- 06-11-2012, 04:56 PM
- 06-11-2012, 07:43 PM
From what I've read Casein promotes the growth of cancer. Personally I don't consume it in supplement form for this reason. I will enjoy some raw cheese once in a while though.
- 06-11-2012, 07:48 PM
06-11-2012, 07:54 PM
I love the outdoors but I'm not going to go strip naked and bake myself in the sun for hours everyday.Originally Posted by Jim2542
06-11-2012, 08:02 PM
I also have to brig up cell phones. I'm not bashing our decision because i don't use casein either I just don't understand the reasoning. Do you ever talk on a cell phone?Originally Posted by skunkman
I've honestly come to the conclusion that everything causes cancer and there is no escaping it. But I almost feel like (prepare for the broscience) if it promotes the growth of cancer then it would make sense that ( and no I'm not implying that the human body makes sense) it promotes the growth of other cells also. So I can't imagine it promoting cancer growth more than anything else that I ingest. Inb4studies
06-11-2012, 08:06 PM
06-11-2012, 08:15 PM
06-11-2012, 08:24 PM
Obviously the study was done on rats that were also administered aflatoxins, but for me its enough reason to not go out of my way to make it a huge part of my diet considering the amount of environmental toxins the typical American is exposed to.
06-11-2012, 08:32 PM
In rats (as are most studies) so not necessarily relevant to humans. Based on high protein not necessarily the casein. Therefore it is concluded that protein promotes cancer growth. Do you avoid all proteins then?Originally Posted by skunkman
06-11-2012, 08:45 PM
To answer your question no I do not avoid all protein, but I do try and keep it at .8-.9 grams per pound.
06-11-2012, 08:58 PM
Well it said when lowering total protein intake from high protein to low protein.Originally Posted by skunkman
06-11-2012, 11:24 PM
You base your entire argument on that ONE study? One that isnt even conducted on humans in relation to a normal diet?
06-11-2012, 11:33 PM
Take from it what you want. As others have mentioned, we don't NEED a slow digesting protein to stave catabolism and it has the POTENTIAL to grow cancerous cells. By all means continue to use it. I personally will be buying free range meat instead of casein.
06-12-2012, 12:54 AM
06-12-2012, 01:44 AM
True. But many things have the potential to cause cancer. Burnt toast, processed ham etc. I think your blowing it out of proportion. I dont mind (obviously) if you choose not to use casein, each to their own. But there are far more cases for Casein and Whey than against
06-12-2012, 10:44 AM
Next, the natural diet of mice is considerable different than that of humans. The proportion of starch to fat to protein consumed by a mice is much higher than those consumed by humans. The typical lab rat is a herbavour, not omnivours such as humans. We see the same thing when feeding mice a high fat/low CHO diet, they quickly develop symptoms of metabolic syndrome. However, when fed a high fat low CHO diet to humans, symptoms of MX are often improved upon.
06-12-2012, 06:10 PM
06-12-2012, 06:44 PM
Do I think casein should be used as a dedicated, slow-digesting protein supplement? Hell no. Net anabolism/catabolism will determine body composition, not to mention that the bioavailability of casein is potentially lower than other protein products due to the wasteful agglutination known as paracasein that can inhibit digestion of the protein prior to entry in the colon. However, I am not going to avoid casein due to carcinogenic potential. If you're worried about cancers of the GI tract, curcumin + bioperine may be up your alley.
The above is my own opinion and does not reflect the opinion of PES
06-13-2012, 12:25 AM
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