard.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by puffybegone View Post
    took 3 weeks off... ate garbage food... looked ripped and hard could see cheek bones for the first time in a long time.
    Were you eating less than normal? Consuming alcohol?


    Quote Originally Posted by puffybegone View Post
    Returned to gym this week had 2 sessions so far.... also back to calorie counting aswell eating clean .... so far looking bloated/fat/moon faced as f uck.
    What are you eating on your clean diet and what is the caloric intake?

  4. Quote Originally Posted by mickc1965 View Post
    Were you eating less than normal? Consuming alcohol?






    What are you eating on your clean diet and what is the caloric intake?
    No I imagine I was eating way way more than I am right now.... instead of eating 3000 cals a day, I was eating for example full dairy milk chocolate bars 2 a day.... full size dominoes pizzas with dips.... mcdonalds for breakfast..... full big bags of doritos....and loads of other sugary processed crap all in one day... musta been easily 5000 cals. maybe my body had been crying out for those extra calories for so long when they got them... I could recover properly... no idea.

    Now i'm back to eating lean meats and veg with potatoes, protein shakes and fruit... always hitting around 3000 cals and looking like crap... another thing I notice aswell as the extreme bloating is an itching/tingling in my nipples post workout... like they itch like crazy an itch that can't be scratched.... ive been thinking it's cortisol/estrogen gone mad after a session but I've tried taking vit c and eating estrogen reducing foods like broccoli/cauliflower to no joy.

    I guarantee if I stop lifting for a few days I will debloat and lean out but all it takes is one session back at the gym and I blow up like staypuft marshmallow man.

  5. Cortisol maybe? The tingling nips sounds like estrogen tho. You could try arimistane see if that helps.
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  6. Haha this has got to be a troll job , the only person I've heard this happening to had an extremely rare condition

  7. Could all be in your head man. For example if I'm not tan I see a completely different person in the mirror and my brain tells me I look like garbage. Of course that's not the case. Same thing happens when I stop using a supplement I felt was really working. I see a different person in the mirror. No amount of bodybuilding will fix your insecurities. That's what I've learned. Learning to love who you are takes a different kind of work. If this isn't what's going on with you and you truly are experiencing this then well...dude that's really odd and maybe you should go to a doctor because that just doesn't make any damn sense

  8. @OP I've had the same suspicions at times.
    Tbh I think it's down to high estrogen&cortisol and toxin buildup post workout made worse by the phytoestrogens in a lot of (particularly fibrous) 'clean' foods.
    Additionally, a surplus of calories decreases cortisol, a large saturated fat intake boosts testosterone which affects the test:estrogen balance, and a large carb intake boosts serotonin which further reduces cortisol.
    Junk food typically contains comparatively little phytoestrogens and so excess estrogen wouldn't be exacerbated by that.
    Sugar also allegedly boosts thyroid function which is boost for test, water balance and detoxification. At the same time cruciferous veg, when consumed in excess, induces hypothyroidism which would have the opposite effect

  9. You were depleted and you ate and filled out.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by APC80 View Post
    Cortisol maybe? The tingling nips sounds like estrogen tho. You could try arimistane see if that helps.
    Arimistane will not do anything for estrogen sides, possibly won't even do anything for cortisol.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by puffybegone View Post
    No I imagine I was eating way way more than I am right now.... instead of eating 3000 cals a day, I was eating for example full dairy milk chocolate bars 2 a day.... full size dominoes pizzas with dips.... mcdonalds for breakfast..... full big bags of doritos....and loads of other sugary processed crap all in one day... musta been easily 5000 cals. maybe my body had been crying out for those extra calories for so long when they got them... I could recover properly... no idea.

    Now i'm back to eating lean meats and veg with potatoes, protein shakes and fruit... always hitting around 3000 cals and looking like crap... another thing I notice aswell as the extreme bloating is an itching/tingling in my nipples post workout... like they itch like crazy an itch that can't be scratched.... ive been thinking it's cortisol/estrogen gone mad after a session but I've tried taking vit c and eating estrogen reducing foods like broccoli/cauliflower to no joy.

    I guarantee if I stop lifting for a few days I will debloat and lean out but all it takes is one session back at the gym and I blow up like staypuft marshmallow man.
    Have you recently come off a gear or ph cycle?

