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  1. Detoxification is real, and its not pointless. To understand why we need to detox u need to first understand a couple things. Ill try to make this as short as I can.

    First humans aren't design to be carnivores. When u rid ur body of excess waste that's been built up from years and years if the western diet.. high fat, high sodium, high diary, high simple refined carbs with natural methods u restart ur body persay. Allowing it to opporate as its designed. The pancreas is then not over worked and stressed and can do what is does when its not processing meats and diary through ur intestinal tract. It can fight disease! Or bodies are really an amazing thing. And food is also amazing. When u eat the right foods ur body will function properly.

    U have to ask urself why do people who we consider indigenous, who have been living the same way thousands of years with no "medical" of scientific advancments not get sick like we do?

    Ill leave u with one last thought. There was a study done in China, that was documented over 20 years maybe more ill have to look it up. It documents cancer mortality rates. The studies proved that the areas where a plant based diet had a significant and substantial lower cancer rate.

    So is a detox with natural fruits and vegetables necessary yes!


  2. Quote Originally Posted by hugry4more View Post
    Detoxification is real, and its not pointless. To understand why we need to detox u need to first understand a couple things. Ill try to make this as short as I can.

    First humans aren't design to be carnivores.
    yes we are

    Quote Originally Posted by hugry4more View Post
    There was a study done in China, that was documented over 20 years maybe more ill have to look it up. It documents cancer mortality rates. The studies proved that the areas where a plant based diet had a significant and substantial lower cancer rate.
    the china study proves absolutely nothing. If you care to search my post I have commented on it several times.

    Quote Originally Posted by hugry4more View Post
    So is a detox with natural fruits and vegetables necessary yes!
    No
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  3. Couldn't find any your post. but to say we are ment to eat meat, and to say the China study doesn't prove anything that just sounds not to be a dbag but single minded. When u combined the results from the China study with, the lab test showing that cancer growth increases with diary proteins and decreases with no diary and a plant based diet how can anything u say have a valid point. The facts all right I'm front on us. We just don't want it to be the truth.

    Not even mentioned the countless documented cures of disease just by switching to plant based diet organic diet.

    Medical science can't even cure the common cold. Yet people how are considered to just be "hippie" naturalist are curing cancer with food and the gerson therapy..

  4. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh

    yes we are

    the china study proves absolutely nothing. If you care to search my post I have commented on it several times.

    No
    I'm open to hearing why u feel this way. I'm no vegan LOL trust me. But I do believe that's the healthiest way to live.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by hugry4more View Post
    Couldn't find any your post. but to say we are ment to eat meat, and to say the China study doesn't prove anything that just sounds not to be a dbag but single minded. When u combined the results from the China study with, the lab test showing that cancer growth increases with diary proteins and decreases with no diary and a plant based diet how can anything u say have a valid point. The facts all right I'm front on us. We just don't want it to be the truth.
    See below

    Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh View Post
    While I am not familiar with that documentary I do know the "study" you are referring to.

    There were several flaws in Campbell’s analytical methods. He ignored any study that demonstrated anything counter to his claims and cherry-picked references to support his claims (many of which don't even support the claims he tries to make)

    Basically he tried to correlate cancer with cholesterol, associate cholesterol with animal protein, and attempt to lead the reader into inferring animal protein associates with cancer. He never once cites a direct correlation between cancer and animal protein consumption. Instead what he did was add in a third variable (cholesterol) into the mix. Now while plasma cholesterol correlates positively with animal protein consumption and negatively with plant protein consumption, it isn't to the extent Cambell leads you to believe. When you actually track down the direct correlation between animal protein and cancer you discover there is no statistically significant positive trend to be found.

    Animal protein intake has the following correlations with cancers:
    Lymphoma: -18
    Penis cancer: -16
    Rectal cancer: -12
    Bladder cancer: -9
    Colorectal cancer: -8
    Leukemia: -5
    Nasopharyngeal: -4
    Cervix cancer: -4
    Colon cancer: -3
    Liver cancer: -3
    Oesophageal cancer: +2
    Brain cancer: +5
    Breast cancer: +12

    Now look at the cancer correlations with “plant protein intake”:
    Brain cancer: -15
    Liver cancer: -14
    Penis cancer: -4
    Lymphoma: -4
    Bladder cancer: -3
    Breast cancer: +1
    Stomach cancer: +10
    Rectal cancer: +12
    Cervix cancer: +12
    Colon cancer: +13
    Leukemia: +15
    Oesophageal cancer +18
    Colorectal cancer: +19

    As you can see with animal protein consumption most of the correlations are negative and none of them reach a statistical significance. However what you do see is a positive correlation with plant protein and cancers. In fact, when we look solely at the variable “death from all cancers,” the association with plant protein is +12. With animal protein, it’s only +3. Hardly evidence against animal protein.

