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    You know what? F#ck carbs!


    Half rant, half relief
    today I made a decision, the kind of decision you never
    look back and question: I am *done* with carbs!


    I'm done with carbs, refeeds, carb-up, carb cycling, or whatever
    other protocol you can think about that involves eating carbs.


    I've tried everything, you name it, I tried it.
    I'm a low carber, I've never forced myself into it, I just
    don't like carbs, and my body always hated them, so my carb
    intake for the past 5 years has been 30gr of whole wheat bread.


    That didn't stop me from getting my body where I wanted,
    of course being natural is not like I'm huge or anything,
    I've never been after that anyway, but still, my major lifts
    are all more than twice my weight and I'm talking at least 6 to 10 reps,
    not 1RM. My training volume is ridiculous and I train 6 days a week.


    So obviously, my body can work without carbs no problem.
    This last year in order to keep my BF as is I ended up lowering
    calories too much because of my metabolism was slowing down,
    so I started to look into carb-ups, refeed, etc..
    Note that I've never done any of that before.


    Knowing that my body hates carbs, I started once a week
    with a small amount of what everyone calls "clean carbs", slow digesting, low GI ones,
    disastrous results, stomach ache, headache, felt bloated etc.. and most important
    I wasn't able to eat nothing more than like 80/100gr before feeling like hell.

    I tried ANY kind of low GI carb, you name it, I tried it.
    And not only that, I tried ONE KIND AT THE TIME, pretty boring, but I did it.
    It was the only way to spot what worked and whatnot.
    None of them worked.

    I gave up, started to research and found out I wasn't the only one having problems
    with the "clean carbs". So after finding out the whole low GI thing, the carb source
    didn't matter, especially for my kind of protocol, especially for refeed purposes
    and most important it didn't matter for body composition, I started with simple carbs.

    That was *much* better, for something like 10 weeks I was able to down
    a decent amount of carbs for my refeed, well for me at least, up to 500gr
    with kids cereals.
    Not any kind tho', specifically only two kinds, rice krispies and cheerios (not that
    brand, a "knock off" that tastes better and has near-zero fats), again I found out
    after long a## experiments with one kind at the time.

    I was feeling Mcdonald's protocol for amount of carbs and timing
    and those 10 weeks went well, i added size, strength while my BF was the same.
    But still, something was off, at the end of the day I was still feeling bloated
    and the next day I was groggy and experienced no energy increase (actually most of the time
    I was feeling slow and slightly weaker)
    and after 10 weeks I kinda got tired of eating only kids cereals even if it was once a week.
    Started to research again and began to follow the skipload protocol, present time.
    This is interesting because results came right away, more size, fuller muscles and look
    and BF the same if not even lower.

    BUT!! My body reminded me that it hates carbs every carb-up, every week...
    In my refeed day I started to have *really* hard time downing carbs again,
    I started to feel worse every week.. Not only bloated and groggy and weaker then next day,
    but I started to get ridiculously painful stomach cramps.
    Now keep this in mind: I'm a thought mofo, I can handle a great deal of pain,
    I will break, but I don't bend. I went thru a broken vertebrae without painkillers,
    thru a whole variety of injuries, accidents, broken bones, stitches, blade cuts, bad fights,
    you name it, no problems.

    But those cramps? Oh boy... they were/are so painful to make me pass out. Literally.

    That happened badly last week, I got very very pissed not only because of the pain
    but because it messed up with my work, that day I had to get a lot of very important sh#t done,
    and doing it with that kinda pain going on it wasn't easy not fun. Not one bit.

    The next day? Still cramps, still feeling bad, and all the usual symptoms,
    but the worse thing is, this time it messed up with my back workout.
    Oh hell no! You don't mess with my wo. I don't care how bad I feel, if I'm ill,
    broken, tired, bleeding to freakin' death I will NOT skip my workout, nor I will "take it easy"
    But last week my back workout was probably one of the worse of my life.
    I was on the verge of giving up..

