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Metabolic Augmenting Nutrition
We've got 30+ feet of digestive length in our bodies and you're supposed to believe that +/- 1 hour will make a significant difference in anything? Please....
The only reason I eat every 3-4 hours is when I'm trying to cram in 5,000-6,000 calories per day.
Go hard. Go heavy. Never stop.
O Boy I Love to eat!
I can eat 24/7 I swear I can. But only small meals. Big meals are killing me. For me 5meals are the best for now.
But 25years ago when I played city soccer league I was on 2meals full of energy and shredded as a hell :-)
Diet is a big puzzle and everyone is playing with different pieces on a different board.
Eating big meals is just uncomfortable for me, like trying to cram down 1500kcals over 3 meals is like a battle. So I spread it out. Whacked said it all anyway
I was doing 24 hour fasts for 4 months (once a week) just for the benifits of fasting. I noticed the feeling i got towards the end of the fast and during the opening of the feeding window and loved it so i switched to Lean Gains.
I like Lean Gains because i am able to eat a real meal (portion wise) and my strength has actually gone up while losing weight.
I also never feel bloated, ever in IF.
Lastly, its nice to give your body some time off from digestion.
find what works for you and dont be afraid to try different approaches.
Meal timing really doesn't matter.
But changing the frequency of when you eat has to happen depending on what your trying to do at that time.
For instance I will eat maybe 6 times a day when I'm trying to ******** just because I don't want to feel full when it comes to my next meal if I were to adhere to a 3 meals a day plan.
Whereas when I'm cutting (i.e right now) on lower kcal than normal(2400) having 2-3 meals a day is what I go for as it keeps me better satiated.
Whatever you prefer is what you should do.There is no evidence for people in normal everyday jobs who weight train that eating 6 times a day is better than 3 times a day.
In fact Layne Norton a natural professional bodybuilder has done some amino acid research and has proven that the human body is more sensitive to amino acids when meals are spaced 4-5 hours apart.
Here's the study on amino acidshttp://www.biolayne.com/wp-content/u...rton-20121.pdf
and here's the one on protein synthesis http://extremehumanperformance.com/b...-layne-norton/
Just a quick question.... So if meal timing is irrelevant would it be detrimental to train fasted around 6-7 am ( fasted without bcaa ) and then get all my macros around 11am - 7 pm? Pretty much all I'm asking is anyone going almost 5 hours post workout without eating and seeing results.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
Being brainwashed from bodybuilding.com/ (Jim Stoppani and others that will go unknown) does not help my reliability or my credentials here. But I would like to say that the Whacked user obviously makes the most rational approach. However, out of curiosity, after reading leangains and a ton of other people who also believe in the "intermittent fasting" theory, I decided to find out for myself, not on internet boards, about what actual nutritionists believe about these theories.
They all say the exact same thing = eating MORE frequently (this does not mean EVERY 3 hours or 6-8 meals a day) than three meals a day in smaller (relatively) with a good source of protein has a STRONG POSSIBILITY OF positively affecting insulin resistance, basal metabolic rate (BML), lipolysis (varied in the responses), muscle growth (keeping the body in an anabolic state by reducing cortisol and NOT REMOVING IT).
Another person (a bodybuilder with ridiculous genetic gifts and a surprisingly high IQ) says that you SHOULD EAT AT LEAST 4 MEALS a day with a good source of protein.
A good source of protein, scientifically, according to the Graduate Center for Gerontology, University of Kentucky The Division of Rehabilitation Sciences
is 30 grams of protein.
Go to Pubmed, search for "A moderate serving of high-quality protein maximally stimulates skeletal muscle protein synthesis in young and elderly subjects" (title search)
This source also says that any more than 30 grams of protein in one meal will not affect augmentation or hypertrophy of muscles any more than 30 will at ONE TIME, in fact, other studies say that excess protein (in this case the grams > 30) will be removed through waste and unavailable for usage from the body.
This, sort of, disbands the "Intermittent fasting theory" because since these theories are based off of getting the right macros in, and if you can only utilize 30 grams of protein at one time (or in one meal), those people who use the "one meal theory" or the "4 hour window" will not be getting sufficient amounts of utilizable protein to sustain proper muscle growth, fat loss, or even the recommended macros defined by the FDA and ADA (Which are the most basic of requirements in the history of everything).
AND this amount of protein needed for each meal DOES NOT CHANGE WITH AGING, as proven by Division of Rehabilitation Sciences, The University of Texas Medical Branch, Galveston, TX. Anybody, any age, can maximally promote protein synthesis with a meal of 30 grams of protein. Any more is useless.
Go to pubmed, search for "Aging does not impair the anabolic response to a protein-rich meal." (title search)
I never believed the 30 grams of protein thing. It just does not make sense to me that humans would evolve that way. Ancient man would only really eat protein when he hunted and killed an animal lol. He would then gorge himself and not eat protein again until another kill was made. Almost every predatory animal eats this way as well.
Also, look at the people who have had success on IF diets. Some eat 100 grams in one meal. Doesn't seem like this 30 gram rule is hampering them.
Yeah that 30 grams of protein per meal thing is total BS. I don't care who said it. Science doesn't make me question anything. I don't base what I do on what some pencil neck geek in a lab tells me. I base what I do on what works for me and only I can figure that out for myself. If a way of eating or working out is working for me and "science" says its not suppose to work, well then screw science!.
Sure I read a lot of training books and diet books based around science, but that's just the beginning. A lot of things based on science are just theory...
If you based how you workout and how you eat on science and studies you would change your diet and exercise routine daily.
This is an interesting point bc the old schools of thought say that you need to eat every 2 to 3 hours and new evidence is showing that you don't need to eat nearly that often. IMO it doesn't matter that much either way...if you hit your macro totals for the day and try to get your protein from whole protein sources eat slow digesting carbs and get your fat from good sources like nuts then your going to get great results weather it is spaced out over 2 meals or 7. For me I feel like I have to eat 6 meals a day bc I just can't fit one third of the total amount of food I need in a day during one sitting plus I feel that eating more often helps me stay on track with my diet. But hey...I could be wrong as hell try the various methods and see what works for you
I want to first state, I am going to give this IF thing a shot & I know people who are having great results with it.
Anyone mention that NO professional bodybuilders are doing this (at least to my knowledge).They've been doing it for over 50yrs with better results than most anyone here Eating every few hours works! The IF is just more convenient for the recreational weight lifter/bodybuilder.
If I remember correctly a lot of faster studies are due with regular people, my calorie/nutrient requirements and timing are a hell of a lot different than my fat or skinny friend who just goes to work, takes kids to soccer & goes fishing every once in a while.
As others have mentioned before, each person is different. I def wouldn't write off eating every 2-3 hours, it obviously works & works great. If you argue that, you're an idiot. However, Is it necessary for the masses? Possibly not.
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I agree 100%Originally Posted by boogyman
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I think the body I'm some way shape or form uses everything u put in it in one way shape or form.Originally Posted by boogyman