The fasting diet is for morons!!!

[CoorsLight126]

WTF is this crap I've been reading about a fasting diet? Ummm....WHY? Please give me one good reason this stupid diet would work better than a well balanced diet, I'm all ears. Why would anybody go 6-8 hrs sleeping, just to wake up and go another 6-8 hrs starving? And then cram in too many calories in a shorter time frame, making damn near impossible to even get the nutrients you'd need throughout the day!! BREAKFAST, BREAK- FAST, your boosting your metabolism by breaking the fast when you wake up and eat, why in Gods name would anybody follow this lame ass diet!! When it comes to diets and fat loss who other than bodybuilders know best? Nobody!! If you asked almost any competitive bodybuilder how he ate to get real lean, I seriously doubt "Fasting diet" would come out of their mouths.

[swollen87]

idk man.... im not sure exactly what the fasting diet entails, but i do know that working out fasted in the morning helps me when im cutting....

and just think about this...... imagine you were a caveman (our ancestors) ... you wouldnt have 10 eggs and bacon every morning at the same time, because you would have to go hunt...

so im gunna venture out and say that we arent SUPPOSED to eat right away in the morning, and maybe were not supposed to eat every 2 hours, or 6 times a day...


just looking at both sides

[soontobbeast]

WTF is this crap I've been reading about a fasting diet? Ummm....WHY? Please give me one good reason this stupid diet would work better than a well balanced diet, I'm all ears. Why would anybody go 6-8 hrs sleeping, just to wake up and go another 6-8 hrs starving? And then cram in too many calories in a shorter time frame, making damn near impossible to even get the nutrients you'd need throughout the day!! BREAKFAST, BREAK- FAST, your boosting your metabolism by breaking the fast when you wake up and eat, why in Gods name would anybody follow this lame ass diet!! When it comes to diets and fat loss who other than bodybuilders know best? Nobody!! If you asked almost any competitive bodybuilder how he ate to get real lean, I seriously doubt "Fasting diet" would come out of their mouths.

An entire post directly aimed toward complaining about something you don't understand.

why don't you try reading?

You can start here : Lean Gains: Comprehensive Fact Sheet & Conclusions

a few bullet points :

(2) You cannot "trick" the body in to burning more or less calories by manipulating meal frequency. Meal frequency does not affect total TEF (Thermic Effect of Food). [Reference: http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top...-debunked.html]

(6) Short-term fasting actually increases metabolic rate. Recent studies indicate that the earliest evidence for lowered metabolic rate in response to fasting occurred after 60 hours (-8% in resting metabolic rate), while others show metabolic rate as not negatively impacted until 72-96 hours of fasting. Recent studies report an increase in metabolic rate of of 3.6% - 10% after fasting for no more than 36-48 hours (Mansell PI, et al, and Zauner C, et al). [Reference: http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top...-debunked.html

(7) It’s false to assume that the body can only use a certain amount of protein per meal. Meals high in protein (30g+) simply take a longer time to digest and ultimately be utilized in comparison to smaller meals. For some concrete numbers, digestion of a standard meal is still incomplete after five hours (Splanchnic and leg substrate exchange after ingest... [Diabetes. 1999] - PubMed result). During this time, amino acids are being released into the bloodstream and absorbed into muscles after a fairly “average” meal of 600 kcal, 75g CHO, 37g PRO, and 17g FAT. The body can utilize far more than 30g protein consumed in one sitting. [Reference: (1) http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top...debunked.html; (2) http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-n...a-single-meal/

(8) Short-term fasting does not result in muscle catabolism. Only in prolonged fasting does protein catabolism become an issue, and only after stored liver glycogen becomes depleted. In fact, it's no stretch to assume that 100 grams of protein as part of a mixed meal at the end of the day would be releasing amino acids into the bloodstream for 16-24 hours after ingestion. [Reference: http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top...-debunked.html]

(15) A recent study suggests that an intermittent calorie restriction diet may be more effective than a daily calorie restriction diet in preserving lean mass when losing weight and fat mass. It is noted however that both intermittent and daily calorie restriction diets are equally as effective in decreasing body weight and fat mass (Intermittent versus daily calorie restriction: whi... [Obes Rev. 2011] - PubMed result). [Reference: http://twitter.com/martinberkhan]

(28) Fasting increases catecholamine levels -- subsequently triggering fat mobilization by activating hormone sensitive lipase (HSL). HSL then shuttles the fat out of the cell to be utilized as energy.[Reference: http://www.leangains.com/2010/06/int...born-body.html]