    But I wanted to give carbs the last chance, so yesterday I went back
    to my cereals, just 50gr of them post wo and no simple carbs, no hot spices,
    no coffee, no anything that could have possibly upset my stomach (altho' i eat those
    things every day with no prob): so, 50gr of cereals and the rest of the day,
    was rice. Plain, steamed rice with some saffron and sweet paprika in a ridiculously small amount
    and 1/2 teaspoon of soy sauce for 400gr of rice.

    Results, I had to stop eating half way the day because I sensed the same kinda feeling
    coming back, no way...
    Even tho' I stopped I still got cramps, fortunately not that bad, well, that bad yes,
    but not the WHOLE day, morning, yes, first half of the afternoon and then they started to
    fade... When I started my workout tho' I wasn't feeling good by any means and despite
    I powered thru it, let's say it, it was def not great.

    What pisses me off the most? I did that to myself. And that's why I made the decision
    and not looking back, I tossed ALL the freakin' carbs I had home.
    I could have avoided all the pain and problems just keep NOT eating carbs,
    NOT trying to make my body work with what it ain't suppose to work.
    It has absolutely no problems working on protein and fats, actually it works pretty good!
    And I love protein, gimme chicken, egg whites, turkey, greek yogurt every damn day
    and I'm fine! Add nuts and avocados and I'm in heaven.

    So, yeah, my rant is over, but is not only just a rant, my experience could be useful
    to some. We are all different, we all react and work differently.
    I myself like to try things myself before believing something is working (or not)
    and gods know I'm OCD enough to consider all the variables and try all the variation
    I can possibly think about (and as my lil knowledge allows me to).

    Once and for all, AK says "f#ck carbs!", for good. My 30gr of whole wheat bread
    are gonna be all I'll ever get. My refeed? Is gonna be a protein boost, maybe a fat boost,
    I don't know, but def not carbs.
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    You must have some kind of medical problem causing this because you seem to have a very sensitive stomache. I wish I had your problem, because then maybee I'd have your 6 pack to go with it.
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    So I say F#ck carbs for a different reason.......My body Likes them too much
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    could be your digestive track just lost the ability to digest them properly so the bloat is the stress the intestines are getting from the "different" food source. Not to say that you need some adjustment period or anything. Just your body has evolved a bit to accommodate your situation. And will function like that. It might not be "optimal" but who the hell knows what optimal is? I find the only carb I can eat w/o getting bloated is sweet potatoes. BUT if I eat too many of them I get mucus... go figure. But I try to keep them in my diet so that my body at least remembers how to utilize them. I'm not saying that over the course of a lifetime, hell usually not even in a couple generations do we see adaptations, but your body was probably so stressed for change it did. Just cause you're awesome my friend. Good luck. And I'm interested to hear about your low carb life and training.
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    AutoKal I have problems being bloated from carbs on my carb ups also. You know what has helped me out a lot?. Whole Psyllium husks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    AutoKal I have problems being bloated from carbs on my carb ups also. You know what has helped me out a lot?. Whole Psyllium husks.
    Digestive Enzymes are supposed to help, I've heard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vidapreta View Post
    Digestive Enzymes are supposed to help, I've heard.

    I have IBS. Digestive enzymes don't do a thing. They're a joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    I have IBS. Digestive enzymes don't do a thing.
    With IBS What foods are off limit to you??
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    Quote Originally Posted by vidapreta View Post
    With IBS What foods are off limit to you??

    I don't want to take away the focus of this thread. This thread was about AutoKal and how he hates carbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    I don't want to take away the focus of this thread. This thread was about AutoKal and how he hates carbs.
    Yeah but maybe he has IBS and that could be his problem.
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    I mean do carbs bother you as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by vidapreta View Post
    With IBS What foods are off limit to you??

