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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post

    Wow, crazy. Sometimes you learn the hard way, but if it hadn't of happened, it could have been worse.
    Seriously . It allowed me to educate myself about diet and track what I eat. So it wasn't a bad thing

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    Diet actually isn't that horrible. Its similar to a PSMF but with more protein. Its bordering Chris Shugarts velocity diet.

    Your problem seems to be that your not incorporating refeeds into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    Its hard to quantify given that testosterone is tightly regulated by a plethora of factors; not just fats. But they have made correlations between fats and testosterone:

    http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_...terone_booster
    http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/64/6/850.short

    Decrease in HDL associated with decrease in testosterone:
    http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/146/8/609.short

    but semantics aside, he is not a bodybuilder and his health is of optimal focus atm, not performance or lowering bf levels (although I could dispute this too). He clearly is misinformed about the role of macronutrients within the body and is fearful (admitted) of carbs and fats and you fueling the fear is doing nothing to help.
    Man I stopped bein useful to this board a long time ago, lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    Diet actually isn't that horrible. Its similar to a PSMF but with more protein. Its bordering Chris Shugarts velocity diet.

    Your problem seems to be that your not incorporating refeeds into it.

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    Its a starvation diet; and contains no whole foods. Considering he may only be leaving around <500kcals for physiological functions (almost boderline zero i'd say). And the extreme weight fluctuations (as much as 9kg in 7 days IIRC) and deriving calories solely from Whey protein (no whole foods) and 11 training sessions in 6 days. Theres no way this food intake can sustain the tremendous volume and recovery.

    No solid foods etc.

    The diet is terrible, imo at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fueledpassion View Post
    Man I stopped bein useful to this board a long time ago, lol
    Not true, I just like to stick up for my fats (albeit I only aim for .5g per lb)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post

    Its a starvation diet; and contains no whole foods. Considering he may only be leaving around <500kcals for physiological functions (almost boderline zero i'd say). And the extreme weight fluctuations (as much as 9kg in 7 days IIRC) and deriving calories solely from Whey protein (no whole foods) and 11 training sessions in 6 days. Theres no way this food intake can sustain the tremendous volume and recovery.

    No solid foods etc.

    The diet is terrible, imo at least.
    His CNS must be shut down. Over training plus no fuel for the nervous system, how does he function
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    Its a starvation diet; and contains no whole foods. Considering he may only be leaving around <500kcals for physiological functions (almost boderline zero i'd say). And the extreme weight fluctuations (as much as 9kg in 7 days IIRC) and deriving calories solely from Whey protein (no whole foods) and 11 training sessions in 6 days. Theres no way this food intake can sustain the tremendous volume and recovery.

    No solid foods etc.

    The diet is terrible, imo at least.
    http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/41....full.pdf+html

    Kleen even has a log on here with this style of dieting Kleen Crashes Head first into fat loss using Lyle McDonald's Rapid Fat Loss Handbook.

    Now the volume does seem a bit much but my point was the diet in general really isnt all that horrible of a diet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/41....full.pdf+html

    Kleen even has a log on here with this style of dieting Kleen Crashes Head first into fat loss using Lyle McDonald's Rapid Fat Loss Handbook.

    Now the volume does seem a bit much but my point was the diet in general really isnt all that horrible of a diet.
    Haven't done Rapid FatLoss before, but I can vouch for low calorie type diets. Obviously not something one would want to do forever, but UD 2.0 (also by Lyle) had me eating about 1500 calories and nil carbs for 3 days straight. UD 2.0 is the single best diet I have ever done and nothing else comes close. While I haven't done RFL, Lyle freaking knows his ****. The main problem would be not following what he says and trying to get cute thinking you can improve something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoforce View Post
    Haven't done Rapid FatLoss before, but I can vouch for low calorie type diets. Obviously not something one would want to do forever, but UD 2.0 (also by Lyle) had me eating about 1500 calories and nil carbs for 3 days straight. UD 2.0 is the single best diet I have ever done and nothing else comes close. While I haven't done RFL, Lyle freaking knows his ****. The main problem would be not following what he says and trying to get cute thinking you can improve something.
    UD 2.0 is the only diet by Lyle that I have yet to personally try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    UD 2.0 is the only diet by Lyle that I have yet to personally try.
    Lol, actually it's the only one of his I HAVE tried despite being fairly familiar with most of his stuff. What's your favorite?

