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    Sugar for carbs?


    I find it so difficult to consume 5,000 cals a day, and yes, that really is how much I need.

    I'm already relying heavily on milk for calories, I've been thinking of adding some chocolate syrup for additional cals.

    In principle this should work fine, as a calorie is basically a calorie, and even complex carbs all get broken down to simple sugar anyway.

    I guess what I'm asking is if anyone has tried incorporating more sugar in thier diet, and how the results were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R1187 View Post
    I find it so difficult to consume 5,000 cals a day, and yes, that really is how much I need.

    I'm already relying heavily on milk for calories, I've been thinking of adding some chocolate syrup for additional cals.

    In principle this should work fine, as a calorie is basically a calorie, and even complex carbs all get broken down to simple sugar anyway.

    I guess what I'm asking is if anyone has tried incorporating more sugar in thier diet, and how the results were.
    that would be ok to do if you are struggling getting enough calories but of course you would be better off consuming something with more vitamins/nutrients.
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    A calorie is not a calorie is not a calorie.. they are all metabolically different fats should be preferred over carbs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    A calorie is not a calorie is not a calorie.. they are all metabolically different fats should be preferred over carbs
    why is this? if he is hitting his fat and protein minimums then he can fill the remainder of the calories in with whichever he pleases
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    Perhaps. Perhaps not. Of course he could do that but sugar is not the best option and the logic that it all 'turns' into sugar eventually is misguided. From a physique standpoint he might not notice anything different, but from a health standpoint there is a difference. And I will always gravitate toward longetivity and health as opposed to simply looking good.
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    Certain foods effect the body differently from a hormonal standpoint.

    Hersheys syrup is probably corn syrup. I require LOTS OF CARBS to maintain size, I find good ol' complex messy as hell waxy maize great for

    having 150-250g carb drinks without any GI stress or bloat.

    I have 800G CARBS/DAY currently and half from karboload and waxy and staying hard and full.

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    how do you need to consume 5000 calories a day if you weigh 172?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaudioAnimal View Post
    how do you need to consume 5000 calories a day if you weigh 172?
    must be veeeery active
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaudioAnimal View Post
    how do you need to consume 5000 calories a day if you weigh 172?
    Wondered that myself...
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    very very active or the weight is not updated..
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1187 View Post
    I find it so difficult to consume 5,000 cals a day, and yes, that really is how much I need.

    I'm already relying heavily on milk for calories, I've been thinking of adding some chocolate syrup for additional cals.

    In principle this should work fine, as a calorie is basically a calorie, and even complex carbs all get broken down to simple sugar anyway.

    I guess what I'm asking is if anyone has tried incorporating more sugar in thier diet, and how the results were.
    Yes, I got fat which also led to insulin resistance, which led to eating more food because not all was utilized for energy production but was stored as fat...vicious cycle.
    In reality you right even sugar breaks down to glucose but it does so very quickly and it has little chance to be used as energy so it's stored as fat most times...unless you have a hyperthyroid issue which I would address it with meds rather than food or scale back your activity level so you dont require tons of food. Alternative to glucose for energy I'd consider fat.
    If you want to ulitize sugar then mix it with something that will slow down it's absorption. In any case I wouldnt consider this a long term strategy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musclefool View Post
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    disregard^ get your calories through whole foods
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    Or he could have a very high metabolism and be an extreme hard gainer.

    I would personally side with something else other than sugars, since they will make your insulin go all over the place. Nuts? Natty PB? Almond Oil? I find nuts to be the easiest since a handful of them is already a good 500calories and you can eat at will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaudioAnimal View Post
    how do you need to consume 5000 calories a day if you weigh 172?
    Needed 4K+ just to gain at 150lbs.

    Now I'm 172, on cycle, and am getting VERY deppressed due barely gaining 10lbs in 6 weeks.

    5K is probably the minimum I should be ingesting right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    Or he could have a very high metabolism and be an extreme hard gainer.

    I would personally side with something else other than sugars, since they will make your insulin go all over the place. Nuts? Natty PB? Almond Oil? I find nuts to be the easiest since a handful of them is already a good 500calories and you can eat at will.
    Allergic to nuts and peanut butter. I won't go into shock or anything, but I can't eat them.

