Simple vs complex carbs: the last word?

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  1. i think ur idea that maybe ur body has built up a so called "intolerance" to teh carbs is possible....keep trying it out and see what happens...other than that i say try doign a decent amt of simple cars, since it seems liek u really want that cereal, and also some slower carbs, have a mix of both jsut keep playin around with it, but dont deprive yourself unless ur results start going in teh wrong direction ya know


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Frank Reynolds View Post
    x 2

    This is what it is going to come down to. And even more so with you, as you are not the norm in the way you handle carbs, clearly.

    Try a few different notable protocols, see what you look and feel the best on, and also which you find the most ENJOYABLE. A BIG part of the refeed is the psychological impact as well.

    You may find one approach that lends itself better to you, but need to tweak it a bit for yourself.

    But DO THEM. Don't eat 2 waffles, and bail out. Coming into that refeed you are so depleted with all your intense training sessions, low bf, lack of carbs, etc you are not going to store BF.
    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Reynolds View Post
    IMO use almond milk or something other then dairy for the cereal.

    Good luck.
    Thanks bro

    also for this last thing about the milk, I didn't think about it

    Indeed, the sanity side of the refeed is also something I'm looking for
    because while I'm used to the ass-kickin' both in the gym and at the table
    hell, I could use an enjoyable cereal day a great deal

    Monday would be it, we'll see how it goes, I've already got the cereals,
    first time I wanna try just with ONE kind of carb to better monitoring both results
    and possible stomach problems.
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  3. soudns good man, g/l...what are the cereals of choice? lol

  4. Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47 View Post
    Monday would be it, we'll see how it goes, I've already got the cereals,
    first time I wanna try just with ONE kind of carb to better monitoring both results
    and possible stomach problems.
    That makes sense.

    And keep in mind that you didn't get where you are over night, so it may take a few days, weeks, months to get your body handling carbs again, even if it is on this one day.

    What cereal are you going with?

    Typically with cereal I mix some whey/protein with water, and use that as my "milk". A good vanilla goes a long way with some delicious cereals..haha

  5. Quote Originally Posted by mkretz View Post
    soudns good man, g/l...what are the cereals of choice? lol
    What I got is a no-brand really, I just bought them few hours ago
    I went for the classic Rice Krispies for the low sugar/low fat, puffed rice, should be easy to digest
    and I can add a tbs of choc whey for flavor (or almond milk as suggested)
    and then i went for some cheerios knockouts (I mean exactly the same shape
    and kind) for the sugary ones.
    But these have much better profile, 1gr of fat, 8gr of protein and 80+ carbs (36 sugar/honey)
    the cereal itself is mixed whole flours, honey coated, they got a great deal of vitamins, riboflavin etc..
    I spend quite some time reading labels at the store today


    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Reynolds View Post
    That makes sense.

    And keep in mind that you didn't get where you are over night, so it may take a few days, weeks, months to get your body handling carbs again, even if it is on this one day.

    What cereal are you going with?

    Typically with cereal I mix some whey/protein with water, and use that as my "milk". A good vanilla goes a long way with some delicious cereals..haha
    Exactly, that's what I'm gonna do, just put a bit of whey in water and use that
    with cereals, as for which ones I got, listed them above
    One type sugary/honey coated, and one almost no sugar (Rice Krispies have 77gr of carbs but only 7gr of sugar x 100gr of product, good profile)

    What do you think?
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  6. I don't know if you get these over there, but I get this stuff. No HFCS, or anything like that, and they have all the replicas of the good stuff.
    http://momsbestnaturals.com/

  7. Sponge Bob cereal, cinna toast crunch, cinna-bon cereal etc....

    I always am a nutcase and will use water mixed with vanilla protein to replace milk and add protein into the extreme insulin response....but yes almond milk/coconut milk would suffice.

    I know carbs are the SOLE PURPOSE for refeeding and protein is typically not worried about BUT I just want to maximize my high insulin levels and drive aminos into cells.....

    obsessive compulsive man....

  8. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    Sponge Bob cereal, cinna toast crunch, cinna-bon cereal etc....

    I always am a nutcase and will use water mixed with vanilla protein to replace milk and add protein into the extreme insulin response....but yes almond milk/coconut milk would suffice.