    I used to avoid most foods that generally give you gas. Anything spicey was out and I would eat mostly bland foods. Also I was on medication called Dicyclomine. It slows down the stomach and stops the cramps. When I switched to eating low carbs though I didn't really have any symptoms anymore. I only get mild symptoms on my carb ups and taking psysillum husk prevents any problems. I've been taking psysillum husk for at least 2 years now straight.
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    AutoKal have you ever had this checked out by an MD??
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    I like carbs though so I deal with the gas and bloat. It isn't really that bad for me. I do get really bloated though and gain at the least 15 pounds just on my carb up days alone. My face even swells up.
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    Have you been checked for celiac?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    Have you been checked for celiac?
    In my minimal research online you can test negative for celiac but still react negatively to gluten. But if it does come back positive at least there is something he can legitimately say he shouldn't be eating and is causing bloat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    In my minimal research online you can test negative for celiac but still react negatively to gluten. But if it does come back positive at least there is something he can legitimately say he shouldn't be eating and is causing bloat.
    He needs to do an intestinal biopsy for true diagnosis of celiac. Also, someone can have gluten intolerance and not have celiac but have similar side effects. He should get an endonoscopy to check for inflammation at least.
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    He needs to reply to these posts..LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    He needs to do an intestinal biopsy for true diagnosis of celiac. Also, someone can have gluten intolerance and not have celiac but have similar side effects. He should get an endonoscopy to check for inflammation at least.
    Yea, I agree. IF possible AK, see what the doc says about it. I hear in the UK etc. celiac is bigger (Meaning more people know about it). If you can get that biopsy to get for the genes that make you celiac then you'll know for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    Yea, I agree. IF possible AK, see what the doc says about it. I hear in the UK etc. celiac is bigger (Meaning more people know about it). If you can get that biopsy to get for the genes that make you celiac then you'll know for sure.

    I think he is from Italy. Not even sure he is watching this thread though...lol!
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    I think he is from Italy. Not even sure he is watching this thread though...lol!
    Ah, I just remember him telling me he orders from UK sites. He is probably training now or something lol.
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    He posted this 2 hours ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    could be your digestive track just lost the ability to digest them properly so the bloat is the stress the intestines are getting from the "different" food source. Not to say that you need some adjustment period or anything. Just your body has evolved a bit to accommodate your situation. And will function like that. It might not be "optimal" but who the hell knows what optimal is? I find the only carb I can eat w/o getting bloated is sweet potatoes. BUT if I eat too many of them I get mucus... go figure. But I try to keep them in my diet so that my body at least remembers how to utilize them. I'm not saying that over the course of a lifetime, hell usually not even in a couple generations do we see adaptations, but your body was probably so stressed for change it did. Just cause you're awesome my friend. Good luck. And I'm interested to hear about your low carb life and training.
    Thank you brother
    You know I tried hard lol I'm just done now, seriously.
    I mean what's the point? I work perfectly without them, at least if I LIKED them
    I could still try things you know? but I don't even like the stuff..
    And when happened that my job and my workout got f#cked up because I ate carbs, well
    that was the last drop.
    I'm 34, I'm a natty bb, I'm not after packing 50lbs of muscles, and as you said
    most likely my body adapted, or I will it to lol, either way, I was perfectly fine
    before trying to find a way to "carb-up" that worked for, well now I found it, I won't.. easy.

    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    AutoKal I have problems being bloated from carbs on my carb ups also. You know what has helped me out a lot?. Whole Psyllium husks.
    Thanks for the input man, you know, despite I won't try to carb up again
    I might pick this one up regardless, cause as someone said my stomach tend to be
    sensitive from time to time, this might help
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    So you've never had this checked out by a doctor??

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    If you do get it, start off slowly with only 1 Tablespoon for the first few days. Also use at least 32 oz or more of water with it. Your gonna want to mix it with something flavored too. Drink it all at once also, don't let it sit or it will turn into a nasty gel like substance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdavid View Post
    Have you been checked for celiac?
    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    Yea, I agree. IF possible AK, see what the doc says about it. I hear in the UK etc. celiac is bigger (Meaning more people know about it). If you can get that biopsy to get for the genes that make you celiac then you'll know for sure.
    Sorry guys I had lost some posts.

