Ketosis carbs?

[xR1pp3Rx]

awesome man let us know how things pan out.

[mcdiddy4]

Thanks. I'm new to forums but i thought I'd throw this out there for help. Maybe I should start a new thread??

In case anybody reads this and curious about what I'm doing. My goal is simple: To see how lean I can possibly get without sacrificing muscle or strength (or very little). I took my BFP today and am hovering around 7-8%. I'll bulk/carb back up in the winter

I've was on modified paleo for 4-5 months (No sugar, grains, starches, and very little fruit) but did drink carbs after my workout. I usually 13-39g of (dextrose and maltodextrin mix) depending on the intensity and volume of the workout. I cheated no more than one day a week. I've probably been in ketosis for awhile now.

The last three weeks I have been practicing leangains while on a keto diet. My first meal is at 1pm and the last at 8-9pm. I workout 6 days a week hiit (15-30minutes) and Max 1 body part(DL, SQ, Bench) a weak. Bikram Yoga on my off day to recover.

Supplements
Morning:
thermogenic (Oxyelite)

Afternoon after 1st meal:
DAA/ Erase Pro

Preworkout:
Virgin coconut oil or Quest Bar
BCAA (AminoX)

Postworkout:
Scoup of Whey Isolate (25g Isopure)
Scoup of Maltodextrin (13g)
5gm Creatine Mix (Musclepharm)

Dinner
Optimum Nutrition Opti-Men

Before Bed:
ZMA (ZMK by Millennium Sport)

Daily Macros (185g Protein) (154 Fat) (39 Carbs around workout) (~25grams carbs from green vegetables)

Does anybody have any suggestions on supplements to meet my goals? -maybe a pre-workout supp or different macro breakdown for keto.

[xR1pp3Rx]

well there are several supplement one can use to benifit any keto diet. some of my favorites for keto diets are:

Plcar
A-Lc
chromium
vanadyl
plus a couple of blended GDA products...
Slin Sane
WhiteBlood 2

all of these are of great benifit.

[Clickster]

Keep up the good work! I personally have tried regular keto a few times and just can't go without carbs.
I start to freak out.

[mcdiddy4]

I looked at a big burrito after my workout today and went with the chicken salad. I have will power!. Question: how does beer and alcohol affect the keto diet. I'm debating getting out on the boat with some buddies and drinking a little bit. I know this is a stupid question,but will alcohol throw me out of keto? I've always wondered where all the calories are. You look at mic ultra and there is only 2 grams carbs.

[xR1pp3Rx]

alcohol act just like sugar in the body. the only time it would be acceptable would be during a carb up.. and that may even hold its own benifit of faster clearance rates than even tje very fastest acting carbs... so you could possibly use alcohol to return to ketosis faster during the last few hrs of your carb up.


enterestingly enough. each g of alcohol costs you 7 calories. the same as a fractured fat cell (ketone)

[rochabp]

alcohol act just like sugar in the body. the only time it would be acceptable would be during a carb up.. and that may even hold its own benifit of faster clearance rates than even tje very fastest acting carbs... so you could possibly use alcohol to return to ketosis faster during the last few hrs of your carb up.


enterestingly enough. each g of alcohol costs you 7 calories. the same as a fractured fat cell (ketone)

And alcohol is processed in the liver and it uses the same enzymes used to produce testosterone. So instead of being able to make testosterone your body will use those enzymes to break down the alcohol instead

[Danimozz]

Thread jacked me

[EasyEJL]

alcohol act just like sugar in the body. the only time it would be acceptable would be during a carb up.. and that may even hold its own benifit of faster clearance rates than even tje very fastest acting carbs... so you could possibly use alcohol to return to ketosis faster during the last few hrs of your carb up.

enterestingly enough. each g of alcohol costs you 7 calories. the same as a fractured fat cell (ketone)

Wrong. Alcohol deepens ketosis. Its one of the warnings they use with epilepsy patients and people who go into ketosis from diabetes related issues. That's taking strictly alcohol though, of course a rum and coke still has the coke to contend with, and beer or wine have plenty of carbs outside the alcohol content. You're right on the 7 calories part though

[rochabp]

Wrong. Alcohol deepens ketosis. Its one of the warnings they use with epilepsy patients and people who go into ketosis from diabetes related issues. That's taking strictly alcohol though, of course a rum and coke still has the coke to contend with, and beer or wine have plenty of carbs outside the alcohol content. You're right on the 7 calories part though

Good info bro

[EasyEJL]

when the body is already in ketosis, the alcohol is converted into acetones which is more or less the same structure as keytones. so although it would get burned for fuel first before fats, the body wouldn't ever leave ketosis if you did for instance bacardi 151 and coke zero/diet coke

[xR1pp3Rx]

after reading your post i agree 100%.. i think i was more or less trying to explain that its like an empty calorie. the fact that it deepens ketosis is the same thing i was saying about hastening a drop into ketosis.. after that though the calories would be better served from a healthy dietary fat.. as it is, your calories are severly limited to begin with. obviously as you mentioned you could deffinatly drink a ****tail like u depicted and stay in ketosis but
u wouldnt nessisarrily be helping your diet aside from keeping ur sanity. anyhow. the fact is you are correct it would be burned before ketones but like a sugar it wouldnt help you maintain muscle or enhance insulin sensitivity, wich imo is the goal of these diets.

excellent info tho repped.

[mcdiddy4]

I carbed up all day Saturday and Sunday and the ketosticks went negative. Its interesting that i could eat so many carbs and not feel bloated. Monday I drank several beers and some wine at a pool party (no other carb sources). This morning the ketosticks were still negative but after my workout this evening I'm back in ketosis! (18 hours from my last drink) My energy and strength were also abnormally high during my workout today. I think I will be doing a Tkd with ckd refeeds going forward. The muscles are definitely feel a bit more full.

[xR1pp3Rx]

the strength is generally from the anabolic environment you have created by supercompensation.. the bodies ability to over compensate for the rebound from starvation, is quite amazing. when u do it perfect its uncanny how strong you can feel. in the one yr. period i have been following body opus i have set at least a half dozen PRs while being calorie restricted. i will admit tho.. its easy to feel like a zombie when u cut your calories too low on this diet.