    In the "China Study" Cambell repeatedly distorts facts and chooses to leave relatively important information out of it. He tries to show a link between animal protein and cardiovascular disease (correlation of +1 for animal protein and -11 for fish protein), yet fails to bring up wheat flour has a correlation of +67 with heart attacks and coronary heart disease, and plant protein correlates at +25 with these conditions. He leaves out the correlations wheat has to cervix cancer (+46), with hypertensive heart disease (+54), with stroke (+47), with diseases of the blood and blood-forming organs (+41), and the +67 with myocardial infarction and coronary heart disease. Why does Campbell point out the relationship between cholesterol and colorectal cancer (+33) but does not mention the much higher relationship between sea vegetables and colorectal cancer (+76)?? It is pretty obvious he is attempt to create misleading correlations to further push a result he has already determined to be there before any of the research was actually done. Or in other words he is obviously pushing his own agenda with the study.

    When you actually look at the evidence it takes a HUGE leap in logic to link animal products with disease by way of blood cholesterol when the animal products themselves don’t correlate with those diseases. “The China Study” is nothing more than a collection of carefully chosen data and assembled in a way to sell you the authors preconceived reality.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by hugry4more View Post
    I'm open to hearing why u feel this way. I'm no vegan LOL trust me. But I do believe that's the healthiest way to live.
    Being a vegan isnt intrinsticly healthier for you.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by JesstheIbex View Post
    Hmmmmm I may try this... Need a juicer tho... My blender is horrible! I should just get rid of it (but it's my roomies)

    What fruits/veggies/herbs do u recommend? Also how many "shakes" a day? Lastly what about protein intake for the day? (I do have some elite vanilla protein powder)

    I'm hypoglycemic so I really have I b careful with any type of diet/fasting or my blood sugar may abruptly crash n I black out.

    Thanks!
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  8. How do u explain the labs then , showing cancer growth going up and down in direct correlation with animal based vs plant based diets. And with out getting into all the science data I mean its it obvious. Ingenious people with veggie based diets not sick. Everyone else sick LOL. Im not one to personally believe all animal products are directly bad for u. But that the portion should be much much smaller. And if what ur saying is that the study is bogus how do explain the gerson theroy... it works!! I never heard someone cure cancer with an animal based diet LOL.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh

    Being a vegan isnt intrinsticly healthier for you.
    I dated a vegan once. She didn't eat meat but she sho liked the bone.
    Everything I say is fictional and for entertainment purposes only. Do not ask me for sources. I dont have any.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by hugry4more View Post
    How do explain the labs then , showing cancer growth going up and down in direct correlation with animal based vs plant based diet.
    did you read my post? The correlation between animal protein and cancer does not exist

    Quote Originally Posted by hugry4more View Post
    And with out getting into all the science data I mean its it obvious.
    so let me guess this straight, you want to cite a study to try and prove your point but dont want to get into a discussion about the science of said study? lol..

    Quote Originally Posted by hugry4more View Post
    Ingenious people with veggie based diet not sick. Everyone else sick LOL.
    Indigenous people ate meat.
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  11. Did I open a can of worms? Lol

    I do have one brief thing to say... Humans are omnivores but if u look at studies showing the breakdown of our digestive track. i.e. our long g.i. Track is designed for being an herbivore. Yet we do have incisors like carnivores and out flat molars like herbivores. We can eat meat but our bodies run more smoothly if we have more of a vegetarian style diet.

    As for vegans. I kno plenty that are anything but skin n bone. Vegans do have to be more meticulous with what they eat and what they add to their food to ensure that they get the nutrients their bodies need.

    As for the correlational study... Was this proteins simply from plants and animal? Or having protein thru consumption of meat vs vegetables... If its this then is it thru consumption of organic meat vs organic veggies protein in correlation to cancer. Bc correlational studies are not cause n effect n don't take in other factors associated with those variables. (i.e. vegetables with pesticides... Pesticides increasing chance of having gene mutations and causing cancer later in life)

  12. Quote Originally Posted by JudoJosh

    did you read my post? The correlation between animal protein and cancer does not exist

    so let me guess this straight, you want to cite a study to try and prove your point but dont want to get into a discussion about the science of said study? lol..

