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  1. Quote Originally Posted by AdiPure7 View Post
    Yes I know that from a biological perspective. All I am saying is carbs should be and are the main source of glucose for the human body. Even if you have some ketones in your blood your body needs to get rid of them because they are acidic which messes up your acid base balance. Like I said earlier and you disagreed. Adaptation is obvious but your body would rather just get energy from carbs because it has no side effects.
    Agree to disagree. I understand what you are saying and trying to get across but there are studies that prove points from both sides, dependant on the stance you wish to take. Ive managed to keep my BF% around 10-11% through a low carb diet (around 100-150g of carbs per day) and this works fine for me. And when im cutting, I drop it down to around 50-70g and shred of BF like crazy. On a bulk I up carbs to around 150-200g but that is my max.

    Many others on this forum have had success with both high carb and low carb diets and so it is a matter of personal preference imo. However I do draw the line when people say that low carb diets are dangerous, when high carb diets can also be dangerous. You just have to find a balance that works for you.


  2. How about this side effect from carbs DIABETES! Which kind of puts another twist in your theory of no side effects from carbs and further more, you can only process carbs through insulin whereas fats can be processed very easily without anything. If the cells are insulin insensitive or insulin is not excreted enough you are ****ed. According to your theory without glucose you will die since you cant use fat for energy but you dont. Your body can use fat for energy extremely easy and efficient for life. Many type 1 diabetics do eat a low carb diet and they live a long life. If you bother to read, which you seem to have a hard time doing and reason I asked how old you were, you will find that major organs preffer ketones body and fatty acids for energy much better then glucose. Only reason we run on insulin/glucose because we as a population we like grains and sugars. Doesnt mean it's good for you...hence why so many ppl have type 2 diabetes and methabolic syndrome. Eating vegetables and some fruit is def much better if you wish to eat carbs but it's really not enough to live on that alone hence adding fat will supply the rest of the nutritional calories along with protein.
    Please stop arguing about this and read for god's sake because you sound ridiculous.
    BTW, you dont know squat from any biological perspective because your answers lack any understanding of the material either practical or theoretical. The statement in which you said that there are no side effect from eating carbs proves that.
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  3. It's pretty obvious your are writing from a subjective point of view. If you've ever read a biology book you would know that glucose is the main form of energy for humans which is preferred by the body by carbs. Eating too much of something is always going to turn out negative but I never said consuming high amounts of carbs doesn't provoke diabetes. There are so many different factors that play a role. Just because you have had limited success in your low carb diet doesn't make it right. There are no side effects from carbs if you eat healthy exercise and don't over eat.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz

    Agree to disagree. I understand what you are saying and trying to get across but there are studies that prove points from both sides, dependant on the stance you wish to take. Ive managed to keep my BF% around 10-11% through a low carb diet (around 100-150g of carbs per day) and this works fine for me. And when im cutting, I drop it down to around 50-70g and shred of BF like crazy. On a bulk I up carbs to around 150-200g but that is my max.

    Many others on this forum have had success with both high carb and low carb diets and so it is a matter of personal preference imo. However I do draw the line when people say that low carb diets are dangerous, when high carb diets can also be dangerous. You just have to find a balance that works for you.
    I'm glad that you can admit both sides of the argument. I just hate how there are so many rumors and lies within the nutritional world today. I'm happy I'm getting my information from textbooks and not the internet because every other site conflicts with each others research and information.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by AdiPure7 View Post
    I'm glad that you can admit both sides of the argument. I just hate how there are so many rumors and lies within the nutritional world today. I'm happy I'm getting my information from textbooks and not the internet because every other site conflicts with each others research and information.
    Text books are good, but just remember the context and for whom they are written for. A bodybuilder has different needs/wants and goals to an olympic track runner who requires a high volume of carbs in his/her diet to sustain performance etc. etc. (i have five nutrition text books for the record) and have read them all almost cover to cover and, while some of the information is the same, it also differs (especially in regards to macronutirent timing, loading and other protocols).

    Also, general health textbooks place emphasis on health rather than performance and so much of their information that is directed at specific audiences has no real bearing on an 'athlete'. imo nothing beats a combination of text books and peer reviewed journals, so long as you dont just read the abstracts, but criticise the way they organsied/carried out/ selected subjects etc. to gauge just how reliable that information is. Something that will serve you well in your study at college, because not everything you see or every study you hear of was carried out without bias.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by AdiPure7 View Post
    I'm glad that you can admit both sides of the argument. I just hate how there are so many rumors and lies within the nutritional world today. I'm happy I'm getting my information from textbooks and not the internet because every other site conflicts with each others research and information.
    The bitter truth is that we all have been told for 50 years that a low fat/high carb diet rich in whole grains and what not is heart healthy and safe for us. It is not the case, there are millions of americans with diabetes. That's a fact that cannot be denied.
    I can tell you from experience that when you go to a doctor and blood glucose fasted is 100 or higher you understand very quickly what it means in theory to eat carbs and how real experience will change your mind very quickly.
    Unfortunately, humans are not designed to burn 400-600g of carbs a day, everyday, for the rest of our life.
    If you talk to ppl you will quickly realize that many, as they hit their 30's and 40's they are fat, slughish, and have the onset on type 2 diabetes. It's all over the news it's not a myth, it's a reality.
    I know you are confused by all this but books have been and will be written that are wrong. My body runs as the main energy source on fat that means fatty acids and ketones. I do eat carbs but I burn glucose on a limited base as it is almost imposible for me to eat 3000calories in carbohydrates a day to sustain my activity level. Im perfectly healthy without any issues. If I were to listen to the mainstream I would be on some kind glucose meds and im not fat or laizy. Our bodies just cannot deal with eating carbs as main form of energy such as whole grains and sugars..it's that simple.
    I agree with Jigzz in that 100-150g of carbs a day is ok to eat. But that's only about 500calories. Where are you going to get the rest from?
    Let me know when you read your books

  7. Quote Originally Posted by vassille View Post
    The bitter truth is that we all have been told for 50 years that a low fat/high carb diet rich in whole grains and what not is heart healthy and safe for us. It is not the case, there are millions of americans with diabetes. That's a fact that cannot be denied.
    I can tell you from experience that when you go to a doctor and blood glucose fasted is 100 or higher you understand very quickly what it means in theory to eat carbs and how real experience will change your mind very quickly.
    Unfortunately, humans are not designed to burn 400-600g of carbs a day, everyday, for the rest of our life.
    If you talk to ppl you will quickly realize that many, as they hit their 30's and 40's they are fat, slughish, and have the onset on type 2 diabetes. It's all over the news it's not a myth, it's a reality.
    I know you are confused by all this but books have been and will be written that are wrong. My body runs as the main energy source on fat that means fatty acids and ketones. I do eat carbs but I burn glucose on a limited base as it is almost imposible for me to eat 3000calories in carbohydrates a day to sustain my activity level. Im perfectly healthy without any issues. If I were to listen to the mainstream I would be on some kind glucose meds and im not fat or laizy. Our bodies just cannot deal with eating carbs as main form of energy such as whole grains and sugars..it's that simple.
    I agree with Jigzz in that 100-150g of carbs a day is ok to eat. But that's only about 500calories. Where are you going to get the rest from?
    Let me know when you read your books
    Mostly i run less than this. And shred mainatin bf% alot easier now. Thats mainly because of what you told me before haha

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Jiigzz View Post
    Mostly i run less than this. And shred mainatin bf% alot easier now. Thats mainly because of what you told me before haha
    haha good for you
    I think I remember there was another discussion about this on another thread if I remember correctly.
  

  
 

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