    What do you guys think about olive oil?
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1187 View Post
    Allergic to nuts and peanut butter. I won't go into shock or anything, but I can't eat them.

    What do you guys think about olive oil?
    Good to go. Drop them into a shake with some coconut oil, itl add some nice flavour. You can up the carbs if your on cycle
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    Using waxy maize like jigg said and whole foods like cummings said are both good.

    Serious mass is not only expensive but it made me feel extremely bloated. Wouldnt get it again.

    Someone on here told me to add syrup to my shakes to slow metabolism. Add that and waxy maize to a protien shake and that should help

    Also when i eat clean i can eat a lot more.
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    sugar is half fructose and half glucose. fructose can only replenish liver glycogen and is not a healthy carb. complex carbs get broken down into only glucose which replenishes both muscle and liver glycogen. so eat less sugar, more complex carbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by icecold9487 View Post
    sugar is half fructose and half glucose. fructose can only replenish liver glycogen and is not a healthy carb. complex carbs get broken down into only glucose which replenishes both muscle and liver glycogen. so eat less sugar, more complex carbs.
    Thats table sugar, not sugar in general (milk sugar etc etc). Plus liver glycogen eventually makes it way into the blood but is just not ready metabolized into glucose for storage in muscle cells.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    Thats table sugar, not sugar in general (milk sugar etc etc). Plus liver glycogen eventually makes it way into the blood but is just not ready metabolized into glucose for storage in muscle cells.
    true. i was replying to him suggesting that he add extra sugar from chocolate syrup. it's more effective to replace both muscle and liver glycogen since a body running on only liver glycogen is not as strong as one running on both muscle and liver.
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1187 View Post

    Needed 4K+ just to gain at 150lbs.

    Now I'm 172, on cycle, and am getting VERY deppressed due barely gaining 10lbs in 6 weeks.

    5K is probably the minimum I should be ingesting right now.
    I'm 162 and make solid gains at 2800-3100 cals doing HIT type training
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1187 View Post
    Needed 4K+ just to gain at 150lbs.

    Now I'm 172, on cycle, and am getting VERY deppressed due barely gaining 10lbs in 6 weeks.

    5K is probably the minimum I should be ingesting right now.
    Same here. I don't gain unless I get in 4,000 cals. And even then its a slooooow gain. I recently began adding 1 cup of ice cream to my homemade weight gainer shake in order to bump up the calories and improve taste. This is now the "meal" I most look forward to. It has 1,000 cals, full of nutrients, and has made my life much easier.

    Anyway, in adding the ice cream, my logic was that I am already eating complex carbs, lean meats, and random fruits and veggies so it should be ok to throw in the ice cream. It's the only source of processed food in my diet. I've been eating healthy for a long time, but I'm making weight gain a priority these days. So kinda feel guilty about it.

    Why don't you throw up your diet and maybe we can give you some ideas. Also, I bought some Anabeta due to reviews claiming increased appetite. Will be trying it soon. Something you may want to look into.
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    I've started adding Sienna Bakery Cookies too, from GFS. Delicious and 120 calories each cookie, adds up well into the calories since you can easily eat several of them. Use them in my carb backloading.
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    I have the PERFECT thing for you if you can handle sugars okay.
    get those frozen bags of Berry's /fruits from the store. Put it in a blender.

    Add chocolate milk plus frozen strawberries( or your choice) plus banana chuncks. This will be a great 450 to 600 calorie smoothie to store in your icebox for in between meals. Add peanut butter and there is another 95 to 190 for 1-2 table spoons.calories. Add a couple egg whites (you don't really taste them) that's 25 to 35 more calories per egg. Plus add some maltodextrin and there's 100 to 300 more calories. Protien powder will add 100 to 150 more calories.Very good, not very filling and cheap as hell