    I know carbs are the SOLE PURPOSE for refeeding and protein is typically not worried about BUT I just want to maximize my high insulin levels and drive aminos into cells.....

    obsessive compulsive man....
    I do the same thing, as I said above. I am just recommending he not use actual milk(not going to help potential GI issues IMO)
    Almond milk
    Coconut milk
    Either of those with protein powder..
    Water with protein

    I have eaten so much cereal with protein powder/water as my "milk" it tastes weird without it..lol

    Quote Originally Posted by AutoKal47 View Post



    Exactly, that's what I'm gonna do, just put a bit of whey in water and use that
    with cereals, as for which ones I got, listed them above
    One type sugary/honey coated, and one almost no sugar (Rice Krispies have 77gr of carbs but only 7gr of sugar x 100gr of product, good profile)

    What do you think?
    I think that is fine.

    Eat whichever cereals you like, and WANT to eat. Make it enjoyable. I eat like Matt Porter posted. I don't avoid sugar at all.

    I eat rice crispy....treats...lol

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Frank Reynolds View Post
    I don't know if you get these over there, but I get this stuff. No HFCS, or anything like that, and they have all the replicas of the good stuff.
    http://momsbestnaturals.com/
    I can check if I can find something like this on the organic sections, I'm sure there's gonna be something like that


    Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    Sponge Bob cereal, cinna toast crunch, cinna-bon cereal etc....

    I always am a nutcase and will use water mixed with vanilla protein to replace milk and add protein into the extreme insulin response....but yes almond milk/coconut milk would suffice.

    I know carbs are the SOLE PURPOSE for refeeding and protein is typically not worried about BUT I just want to maximize my high insulin levels and drive aminos into cells.....

    obsessive compulsive man....
    Absolutely, I'm all excited now about the cereals lol, for some reason I didn't think about them up until now,
    plus I have the choice of trying the Krispies (no sugar) or the sugary ones.. and see how it goes.

    Definitely gonna use a bit of whey with water with them, that's also how I was doing it
    when eating them years ago.

    indeed
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by Frank Reynolds View Post
    I do the same thing, as I said above. I am just recommending he not use actual milk(not going to help potential GI issues IMO)
    Almond milk
    Coconut milk
    Either of those with protein powder..
    Water with protein

    I have eaten so much cereal with protein powder/water as my "milk" it tastes weird without it..lol



    I think that is fine.

    Eat whichever cereals you like, and WANT to eat. Make it enjoyable. I eat like Matt Porter posted. I don't avoid sugar at all.

    I eat rice crispy....treats...lol
    Same for me, i don't like milk and I'm used to water/whey as my milk as well

    Indeed, I'ma also pick a box of some that I want and enjoy eating,
    I think that will also play a BIG part of how many carbs I'll be able to eat, you know?
    With oats.. damn, I can shove those down my throat only that much..
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  11. So whats the consensus on simple vs complex to sum it up in laymans?
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    So whats the consensus on simple vs complex to sum it up in laymans?
    Like anything else. Try both, and form your own opinion.

    There are arguments for both sides. There are people who get into insane condition eating both. There is no definitive answer, IMO.

  13. I did simple thinking it would be anabolic. And I got fat. Doc told me to lose weight lol.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by mugen112
    I did simple thinking it would be anabolic. And I got fat. Doc told me to lose weight lol.
    Right lol
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  15. I know by definition it was an anabolic effect but it wasn't like all the articles said. I stay away from simple when I can. I like orange juice in the morning.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by mugen112
    I know by definition it was an anabolic effect but it wasn't like all the articles said. I stay away from simple when I can. I like orange juice in the morning.
    Rights that mostly consides with what I read.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by mugen112
    I did simple thinking it would be anabolic. And I got fat. Doc told me to lose weight lol.
    Without knowing more, we can't draw much from this, but sounds like you did it wrong

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Frank Reynolds

    Without knowing more, we can't draw much from this, but sounds like you did it wrong
    Didn't like my glycobol offer?

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  19. Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1

    Didn't like my glycobol offer?

    Decided to go a different route. I have a gda stock pile going. Other then bcaa it is the only other supp I use these days lol.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Frank Reynolds

    Decided to go a different route. I have a gda stock pile going. Other then bcaa it is the only other supp I use these days lol.
    I got cha Frank...
    I also take it u like ABC evening news










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  21. I even used recompadrol during my simple carb diet.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by mugen112 View Post
    I even used recompadrol during my simple carb diet.
    Ok..lol

    You could use t3, gh, test, tren, and var, and if your diet is ****, you will get fat.

    There is no telling, as you haven't posted anything in regards to your diet.

    This thread is about refeeds. Were you refeeding?

  23. No I was just comparing simple to complex like the thread title suggested and u r right I wasn't refeeding I was going overboard thinking more is better.

  24. ill take some glycobol!

  25. Quote Originally Posted by mkretz
    ill take some glycobol!
    Seems you really want to earn some glycobol

    There's a lot of contest going on have you participated in any?
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