You know what? F#ck carbs!
- 05-04-2012, 07:31 PM
You know what? F#ck carbs!
Half rant, half relief
today I made a decision, the kind of decision you never
look back and question: I am *done* with carbs!
I'm done with carbs, refeeds, carb-up, carb cycling, or whatever
other protocol you can think about that involves eating carbs.
I've tried everything, you name it, I tried it.
I'm a low carber, I've never forced myself into it, I just
don't like carbs, and my body always hated them, so my carb
intake for the past 5 years has been 30gr of whole wheat bread.
That didn't stop me from getting my body where I wanted,
of course being natural is not like I'm huge or anything,
I've never been after that anyway, but still, my major lifts
are all more than twice my weight and I'm talking at least 6 to 10 reps,
not 1RM. My training volume is ridiculous and I train 6 days a week.
So obviously, my body can work without carbs no problem.
This last year in order to keep my BF as is I ended up lowering
calories too much because of my metabolism was slowing down,
so I started to look into carb-ups, refeed, etc..
Note that I've never done any of that before.
Knowing that my body hates carbs, I started once a week
with a small amount of what everyone calls "clean carbs", slow digesting, low GI ones,
disastrous results, stomach ache, headache, felt bloated etc.. and most important
I wasn't able to eat nothing more than like 80/100gr before feeling like hell.
I tried ANY kind of low GI carb, you name it, I tried it.
And not only that, I tried ONE KIND AT THE TIME, pretty boring, but I did it.
It was the only way to spot what worked and whatnot.
None of them worked.
I gave up, started to research and found out I wasn't the only one having problems
with the "clean carbs". So after finding out the whole low GI thing, the carb source
didn't matter, especially for my kind of protocol, especially for refeed purposes
and most important it didn't matter for body composition, I started with simple carbs.
That was *much* better, for something like 10 weeks I was able to down
a decent amount of carbs for my refeed, well for me at least, up to 500gr
with kids cereals.
Not any kind tho', specifically only two kinds, rice krispies and cheerios (not that
brand, a "knock off" that tastes better and has near-zero fats), again I found out
after long a## experiments with one kind at the time.
I was feeling Mcdonald's protocol for amount of carbs and timing
and those 10 weeks went well, i added size, strength while my BF was the same.
But still, something was off, at the end of the day I was still feeling bloated
and the next day I was groggy and experienced no energy increase (actually most of the time
I was feeling slow and slightly weaker)
and after 10 weeks I kinda got tired of eating only kids cereals even if it was once a week.
Started to research again and began to follow the skipload protocol, present time.
This is interesting because results came right away, more size, fuller muscles and look
and BF the same if not even lower.
BUT!! My body reminded me that it hates carbs every carb-up, every week...
In my refeed day I started to have *really* hard time downing carbs again,
I started to feel worse every week.. Not only bloated and groggy and weaker then next day,
but I started to get ridiculously painful stomach cramps.
Now keep this in mind: I'm a thought mofo, I can handle a great deal of pain,
I will break, but I don't bend. I went thru a broken vertebrae without painkillers,
thru a whole variety of injuries, accidents, broken bones, stitches, blade cuts, bad fights,
you name it, no problems.
But those cramps? Oh boy... they were/are so painful to make me pass out. Literally.
That happened badly last week, I got very very pissed not only because of the pain
but because it messed up with my work, that day I had to get a lot of very important sh#t done,
and doing it with that kinda pain going on it wasn't easy not fun. Not one bit.
The next day? Still cramps, still feeling bad, and all the usual symptoms,
but the worse thing is, this time it messed up with my back workout.
Oh hell no! You don't mess with my wo. I don't care how bad I feel, if I'm ill,
broken, tired, bleeding to freakin' death I will NOT skip my workout, nor I will "take it easy"
But last week my back workout was probably one of the worse of my life.
I was on the verge of giving up..
But I wanted to give carbs the last chance, so yesterday I went back
to my cereals, just 50gr of them post wo and no simple carbs, no hot spices,
no coffee, no anything that could have possibly upset my stomach (altho' i eat those
things every day with no prob): so, 50gr of cereals and the rest of the day,
was rice. Plain, steamed rice with some saffron and sweet paprika in a ridiculously small amount
and 1/2 teaspoon of soy sauce for 400gr of rice.
Results, I had to stop eating half way the day because I sensed the same kinda feeling
coming back, no way...
Even tho' I stopped I still got cramps, fortunately not that bad, well, that bad yes,
but not the WHOLE day, morning, yes, first half of the afternoon and then they started to
fade... When I started my workout tho' I wasn't feeling good by any means and despite
I powered thru it, let's say it, it was def not great.
What pisses me off the most? I did that to myself. And that's why I made the decision
and not looking back, I tossed ALL the freakin' carbs I had home.
I could have avoided all the pain and problems just keep NOT eating carbs,
NOT trying to make my body work with what it ain't suppose to work.
It has absolutely no problems working on protein and fats, actually it works pretty good!
And I love protein, gimme chicken, egg whites, turkey, greek yogurt every damn day
and I'm fine! Add nuts and avocados and I'm in heaven.
So, yeah, my rant is over, but is not only just a rant, my experience could be useful
to some. We are all different, we all react and work differently.
I myself like to try things myself before believing something is working (or not)
and gods know I'm OCD enough to consider all the variables and try all the variation
I can possibly think about (and as my lil knowledge allows me to).
Once and for all, AK says "f#ck carbs!", for good. My 30gr of whole wheat bread
are gonna be all I'll ever get. My refeed? Is gonna be a protein boost, maybe a fat boost,
I don't know, but def not carbs.