  12. Maybe you're an alien.
    Twenty-Two Until None
    I Am My Brothers Keeper

  13. I also notice that if I take some time off, my abs look ripped af and I'm leaner in general, but that's just because I'm eating less

  14. Quote Originally Posted by jt75 View Post
    Arimistane will not do anything for estrogen sides, possibly won't even do anything for cortisol.
    It'll dry him out if he's bloating tho

  15. Quote Originally Posted by APC80 View Post
    Cortisol maybe? The tingling nips sounds like estrogen tho. You could try arimistane see if that helps.
    I have long suspected it's cortisol, because I have something called a prolactinoma and was on hydrocorstisone to treat insufficient adrenals, however I have been off the hydrocortisone for a long time as my adrenals are fully functioning now, but always had a sneaky suspicion I may not be either producing enough to deal with my workouts or they over produce now.... I have a lot of symptoms that add up... water retention, unable to sleep, weak erections, tired but wired.... that all come on after working out... if I stop working out a few days all these things start to subside. I will look into that armistane stuff cheers

  16. Quote Originally Posted by jt75 View Post
    Have you recently come off a gear or ph cycle?
    No I've never touched anything but protein shakes, i'd be too scared to with my hormonal problems that I wrote about in my previous reply.

    PS; mon the hoops

  17. Quote Originally Posted by solidsnake View Post
    Haha this has got to be a troll job , the only person I've heard this happening to had an extremely rare condition
    someone with a prolactinoma maybe ?

  18. Quote Originally Posted by u_e_s_i View Post
    @OP I've had the same suspicions at times.
    Tbh I think it's down to high estrogen&cortisol and toxin buildup post workout made worse by the phytoestrogens in a lot of (particularly fibrous) 'clean' foods.
    Additionally, a surplus of calories decreases cortisol, a large saturated fat intake boosts testosterone which affects the test:estrogen balance, and a large carb intake boosts serotonin which further reduces cortisol.
    Junk food typically contains comparatively little phytoestrogens and so excess estrogen wouldn't be exacerbated by that.
    Sugar also allegedly boosts thyroid function which is boost for test, water balance and detoxification. At the same time cruciferous veg, when consumed in excess, induces hypothyroidism which would have the opposite effect
    That is me in a nutshell!!! if I eat clean and lift it makes me bloated, unable to sleep properly... or up all night pissing.... weak erections... tired but wired.. I look like s hit man flu like symptoms etc.... but if I dirty bulk I have no issues... the more trashy the food the better I feel but only eating at maintenance or a surplus.. if I'm cutting it is better than eating clean but my body needs those extra cals to lower cortisol as you have pointed out any tips for me apart from forever bulking would love to finally rid myself of this belly and hips!.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by puffybegone View Post
    No I've never touched anything but protein shakes, i'd be too scared to with my hormonal problems that I wrote about in my previous reply.

    PS; mon the hoops
    Aww no you're a septic fan as well. Bet your cortisol levels went thru the roof watching the Astana match lol

  20. Quote Originally Posted by APC80 View Post
    Aww no you're a septic fan as well. Bet your cortisol levels went thru the roof watching the Astana match lol
    Now now there's no need to say septic when you know you know you really meant invincibles, agent Pedro must stay and maybe he will make some progres!!! 😉🇮🇪🍀

  21. Quote Originally Posted by jt75 View Post
    Now now there's no need to say septic when you know you know you really meant invincibles, agent Pedro must stay and maybe he will make some progres!!!
    Weren't too invincible against St Johnstone on sat, bit lucky to even get a point in the end. Don't worry we'll be back in business soon enough and you'll not be guaranteed to walk the league every year.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by APC80 View Post
    Weren't too invincible against St Johnstone on sat, bit lucky to even get a point in the end. Don't worry we'll be back in business soon enough and you'll not be guaranteed to walk the league every year.
    I think you'll find the true meaning of invincible = unbeatable which we were on Saturday.
    Servco = Skint!
  23. took 3 weeks off... ate garbage food... looked ripped and hard.


    Quote Originally Posted by jt75 View Post
    I think you'll find the true meaning of invincible = unbeatable which we were on Saturday.
    Servco = Skint!
    We'll be back at the top very soon mate, going for 55

  24. Quote Originally Posted by APC80 View Post
    We'll be back at the top very soon mate, going for 55

  25. I think we underestimate the importance of rest and recovery and downplay the feel good factor of eating not so healthy foods. If you think about it, we punish our bodies in the gym but we also punish it (so to speak) by restricting what we eat and how much we eat. No matter how much we try to convince ourselves, sub consciously we are depressed and stressed out from the deliberate restrictions and high demands placed through training.

    Once you break that lock and free yourself from those restrictions, your body rebounds with positive feelings and physiological responses. But you can't do it forever because you may abuse it to the point where you start to hurt your gains.
    "A dumbbell is a man's best friend"
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