Vegan vs vegetarian vs "normal" diet

[virago88]

I found a few studies that are relevant. I have avoided sites or studies that are bias or have an agenda (a study funded by the meat industry promoting health benefits of high protein diets are just as dubious as a vegan-pro study funded by PETA). And apologies for not being able to provide the links as I don't have enough posts. But I've given enough of the sources info for you to easily google it.


The first study I found came from the US National Libary of Medicine. The Oxford Vegeterian Study was completed in the UK with subjects recruited between 1980-1984. Although this is a fairly dated study it is still worth looking at as it takes various lifestyle and dietary factors into consideration. They found that the health of vegeterans was better than meat eaters, but that vegans were at risk of iodine deficiency.

The next study, a more recent one came from Harvard.
Harvard's School of Public Health published research which observed 37,698 for 22 yrs and 83,644 women for up to 28 yrs. These subjects were free from cardiovascular disease and cancer at a base line. Their diets were assessed every four years. They discovered that "one daily serving of processed red meat (1 hot dog or 2 slices of bacon) was associated with a 20% increased [mortality] risk". Meanwhile, one daily serving (size of a deck of cards) of unprocessed red meat has a 13% increased risk. They also found benefits with replacing one serving of red meat with a healthier protein choice, like fish, poultry, nuts & legumes).


And finally, in June 2012 a study published in the Medical Journal of Australia, claimed health benefits of a Vegeterian diet over a meeting eating one. This study again noted that vegan were at a risk of developing a b12 deficiency, but the key was being a well prepared. A well prepared plant based diet can meet the nutritional needs for both children and adults.

In both the Harvard and Australian studies cancer, diabetes, obesity and rates where higher among the meat eating subjects.

Hope this adds another thinking point to a very interesting topic.

[JudoJosh]

Cite the studies.

PMID numbers or at least the title of the study

[virago88]

Cite the studies.

PMID numbers or at least the title of the study

Sure.

'The Oxford Vegeterian Study': PMID 10479226 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

The Harvard one is called 'Red Meat Consumption and Mortality: Results from 2 Prospective Cohort Studies'. Arch Intern Med. 2012;172(7):555-563

A plant-based diet -- good for us and for the planet

MJA Open 2012; 1 Suppl 2: 5-6.
doi:
10.5694/mjao11.11508

[Rodja]

Yeah I should have been specific. I train six times a week (sports and weights) sometimes two training sessions a day. When I was doing paleo- I felt starved, body fat was going up (ableit slowly) and very low energy. Then I researched Paleo for athletes, which allowed for some grains. This was even worse, I was putting on weight at a fast rate and was constantly tired and craving 'junk'. As a vegan I am training with more energy, I am trainingnharder and longer, and for the first time in a long time I feel that food is no biggy (meaning it's not constantly on my mind). So I guess for me it's a physical, as well as a psychological improvement.

Paleo does not promote grains. EVER. Paleo for athletes does include some tubers, but not grains. The problem now with Paleo is that there is so much bad information about it since it became a trend in nutrition (leave to CF'ers to mess up another good thing). I've done full Paleo while training for fights about 10-12x/week and it can be easily done as long as you're doing it right (e.g. increasing protein and fats) and timing the carbs properly.

[mumbles12]

Rodja..
What combat sport have you competed in on the Paleo diet, im curious.. I think Paleo would be good for sports "in general" just wouldnt have thought it would be very good for combat sports such as boxing or mma? ...

If you could pm us some info or post back in thread as im quite interested tbh.. I train boxing and thats the only thing that has kept me from trying Paleo as im training like 6 days a week often twicxe a day.

[Rodja]

Rodja..
What combat sport have you competed in on the Paleo diet, im curious.. I think Paleo would be good for sports "in general" just wouldnt have thought it would be very good for combat sports such as boxing or mma? ...

If you could pm us some info or post back in thread as im quite interested tbh.. I train boxing and thats the only thing that has kept me from trying Paleo as im training like 6 days a week often twicxe a day.

Why wouldn't it be good for combat sports? It requires a lot of discipline during the initial transition period as you may feel lethargic and somewhat weak, but it subsides after 10-14 days. The key is that you have to implement tubers on a more frequent basis to keep glycogen stores high and to not be afraid of fats. Fats often comprise >40% of my total caloric intake while full Paleo.

[EBF Inc]

I competed in kickboxing on a keto all was fine energy wise I had a ton during training csmp