    Indigenous people ate meat.
    What I was trying to say is I don't trust your explanation of the scientific data. There are labs done that show correlation between cancer n meat n dairy. Illcpost it when I find it. You make it seem like u have a point but u really don't. You can't come up with why the gersons theroy works. Do u understand exactly what organic fruits n veggies do when they are consumed?

    Like I said I'm not a vegan advocate or saying meat is bad for you. Just saying there are some things we can learn. Don't get urself all worked up bro were all on the same team hear LOL..

  13. Quote Originally Posted by JesstheIbex
    Did I open a can of worms? Lol

    I do have one brief thing to say... Humans are omnivores but if u look at studies showing the breakdown of our digestive track. i.e. our long g.i. Track is designed for being an herbivore. Yet we do have incisors like carnivores and out flat molars like herbivores. We can eat meat but our bodies run more smoothly if we have more of a vegetarian style diet.

    As for vegans. I kno plenty that are anything but skin n bone. Vegans do have to be more meticulous with what they eat and what they add to their food to ensure that they get the nutrients their bodies need.

    As for the correlational study... Was this proteins simply from plants and animal? Or having protein thru consumption of meat vs vegetables... If its this then is it thru consumption of organic meat vs organic veggies protein in correlation to cancer. Bc correlational studies are not cause n effect n don't take in other factors associated with those variables. (i.e. vegetables with pesticides... Pesticides increasing chance of having gene mutations and causing cancer later in life)
    Ill have to look into that. I agree with you. I believe the study shows cancer mortality rates and diet. As far as is it organic Idk. And that is a factor. It may be safe to say yes because the where the studies were conducted these people were really farming for themselves to eat for to sell in huge amounts.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by hugry4more View Post
    What I was trying to say is I don't trust your explanation of the scientific data.
    what dont you trust?

    Quote Originally Posted by hugry4more View Post
    There are labs done that show correlation between cancer n meat n dairy. Illcpost it when I find it.
    Please cite them then because this is not what the china study proves.

    Quote Originally Posted by hugry4more View Post
    You make it seem like u have a point but u really don't.
    My point is, being vegan/vegetarian does not offer any intrinsic health benefits over an omnivores diet. My second point, animal protein is not directly linked to cancer.


    Quote Originally Posted by hugry4more View Post
    You can't come up with why the gersons theroy works.
    the gersons theory is nothing more then quackery and pseudoscience. There are no evidence that support his claims.

    Quote Originally Posted by hugry4more View Post
    Do u understand exactly what organic fruits n veggies do when they are consumed?
    I eat locally and mostly organic but dont know what this has to do with anything. What I was responding to was the claim animal protein leads to cancer, which is false.

    Quote Originally Posted by hugry4more View Post
    Like I said I'm not a vegan advocate or saying meat is bad for you. Just saying there are some things we can learn. Don't get urself all worked up bro were all on the same team hear LOL..
    Not worked up the least bit, I am just trying to stop the spread of misinformation
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  15. On the subject of health benefits. Basing your diet on eating fruits might have quite opposite effect. At least according to this study:

    Long-term fructose consumption accelerates glycation and several age-related variables in male rats.

    Levi B, et al. Show all

    J Nutr. 1998 Sep;128(9):1442-9.

    Department of Food Engineering and Biotechnology, Technion-Israel Institute of Technology, Haifa, Israel.

    Abstract Fructose intake has increased steadily during the past two decades. Fructose, like other reducing sugars, can react with proteins through the Maillard reaction (glycation), which may account for several complications of diabetes mellitus and accelerating aging. In this study, we evaluated the effect of fructose intake on some age-related variables. Rats were fed for 1 y a commercial nonpurified diet, and had free access to water or 250 g/L solutions of fructose, glucose or sucrose. Early glycation products were evaluated by blood glycated hemoglobin and fructosamine concentrations. Lipid peroxidation was estimated by urine thiobarbituric reactive substances. Skin collagen crosslinking was evaluated by solubilization in natural salt or diluted acetic acid solutions, and by the ratio between beta- and alpha-collagen chains. Advanced glycation end products were evaluated by collagen-linked fluorescence in bones. The ratio between type-III and type-I collagens served as an aging variable and was measured in denatured skin collagen. The tested sugars had no effect on plasma glucose concentrations. Blood fructose, cholesterol, fructosamine and glycated hemoglobin levels, and urine lipid peroxidation products were significantly higher in fructose-fed rats compared with the other sugar-fed and control rats. Acid-soluble collagen and the type-III to type-I ratio were significantly lower, whereas insoluble collagen, the beta to alpha ratio and collagen-bound fluorescence at 335/385 nm (excitation/emission) were significantly higher in fructose-fed rats than in the other groups. The data suggest that long-term fructose consumption induces adverse effects on aging; further studies are required to clarify the precise role of fructose in the aging process.
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  16. I'm a little confused here, I want to do this fruit/veggie detox but no protein source? Wouldn't that mean one would lose considerable size and strength?