- 05-04-2012, 08:11 PM
You must have some kind of medical problem causing this because you seem to have a very sensitive stomache. I wish I had your problem, because then maybee I'd have your 6 pack to go with it.
- 05-04-2012, 08:19 PM
05-04-2012, 08:25 PM
could be your digestive track just lost the ability to digest them properly so the bloat is the stress the intestines are getting from the "different" food source. Not to say that you need some adjustment period or anything. Just your body has evolved a bit to accommodate your situation. And will function like that. It might not be "optimal" but who the hell knows what optimal is? I find the only carb I can eat w/o getting bloated is sweet potatoes. BUT if I eat too many of them I get mucus... go figure. But I try to keep them in my diet so that my body at least remembers how to utilize them. I'm not saying that over the course of a lifetime, hell usually not even in a couple generations do we see adaptations, but your body was probably so stressed for change it did. Just cause you're awesome my friend. Good luck. And I'm interested to hear about your low carb life and training.
05-04-2012, 08:28 PM
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05-04-2012, 08:58 PM
I used to avoid most foods that generally give you gas. Anything spicey was out and I would eat mostly bland foods. Also I was on medication called Dicyclomine. It slows down the stomach and stops the cramps. When I switched to eating low carbs though I didn't really have any symptoms anymore. I only get mild symptoms on my carb ups and taking psysillum husk prevents any problems. I've been taking psysillum husk for at least 2 years now straight.
05-04-2012, 09:00 PM
05-04-2012, 09:02 PM
I like carbs though so I deal with the gas and bloat. It isn't really that bad for me. I do get really bloated though and gain at the least 15 pounds just on my carb up days alone. My face even swells up.
05-04-2012, 09:08 PM
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05-04-2012, 09:36 PM
05-04-2012, 09:37 PM
05-04-2012, 09:38 PM
You know I tried hard lol I'm just done now, seriously.
I mean what's the point? I work perfectly without them, at least if I LIKED them
I could still try things you know? but I don't even like the stuff..
And when happened that my job and my workout got f#cked up because I ate carbs, well
that was the last drop.
I'm 34, I'm a natty bb, I'm not after packing 50lbs of muscles, and as you said
most likely my body adapted, or I will it to lol, either way, I was perfectly fine
before trying to find a way to "carb-up" that worked for, well now I found it, I won't.. easy.
I might pick this one up regardless, cause as someone said my stomach tend to be
sensitive from time to time, this might help
05-04-2012, 09:41 PM
05-04-2012, 09:43 PM
If you do get it, start off slowly with only 1 Tablespoon for the first few days. Also use at least 32 oz or more of water with it. Your gonna want to mix it with something flavored too. Drink it all at once also, don't let it sit or it will turn into a nasty gel like substance.
05-04-2012, 09:57 PM
Absolutely yes, last time that the problem happened to me symptoms where very bad,
like the pain was unbearable, which is the only time in which I agree to get tested, and so I did.
Went to the hospital (I happen to have a surgeon in the family who works in there so, nice treatment)
and run gastroscopy, echography, checke kidney, colon, pancreas, stomach tract, bloods.. you name it.
Gastroscopy was the first one as everybody was thinking about ulcer or gastritis, everyone was pretty
surprised when it turned out my stomach was *pefect*, not a trace of anything, not even a slight inflammation
somewhere.. from there, all the other exams turned out negative, meaning, they had no explanation for
my symptoms, which went away on their own.. At that time, *any* kind of food was causing me the cramps.
It did last a week or so.
BTW, i'm reading about IBS right now, and it sounds *a lot* like what I have,
including (after all my exams) the fact that seems hard to understand the cause..
05-04-2012, 10:03 PM
Hey AutoKal I'm the one who steered this thread into you getting yourself checked by an MD for IBS, but you don't reply too my posts so, F#CK OFF...LOL
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05-04-2012, 10:12 PM
05-04-2012, 10:14 PM
05-04-2012, 10:31 PM
05-05-2012, 05:07 AM
Honestly I didn't know about IBS up until now, surely the docs should have thought about it
when I got checked tho'..
things.. It has been so random that IBS could explain at least a big part of it if not everything.
Carbs have always been a problem, but when I had it really bad last time (when I got checked) *any* kind of food
was causing it.
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05-13-2012, 08:32 AM
actually yes, I've been sitting with 3 docs at the hospital this week,
2 times, the first time they mostly had no idea, took a coupla days to analyze the whole
thing and they came out with the theory that simply my body stopped producing the enzyme(s)
needed to digest carbs.
Since enzymes are expensive to produce for the body and it would make sense it stopped
producing sucrase for example, if is not needed.
I personally think is possible seeing how long I've been in a very low carb diet,
also another thing that I think it fits regards the symptoms.
In particular they said the problem is in the stomach digestion: assuming the pH of my stomach
became very acid this would cause the destruction of the enzyme responsible for carb digestion (they explained
much better than I'm doing..)
But anyway, the part that fits my symptoms comes: if that's the case, the offending food will cause discomfort
and such until it leaves the stomach to go into the small intestine, which sounds a lot like what's happening
when i eat carbs.
The cure would be to try to restore those enzymes, and at the same time to start to slowly reintroduce carbs
in the diet (which it ain't happening).
05-13-2012, 09:51 AM
Sorry to hear that bro. But then again, you now know you shouldn't be eating um.Originally Posted by AutoKal47
05-13-2012, 09:56 AM
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