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    Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    Ehh, this post does not reinforce your argument. It is for IRREGULAR meal patterns; what about 3 meals per day EVERY day (i.e. a regular meal pattern?).

    Study is pointless in regards to this debate.
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    "To be clear, the argument was whether or not the spike in metabolism food creates can be manipulated for weight loss or not."

    And the study quoted, as discussed in its conclusion posted here, shows that yes, it can. I'm sure your diversion was unintentional but either way the angle you're on now wasn't even the discussion to begin with.

    Not only that, protein synthesis and the regular intake of aminos to support it is the topic you are currently challenging, or were, I guess.

    On that note, what is your dieting protocol? Because every bodybuilding diet I've ever seen has advocated a frequent and regular intake of aminos, however delivered, including IF diets geared to weight training.

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    No it doesnt, and that will be as much time I will spend responding to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    No it doesnt, and that will be as much time I will spend responding to that.
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    CONCLUSION: Irregular meal frequency led to a lower postprandial energy expenditure compared with the regular meal frequency, while the mean energy intake was not significantly different between the two. The reduced TEF with the irregular meal frequency may lead to weight gain in the long term.

    It's been fun, with plenty of semantic twists and topic diversions, but yes, TEF can be manipulated for weight management as supported by research. I don't expect you to acknowledge it though, don't worry.

    Can we discuss frequent amino intake and protein synthesis now or is Jiggs on his own for that one?
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    Why do you insist on pounding that study over and over when all it touches upon is TEF, which is only a minor part of TDEE? As I pointed out to you in the other thread, the RMR was not significantly different amongst the groups and this study only points to IRREGULAR eating patterns and does not discuss the meal frequency topic as it pertains to consistent "diets."
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    How about you focus on this


    http://m.diabetes.diabetesjournals.o...46/2/313.short

    And go off the research showing how long it takes insulin levels to fall. This way you can see how detrimental more then 3 meals a day can be
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    How about you focus on this


    Edit: I just wrote up a reply with a link to a human study demonstrating exercise's effect on insulin sensitivity but forgot I can't post it! I'm on a phone and it is a pain to jump screens, copy and paste but I can later if necessary.

    And go off the research showing how long it takes insulin levels to fall. This way you can see how detrimental more then 3 meals a day can be
    This has been a point of interest for me lately. However, many studies only discuss diet, with the limitation of the effect exercise has on insulin and leptin levels.

    Edit: I posted a study demonstrating exercise's effect on insulin sensitivity but forgot I can't link. I'm on a phone and copy paste is a pain but I can do so later if necessary.



    As far as I know, there haven't been any studies directly related to bodybuilding activities and the issue you have raised, I've only seen them referencing a general population (I haven't looked hard). This would be a limitation as I'm willing to bet I exercise with significantly more intensity and eat much cleaner than the study participants, including anti-inflammatory, low glycemic foods. It's also my understanding that with the proper stimulus, various hormonal changes brought on by intense exercise create a nutrient repartioning effect, where insulin is my "friend" as opposed to an average joe sitting on the couch and maybe walking a couple miles per week, the likely candidate for such studies.

    Diabetes doesn't really run in my family per se, but my mother, an active, regular gym goer nearing 60 who eats healthy is exhibiting pre-diabetic symptoms though, so I do keep an eye on my own blood work, and would appreciate any further insight on this particular vein of discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TexasGuy

    This has been a point of interest for me lately. However, many studies only discuss diet, with the limitation of the effect exercise has on insulin and leptin levels.

    Edit: I posted a study demonstrating exercise's effect on insulin sensitivity but forgot I can't link. I'm on a phone and copy paste is a pain but I can do so later if necessary.

    As far as I know, there haven't been any studies directly related to bodybuilding activities and the issue you have raised, I've only seen them referencing a general population (I haven't looked hard). This would be a limitation as I'm willing to bet I exercise with significantly more intensity and eat much cleaner than the study participants, including anti-inflammatory, low glycemic foods. It's also my understanding that with the proper stimulus, various hormonal changes brought on by intense exercise create a nutrient repartioning effect, where insulin is my "friend" as opposed to an average joe sitting on the couch and maybe walking a couple miles per week, the likely candidate for such studies.

    Diabetes doesn't really run in my family per se, but my mother, an active, regular gym goer nearing 60 who eats healthy is exhibiting pre-diabetic symptoms though, so I do keep an eye on my own blood work, and would appreciate any further insight on this particular vein of discussion.
    What you need to understand is how it relates to body fat directly

    Insulin can be a friend or foe for anyone especially reaching 15% or higher in men which is why you constantly see people bulking and adding more fat ten usual but when on test or other hormones they Recomp. Strictly due to leptin and insulin
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    This is also why I advocate a Gda on a bulk like recompadrol
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    Last time I checked 3 meals was considered multiple meals... Idk, but that title throws me off...
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    i go 3 meals a day with power snacks or drinks in between..
    gotta do 1 more.. and then 1 more..
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    Quote Originally Posted by houstontexas View Post
    Last time I checked 3 meals was considered multiple meals... Idk, but that title throws me off...
    Agreed, but we are discussing more on the lines of "you have to eat every 3 hours" mantra that many still advocate despite the fact there is very little anecdotal evidence that supports this regime over having a smaller number of larger meals. Even further, some have also (myself) advocated the fact that you don't need to eat that often and you could have as little as one meal a day if it accomplished your caloric goal, especially with some of the benefits seen by fasting and fasted cardio.

    Based on that study there is no evidence that the number of meals a day will have any direct effect on weight management, rather up or down, the main part is to keep consistent, i.e. if you eat 3 times a day or 6 times a day, try to do it at the same time frame day in and day out, and don't fluctuate between 1 meal one day, 9 meals the next, 5 meals the one after.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 77sem77 View Post
    I usually take three meals.
    Stop digging up old threads lol. Let them R.I.P
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    I opt for 5-6 meals a day only because my caloric intake is so high that if I ate that much in 3 sittings I'd feel bloated and sluggish all day
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscar View Post
    I opt for 5-6 meals a day only because my caloric intake is so high that if I ate that much in 3 sittings I'd feel bloated and sluggish all day
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