    To all: FWIW I am not commenting on OP's diet or the discussion. Was skimming the thread and commenting on Lyle's stuff.
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    My 2 cents as a recovered anorexic- you're on the path to a life of hell, obsessive and ritualistic eating and training habits. It's dangerous and unecessary. Why try to reinvent the wheel? People know how to lose fat and gain muscle ... Idk what the point of this is. It's kinda twisted and very unhealthy. Sorry if I'm being blunt, but after doing something similar, I ended up in ICU on my death bed... Doctors were shocked at my ability to recover.

    I don't take this stuff lightly and the fact you're making it a quote experiment- it's not- its disordered eating. So do yourself a favor and learn how to diet and train the right way. You wont rewrite any science booksdoing this, you'll just become a statistic of deaths caused by anorexia.

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    That is what you can expect as the result of your 'experiment' taken days before I was technically declared dead @ ~100 lbs
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/41....full.pdf+html

    Kleen even has a log on here with this style of dieting Kleen Crashes Head first into fat loss using Lyle McDonald's Rapid Fat Loss Handbook.

    Now the volume does seem a bit much but my point was the diet in general really isnt all that horrible of a diet.
    Interesting; but I still could never advocate for this type of approach. Did they measure hormonal response? Stress? Rebound after the diet? Bone Density? Were kidney tests done? Liver? and so on. All it seems they measured was the anthropometric and calormetric evidence without shedding light on the ultimate stress placed on the body.

    Are there any studies with safety testing done?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post

    Interesting; but I still could never advocate for this type of approach. Did they measure hormonal response? Stress? Rebound after the diet? Bone Density? Were kidney tests done? Liver? and so on. All it seems they measured was the anthropometric and calormetric evidence without shedding light on the ultimate stress placed on the body.

    Are there any studies with safety testing done?
    I shrunk an inch, my kidneys Stopped concentrating urine, my bun was OUTRAGEOUS along with my ck level

    I stopped producing sperm and semen and developed life long low t at age 18, still having issues at 24 w that. Adrenals and thyroid is shot. And have VERY POOR stress tolerance... To training and very carb intolerant .. The list is endless... It's not safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    Interesting; but I still could never advocate for this type of approach. Did they measure hormonal response? Stress? Rebound after the diet? Bone Density? Were kidney tests done? Liver? and so on. All it seems they measured was the anthropometric and calormetric evidence without shedding light on the ultimate stress placed on the body.

    Are there any studies with safety testing done?
    That one I posted because it was specifically done with powder protein supplement but PSMF is a clinical tool and has been for a while now.

    Now Im not advocating this as a lifestyle diet but when someone has hit a plateau or set point an extreme approach like PSMF seems to help blast through it and allows for a continuation with weight loss. Depending on the level of obesity anywhere from 4-16 weeks is fine IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    That one I posted because it was specifically done with powder protein supplement but PSMF is a clinical tool and has been for a while now.

    Now Im not advocating this as a lifestyle diet but when someone has hit a plateau or set point an extreme approach like PSMF seems to help blast through it and allows for a continuation with weight loss. Depending on the level of obesity anywhere from 4-16 weeks is fine IMO
    I'll have a look around to see what I can find. I'd be very interested to see the effects (if any) it has + if people rebound and rapid weight gain after eliminating (at least partially) whole foods from their diet.

    Could not down-regulation of digestive enzymes occur over 16 weeks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    I shrunk an inch, my kidneys Stopped concentrating urine, my bun was OUTRAGEOUS along with my ck level

    I stopped producing sperm and semen and developed life long low t at age 18, still having issues at 24 w that. Adrenals and thyroid is shot. And have VERY POOR stress tolerance... To training and very carb intolerant .. The list is endless... It's not safe.
    I can only imagine. I must admit though that eating disorders are typically out of my scope of knowledge but are so prevalent in the sporting industry (as it mostly all happens behind closed doors). Early detection and prevention is the best approach imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    I'll have a look around to see what I can find. I'd be very interested to see the effects (if any) it has + if people rebound and rapid weight gain after eliminating (at least partially) whole foods from their diet.

    Could not down-regulation of digestive enzymes occur over 16 weeks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post

    I can only imagine. I must admit though that eating disorders are typically out of my scope of knowledge but are so prevalent in the sporting industry (as it mostly all happens behind closed doors). Early detection and prevention is the best approach imo.
    Agreed. Thanks for popping in my thread. I think u can tell what really sparked me to create it lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza View Post
    Agreed. Thanks for popping in my thread. I think u can tell what really sparked me to create it lol
    Haha yes, I figured once I saw it pop up. But its a good idea, so props.
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