    High Carb content with a little protien. All "good" or atleast "better" sugars than chocolate syrup
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    The problem with simple carbs are they create a insulin spike which then stores fat. As you said you need 5000+ calories to gain weight I guess you don't store fat so should be fine. Buy grounded oats. I chuck in 4 scoops which works out to be 92g of low gi carbs. Mix it with whey and a table spoon of olive oil. That would be 52g of protein. 92g of carbs. 27g of fat. Total calories = 820 calories. If you want it too be even more calories instead of water mix it all with 500ml of semi skimmed milk
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    Quote Originally Posted by inda11 View Post
    The problem with simple carbs are they create a insulin spike which then stores fat. As you said you need 5000+ calories to gain weight I guess you don't store fat so should be fine. Buy grounded oats. I chuck in 4 scoops which works out to be 92g of low gi carbs. Mix it with whey and a table spoon of olive oil. That would be 52g of protein. 92g of carbs. 27g of fat. Total calories = 820 calories. If you want it too be even more calories instead of water mix it all with 500ml of semi skimmed milk
    The least likely pathway for a carb is to be stored as fat. Insulin does indeed shuttle glucose into adipocytes but it also shuttles glucose into cells for cellular work and/ or storage.
    It doesn't get stored as fat until all other avenues are exhausted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inda11 View Post
    The problem with simple carbs are they create a insulin spike which then stores fat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    The least likely pathway for a cab is to be stroed as fat. Inuslin does indeed shuttle glucose into adipocytes but it also shuttles glucose into cells for cellular work and/ or storage.
    It doesn't get stored as fat until all other avenues are exhausted.
    exactly^ unless your glycogen levels are completely full and are in a calorie surplus then carbs will be stored
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    But I do limit carbs for other reasons, but that isn't one of them
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClaudioAnimal View Post
    how do you need to consume 5000 calories a day if you weigh 172?
    Maybe because all people react differently to different stimuli.

    I weigh a whopping 167-169 and can't gain weight at less than 43-4500 and its slow gaining (a pound or two every 1-2 months)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post

    The least likely pathway for a carb is to be stored as fat. Insulin does indeed shuttle glucose into adipocytes but it also shuttles glucose into cells for cellular work and/ or storage.
    It doesn't get stored as fat until all other avenues are exhausted.
    If you actually read what I said you might see I didn't say a carb would be stored as fat. In simple terms a simple sugar creates a insulin spike. Yes? Which then pulls a fatty acid into a fat cell. Yes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by R1187 View Post
    Needed 4K+ just to gain at 150lbs.

    Now I'm 172, on cycle, and am getting VERY deppressed due barely gaining 10lbs in 6 weeks.

    5K is probably the minimum I should be ingesting right now.
    Get your thyroid checked; that is not normal even for a hard gainer. And this BS above about you have to have whole food is just that, BS. There is nothing wrong with a shake made with quality ingredients.
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    Sure, slam down a bunch of sugar and get diabetes. That makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drewsicle3210 View Post
    Sure, slam down a bunch of sugar and get diabetes. That makes sense.
    You realize that by your logic those that use dextrose post workout or even gatorade will get diabetes... so not the case. Maybe do some reading on what is needed long term to put a person at risk for developing type 2 diabetes.
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    Ok. That isn't what I meant. And the Amounts and frequency that I am assuming that he is stressing over isn't a post workout shake


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    I've actually read that 4 table spoons a day of extra virgin olive oil is good for you (at least according to the mediterranean diet). This would add about an extra 600 calories a day pretty easily and maybe in a healthier way than sugar. There's other problems with using sugar i have read that blood sugar spikes can actually lower testosterone also sugar itself can be addictive and has effects on the brain similar to hard drugs. I wouldn't supplement it for extra calories and if you want proof you can look up the sugar study on 60 minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inda11 View Post
    If you actually read what I said you might see I didn't say a carb would be stored as fat. In simple terms a simple sugar creates a insulin spike. Yes? Which then pulls a fatty acid into a fat cell. Yes?
    yes but that's not all it does is what jiigz was trying to say
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    Quote Originally Posted by cumminslifter View Post
    yes but that's not all it does is what jiigz was trying to say
    Yes but this guy doesn't need to know everything behind it. Need to keep it simple so he understands.
  

  
 

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