    Absolutely yes, last time that the problem happened to me symptoms where very bad,
    like the pain was unbearable, which is the only time in which I agree to get tested, and so I did.
    Went to the hospital (I happen to have a surgeon in the family who works in there so, nice treatment)
    and run gastroscopy, echography, checke kidney, colon, pancreas, stomach tract, bloods.. you name it.
    Gastroscopy was the first one as everybody was thinking about ulcer or gastritis, everyone was pretty
    surprised when it turned out my stomach was *pefect*, not a trace of anything, not even a slight inflammation
    somewhere.. from there, all the other exams turned out negative, meaning, they had no explanation for
    my symptoms, which went away on their own.. At that time, *any* kind of food was causing me the cramps.
    It did last a week or so.

    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    If you do get it, start off slowly with only 1 Tablespoon for the first few days. Also use at least 32 oz or more of water with it. Your gonna want to mix it with something flavored too. Drink it all at once also, don't let it sit or it will turn into a nasty gel like substance.
    Thanks again, I will follow the advice.
    BTW, i'm reading about IBS right now, and it sounds *a lot* like what I have,
    including (after all my exams) the fact that seems hard to understand the cause..
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    Hey AutoKal I'm the one who steered this thread into you getting yourself checked by an MD for IBS, but you don't reply too my posts so, F#CK OFF...LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47 View Post
    Sorry guys I had lost some posts.

    Absolutely yes, last time that the problem happened to me symptoms where very bad,
    like the pain was unbearable, which is the only time in which I agree to get tested, and so I did.
    Went to the hospital (I happen to have a surgeon in the family who works in there so, nice treatment)
    and run gastroscopy, echography, checke kidney, colon, pancreas, stomach tract, bloods.. you name it.
    Gastroscopy was the first one as everybody was thinking about ulcer or gastritis, everyone was pretty
    surprised when it turned out my stomach was *pefect*, not a trace of anything, not even a slight inflammation
    somewhere.. from there, all the other exams turned out negative, meaning, they had no explanation for
    my symptoms, which went away on their own.. At that time, *any* kind of food was causing me the cramps.
    It did last a week or so.



    Thanks again, I will follow the advice.
    BTW, i'm reading about IBS right now, and it sounds *a lot* like what I have,
    including (after all my exams) the fact that seems hard to understand the cause..

    It is Irritable Bowel Syndrome. Just to be sure, because IBS can stand for a lot of other things too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    It is Irritable Bowel Syndrome. Just to be sure, because IBS can stand for a lot of other things too.
    Most times in the US it is referred to as IBS though. And one more thing, those symptoms are not only from IBS. If you are experiencing those you might wanna look into other illnesses. Gut health and gut integrity are very important!
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    Quote Originally Posted by vidapreta View Post
    Hey AutoKal I'm the one who steered this thread into you getting yourself checked by an MD for IBS, but you don't reply too my posts so, F#CK OFF...LOL

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    lol man, I thought I quote/replied to you in my previous sorry
    Honestly I didn't know about IBS up until now, surely the docs should have thought about it
    when I got checked tho'..

    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    It is Irritable Bowel Syndrome. Just to be sure, because IBS can stand for a lot of other things too.
    Yes, that's what I was reading about

    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    Most times in the US it is referred to as IBS though. And one more thing, those symptoms are not only from IBS. If you are experiencing those you might wanna look into other illnesses. Gut health and gut integrity are very important!
    But that's the closest thing I can think about, they excluded ulcer, gastritis, colitis, food poisoning and intolerance, and a bunch of other
    things.. It has been so random that IBS could explain at least a big part of it if not everything.
    Carbs have always been a problem, but when I had it really bad last time (when I got checked) *any* kind of food
    was causing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47 View Post
    lol man, I thought I quote/replied to you in my previous sorry
    Honestly I didn't know about IBS up until now, surely the docs should have thought about it
    when I got checked tho'..



