- 10-06-2011, 12:29 AM
If you take a individual and feed them 2000 calories worth of strictly WMS and than another individual and feed them 2000 calories of pure WPI.. are you saying at the end of the week both would have the same body composition?
Extreme? Yes but it illustrates a point..
An out of control insulin levels will lead to a myriad of health problems from raising your triglycerides, decrease HDL, cause your blood to be more prone to clots, walls of your arteries to thicken, decreased blood flow to the heart, inflammation, tells your kidneys to hold on to salt which leads to fluid retention, constriction of artery walls, high blood pressure, insulin resistance etc.. To look at the importance of maintaining stable insulin levels as only a fat loss goal is just naive.
Now this isnt meant to attack insulin at all as it is a very important hormone but constantly bombarding yourself with insulin leads to some very serious health problems. Same goes the other way as if you were able to get rid of all the insulin in your blood than you would loose its ability to store energy in the muscle. It is about a balance.
And to your notion that the body will "adapt" to its constant excess level of insulin is absurd! This leads to insulin resistant. What happens is your body starts to resist insulin's effects (the shuttling of nutrients) and this leads to your body in turn releasing even more insulin and as I pointed out earlier.. excess levels of insulin circulating the blood leads to VERY VERY bad things. What your goal should be is to work towards to a high amount of insulin sensitivity. Your insulin sensitivity will dictate your muscle:fat ratio example: a typical individual might bulk and gain at a 1:2 ratio. If said individual were able to increase their insulin sensitivity then this ratio could change to a 1:1 or even a 2:1 ratio of muscle:fat.
Again this isnt against the idea of spiking your insulin levels but against the downplaying of its importance. Some individuals, especially bodybuilders will benefit from an insulin surge"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance." - Socrates
- 10-06-2011, 08:59 AM
I am not a "if it fits your macros" extremist. I dont sit around eating nothing but junk food all day and I understand very clearly the role insulin plays in processing carbs and storage of fats/building and repair of muscle. However, I have a low tolerance for general bro-science and bodybuilding dogma that says we need to restrict ourselves to certain foods for maximum results. Its just total BS. I eat a wide variety of foods from brocolli and chicken to popcorn and ice cream. And I can achieve striated glutes and feathered quads while doing so.Sean Campbell
Pro Natural Bodybuilder
NRC Sponsored Athlete - Cabergolean.com
- 10-21-2011, 04:05 AM
Managing one's diet based on insulin levels is a piss poor approach and here is why. Firstly, insulin's action on the body is not a binary effect, meaning it is not a simple on or off. It is very dependent on actual levels. So the question I ask to all the insulin management proponents is, 'how do you monitor you insulin levels?' (here's a tip, it is rhetorical). Insulin output is in response to energy balance between food intake and energy expenditure. These are things that you can measure or monitor so adjust one while holding the other constant till you find a combination that meets your bodyweight management goals.
Insulin's behaviour and effects make for a good discussion on general health and the diabetes epidemic but is not something to design a non-anabolic assisted diet around.
As far as the original topic goes, zero calorie sweeteners cannot illicit any significant insulin response because they contain zero calories. One of the effects of insulin is to pull glucose out of the blood stream. If these zero calorie sodas did indeed produce a significant insulin response, there would have been an epidemic of people becoming hypoglycemic. Take everything you read with a grain of salt.
10-22-2011, 11:44 AM
as a lean individual those carb meals are ok due to rises and falls in leptin. leptin is a key regulator in thermogensis and satiety.
problem with heavier individuals theres some sort of resistance.
leaner individuals have lower circulating levels of leptin and when they have the carb meals it ignites the furnace so to say which is why when some people get leaner they switch from low carb to moderate carbs and they see improvement.
also in terms of insulin
300 carb is 300 carb low glycemic or high glycemic your going to release the same amount of insulin each way. just in different times.
and hes right insulin in a state where no calories are consumed wont do much harm at all. may even promote satiety to a degree,
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