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Fast90
    I'm a little confused here, I want to do this fruit/veggie detox but no protein source? Wouldn't that mean one would lose considerable size and strength?
    It depends on your genetics. And you will be fasting..so u will lose some size. How ever numerous studies show fasting to be good for you. Its like lance Armstrong said. When he got cancer he lost all his muscles. He wasn't really like the best biker before .. but then as he trained and got strong he said my muscles came back but they came back different. As in a good way he went on to win 7 times. So the theory is when u kinda drain ur muscles of glycogen, and starve them per say, then u start training again n dieting they will come back stronger more dense.. different in a good way.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by JesstheIbex View Post
    This is when I wish I had a kitchen n fridge stocked like on a food network show... "now let me just go to the fridge and grab some kale and cucumbers... Mixed berries... Ah n here they are!" : P
    I played out your food network show in my mind with Martha Stewart voice. Thanks for the laughs. Juices are great though, my friend's mom has always been a health nut so when I'd go over to his house i'd always be trying crazy, well what I thought was crazy concoctions of things
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by xigotmailx

    I played out your food network show in my mind with Martha Stewart voice.
    We have Nigella on that side of pond ;-)

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  20. Quote Originally Posted by UKNoko View Post
    We have Nigella on that side of pond ;-)

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  21. Quote Originally Posted by hugry4more View Post
    Its like lance Armstrong said. When he got cancer he lost all his muscles. He wasn't really like the best biker before .. but then as he trained and got strong he said my muscles came back but they came back different. As in a good way he went on to win 7 times. So the theroy is when u kinda drain ur muscles of glycogen and starve them per say when u start training again n dieting they will come back stronger more dense different in a good way.
    It is often said he lost around 20lbs from his upper body which helped him tremendously. Upper body is dead weight in cycling. There are others things that could have helped, like his mental state and his determination.

    The theory of "muscle coming back more stronger and dense" is just a bogus theory without any merit.

  22. interesting

  23. Quote Originally Posted by anoopbal

    It is often said he lost around 20lbs from his upper body which helped him tremendously. Upper body is dead weight in cycling. There are others things that could have helped, like his mental state and his determination.

    The theory of "muscle coming back more stronger and dense" is just a bogus theory without any merit.
    Im proof your wrong bud. Fasted for two weeks lost round 15lbs. Been hitting gym back on diet have only gained back 5 but I'm just as strong when I had an extra 10lbs on me.. lifting the same exact weights more in some case...

  24. Quote Originally Posted by hugry4more View Post
    It depends on your genetics. And you will be fasting..so u will lose some size. How ever numerous studies show fasting to be good for you. Its like lance Armstrong said. When he got cancer he lost all his muscles. He wasn't really like the best biker before .. but then as he trained and got strong he said my muscles came back but they came back different. As in a good way he went on to win 7 times. So the theroy is when u kinda drain ur muscles of glycogen and starve them per say when u start training again n dieting they will come back stronger more dense different in a good way.
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  25. ^^ haters going hate. Hey man that's fine. I not saying this is proof I'm just saying this is some the new information out there. And I tried it once and it worked for me. Call it placebo call it junk whatever you want to each there own. I just became aware of juicing and such not too long ago and I was open to it unlike other people who just blow it off as junk. I have had noticeable results from eating less meats more beans, less bread more fruit... so shoot me LOL. These are opinions based on the results I seem myself achieve and others... and that's all it really comes down to... results. I've done the typical bb diet, lots of whey lots of brown rice, lots of oats, chicken breasts.. my new diet involves juicing, lots salads beans moderation in meats. And my body changed for the better. I even think clearer. Im still getting the same macros just different sources.
    So I apologize for being an advocate for something that worked for me LOL..don't get all bent out shape bro..to each there own
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