    Yes, that's what I was reading about



    But that's the closest thing I can think about, they excluded ulcer, gastritis, colitis, food poisoning and intolerance, and a bunch of other
    things.. It has been so random that IBS could explain at least a big part of it if not everything.
    Carbs have always been a problem, but when I had it really bad last time (when I got checked) *any* kind of food
    was causing it.
    In America it is speculated that most american's suffer from it lol....
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    In America it is speculated that most american's suffer from it lol....
    Yep, plus if stress is a possible cause and/or it can make it worse, well, I'm in all the way..
    Beside my training habits which would probably be enough already, my job is also very stressful
    at the moment
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattrag View Post
    In America it is speculated that most american's suffer from it lol....
    Not really. You have to be diagnosed with it. I was diagnosed with it about 16 years ago when it wasn't as common. I was only around 23 years old back then. I had an endoscopy, colonoscopy and a ton of other tests before I was finally diagnosed with it. In other countries the doctors may not have even considered it. So I would bet that AutoKal might indeed have it. I'm not if there are easier tests today to figure out if you have it or not. All the other tests I had were to rule out other problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Not really. You have to be diagnosed with it. I was diagnosed with it about 16 years ago when it wasn't as common. I was only around 23 years old back then. I had an endoscopy, colonoscopy and a ton of other tests before I was finally diagnosed with it. In other countries the doctors may not have even considered it. So I would bet that AutoKal might indeed have it. I'm not if there are easier tests today to figure out if you have it or not. All the other tests I had were to rule out other problems.
    my friend just went through the surgery to get his colon removed and then reversed to help him with his ulcerative colitis. It has been almost a year it is hard to say if it has helped though.
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    Any updates on this Autokal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Any updates on this Autokal?

    Hey man,

    actually yes, I've been sitting with 3 docs at the hospital this week,
    2 times, the first time they mostly had no idea, took a coupla days to analyze the whole
    thing and they came out with the theory that simply my body stopped producing the enzyme(s)
    needed to digest carbs.
    Since enzymes are expensive to produce for the body and it would make sense it stopped
    producing sucrase for example, if is not needed.

    I personally think is possible seeing how long I've been in a very low carb diet,
    also another thing that I think it fits regards the symptoms.
    In particular they said the problem is in the stomach digestion: assuming the pH of my stomach
    became very acid this would cause the destruction of the enzyme responsible for carb digestion (they explained
    much better than I'm doing..)
    But anyway, the part that fits my symptoms comes: if that's the case, the offending food will cause discomfort
    and such until it leaves the stomach to go into the small intestine, which sounds a lot like what's happening
    when i eat carbs.

    The cure would be to try to restore those enzymes, and at the same time to start to slowly reintroduce carbs
    in the diet (which it ain't happening).
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    Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47

    Hey man,

    actually yes, I've been sitting with 3 docs at the hospital this week,
    2 times, the first time they mostly had no idea, took a coupla days to analyze the whole
    thing and they came out with the theory that simply my body stopped producing the enzyme(s)
    needed to digest carbs.
    Since enzymes are expensive to produce for the body and it would make sense it stopped
    producing sucrase for example, if is not needed.

    I personally think is possible seeing how long I've been in a very low carb diet,
    also another thing that I think it fits regards the symptoms.
    In particular they said the problem is in the stomach digestion: assuming the pH of my stomach
    became very acid this would cause the destruction of the enzyme responsible for carb digestion (they explained
    much better than I'm doing..)
    But anyway, the part that fits my symptoms comes: if that's the case, the offending food will cause discomfort
    and such until it leaves the stomach to go into the small intestine, which sounds a lot like what's happening
    when i eat carbs.

    The cure would be to try to restore those enzymes, and at the same time to start to slowly reintroduce carbs
    in the diet (which it ain't happening).
    Sorry to hear that bro. But then again, you now know you shouldn't be eating um.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    I have IBS. Digestive enzymes don't do a thing. They're a joke.
    A good probiotic supplement will help w/IBS.
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