TOO much protein?
- 12-15-2012, 12:40 PM
- 12-15-2012, 01:22 PM
well on cycle is a total mystery. but 80% of everyone on any fitness forum will throw out that 1.5-2g per lb of body weight bull****. after all, more is better right?
- 12-15-2012, 01:42 PM
12-15-2012, 01:50 PM
Too many calories (over your maintenance level) coming from protein, carbs, or fats can cause you to add body fat.
A lot of excess protein can put added stress on your kidneys as well.
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12-16-2012, 12:35 PM
Wether your on a test cycle or not excess protein isnt always a good thing. I stay at 1g per lean mass, why do you say "overdose"? Its not like you'll wake up in a hospital with tubes in your throatOriginally Posted by Thomasxavier
12-16-2012, 12:38 PM
I weigh 177 right now, and am 5'11. My goal is to get up to 190, then cut down to around 8% bodyfat. I am currently at around 13%.
My macros are along the lines of 70% protein a day, 20% carbs and 10% fat. I can tell by your earlier post that you will yell at me for this.
What would you consider excessive amounts of protein, if I am 177 lbs and on a 600mg a week test cyp cycle
12-16-2012, 12:40 PM
on cycle or not, your macros are whack. How did you decide on those? 40/30/30 c/f/p. Lift heavy. Some of your gain will be fat. That's just how it works. The inverse is also true.
12-16-2012, 12:48 PM
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12-16-2012, 01:31 PM
12-16-2012, 02:00 PM
arnt you? your the one making the stupid threads with the newby questions. my sccount actually shows my ageOriginally Posted by Thomasxavier
heres one for you
shouldnt you learn how to exercise before using steroids?
12-16-2012, 02:00 PM
12-16-2012, 03:57 PM
Fact - One pound of mammal muscle contains about 140 grams of protein: The rest (in order of mass) is water, fats, and carbohydrates.
Fact - It requires approximately 2500-3000 additional kcal to biosynthesize one pound of human muscle
Fact - No published study (and there are 1000's of them out there) shows any benefit WRT to strength or muscle mass when protein consumption exceeds 1 g/lb of body weight.
Within your muscles you have anabolic capacity and anabolic efficiency. Its more about those latter two terms, along with sufficient energy intake that will dictate muscle gains. Consuming an excess of protein will:
A. Decrease wallet size
B. Be deaminated (remove the nitrogen) to ultimately form glucose or fatty acids
C. Increase the work of the kidneys to filter and excrete the excess nitrogen (ammonia)
D. Decrease blood pH resulting in a state of mild chronic metabolic acidosis
E. Which will then result in the excretion of calcium and phosphorus in an attempt to maintain blood pH
F. All of the above are not good.
12-16-2012, 04:01 PM
now do you know anything on the myth of protein synthesis while on cycle? i always agreed on 1g/lb body weight, you just solidified my thoughtsOriginally Posted by ZiR RED
12-16-2012, 04:09 PM
Ive used 1g per lean mass with out any problems. Also curious about being on cycle increases synthesisOriginally Posted by ThunderHumper
12-16-2012, 04:14 PM
Based on anecdotal evidence, after the water retention is lost, one might gain say 10-15 pounds of muscle on a 10 week cycle? That would equate to an additional 210 grams of protein synthesized into muscle each week for 15 pounds in 10 weeks. In reality, that's about 30-40 grams of extra protein a day. Its supplying the fuel for the biological work that becomes important, or consuming the 4000-5000 calories per week above what is needed to fuel workouts and daily life that I think is most important. What macronutrient that energy comes from (hopefully fat or carbohydrates) should depend on the individual.
12-16-2012, 04:16 PM
Re: TOO much protein?
A. I would rather spend more money on meat then nutrient void pasta
B. Not necessarily a bad thing. Glucogenesis isn't evil
C. Healthy normal functioning kdneys are perfectly capable of handling a higher pro diet
D. Eat more veggies
E. See D
F. None of which are really that bad
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance." - Socrates
12-16-2012, 04:25 PM
1. This isn't a forum about steroids, although that information can be found here. Not only are you in the nutrition/health posting but anabolic "simply means to be building. Chicken and sweet potatos are anabolic.
2. Not enough fats, far too much protein. a 40/40/20 OR 40/30/30 C/P/F is a good ratio for building up. You need all three to properly create new muscle tissue.
3. Kidney stress from excess protein, although possible but unlikely, causes cell damage and stones from uric acid, calcium, or phosphorous.
By believing passionately in something that still does not exist, we create it. The nonexistent is whatever we have not sufficiently desired.
12-16-2012, 04:31 PM
yea i always preached 1g/lb on cycle as well.Originally Posted by hvactech
thanks for the answer there dr
and the reason they demonize high protein diets is because its been blown WAY out of proportion by the typical meatheads. think about it. on every forum, including this one, 95% of every advice given about protein suggest 250-350g per day or 1.5-2g/lb bodyweight. i dont even know where people get those numbers, but its pretty stupid. would they follow a cow off a cliff too?
12-16-2012, 04:46 PM
This is all I will say on the topic. If 1gr/lb of bodyweight was sufficient while on cycle, pro bodybuilders would consume ~250gr/day. They usually consume 400-500gr/ day. Take it for what it's worth but I think they have a pretty good handle on nutrition
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12-16-2012, 04:56 PM
Its hard to compare a pro bodybuilder to the average bodybuilding hobbiest, the pro's i follow also train twice a day which adds to alot of calorie expidenture.Originally Posted by Distilled Water
12-16-2012, 04:57 PM
well yeah but they also shoot themselves with 2-6000mg test/week along with other hormones to improve their physique. they dont count as part of the typical lifters like 99.9% of the people on forums. and since we established there is some kind of protein synthesis increase while on cycle, there's would be much higher due to their advanced cycling protocolOriginally Posted by Distilled Water
12-16-2012, 05:08 PM
If I'm not mistaken the question was about protein intake on cycle? Not training volume, not advanced protocols, not "typical forum lifters". I'll even reduce the specific's of my original statement. As I understand its hard to relate professional level athletes to amateur athletes. My apologies....
If 1gr/lb of body weight was sufficient. Anyone who was on cycle and on stage between 175-195lbs would only consume the equal amount of protein. They do not, their intakes are closer to 300-400gr. Can we agree one who steps on stage at the top of a middle weight class is not a professional level bodybuilder, typically?
I'm just trying to give some clarity on the issue. This forum is supposed to be for discussion and it drives me nuts when I see people getting excited and being brash over a silly subject.
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