(29) Fasting increases abdominal subcutaneous blood flow, increasing exposure to catecholamines in the bloodstream. [Reference: http://www.leangains.com/2010/06/int...born-body.html]

(30) Extended periods of reduced insulin levels (as a result of fasting) inhibit a2-receptors and allow for an increased mobilization of b2-receptor dominant stubborn fat. Essentially, a greater time spent in the low insulin state equals a greater time spent in a state where fat can be mobilized from stubborn areas. In anticipation of questions involving low-carbohydrate diets continuously keeping insulin levels low, we must keep in mind that triglycerides inhibit HSL in a similar manner as insulin. [Reference: http://www.leangains.com/2010/06/int...born-body.html]



then you can go to the leangains thread and read about all of the people, myself included, who are seeing better results than ever with this style of eating. plus i can eat fried chicken and pizza and still get leaner. can you do that on your low fat diet?

[RickRock13]

The proof is in the pudding bro....just go to any one of the numerous logs of IF/Lean gains on here and you'll see why we do it and how successful it is. There is a lot of great things about this diet and just because everyone has been led to believe that consuming 5 smaller meals over the course of the day spread out every 2-3 hours is the right and only way, doesn't necessarily mean it is. I've had WAY more success cutting and recomping with this diet than any other traditional diet has ever come close to

[schwellington]

I dont use it, because i cant focking go hours without eating- just cause i like eating lulz


HOWEVER- I doubt you have even researched the diet- in fact Im pretty sure your just a focking ignorant fock, and just spouting out of your ass because this is something new, and unfamiliar to you.

now having said that- this diet is designed in a nutshell to promote nutrient partitioning and helping with insulin sensitivity

[MM11]

I more or less use this diet. Have been forr years. I use it because that's how my eating time falls into my schedule. 3 large meals and post work out shake is all. Aminos/ creatine/ BA sipped on all day.If it doesn't work for you... Do what does. It's really my only option, and it works.

[TheMeatus101]

Im pretty sure your just a focking ignorant fock, and just spouting out of your ass because this is something new, and unfamiliar to you.

Well i'll be Damn'd.

[GeekPoop]

Pot calling the kettle black lol

[Iron Warrior]

Not knocking but I would go insane w/out food 6-8 hours at a time. OTOH, eating every 2.2341 hours is not necessary. No need to complicate the basics. It's okay if one day you consume your calories in 4 meals vs 6 meals.

[tubbednova]

I myself see no benefits in it.Im sure your body would get use to it after some time being on it.
I'd only fast for religious reasons and that would be iffy to do then.I don't think losing weight/fat which ever it does is worth the misery that would come with this type of "diet"
Just my 2cents to 1 his own.

[Folkmetalhead]

Worth of what misery? I personally enjoy eating BIG and tasty meals 3 times a day in 8 hour window more than way i ate before.

[Bolanrox]

yeah it must be crap, thats why in the past 6 weeks, i have been gaining LBM and getting stronger while my waist is shrinking to the point that i need to wear a belt or my pants would slide off..

Nothing like bashing something with none of the facts. You should run for office

[seccsi]

Don't let anything like science get in the way of your rant.

[EasyEJL]

The proof is in the pudding bro....just go to any one of the numerous logs of IF/Lean gains on here and you'll see why we do it and how successful it is. There is a lot of great things about this diet and just because everyone has been led to believe that consuming 5 smaller meals over the course of the day spread out every 2-3 hours is the right and only way, doesn't necessarily mean it is. I've had WAY more success cutting and recomping with this diet than any other traditional diet has ever come close to

I'll just one up this post. Forget about the numerous logs. Look at scientific studies. There are studies showing that types of intermittent fasting (including Ramadan fasting for Muslims) improve body composition, insulin sensitivity, growth hormone and other hormone levels. There are NO studies showing that eating 6 or 8 meals a day is beneficial over 2 or 3 meals a day in any way except psychological. I'll grant particularly at first the fasting type diets require some mental adjustment, but outside of that its proven to be far more beneficial than 6-8 meals spread over your waking hours.

like this article says http://anabolicminds.com/forum/conte...your-body-222/

In a fasting condition, there's no food coming in to stimulate any increase insulin. If you find that you can't make it more than two hours, you're probably inflexible to burning body fat. Not a good state to be in, my large friend. If you can easily go for 5-6 hours, that's much better.

probably if you have a hard time dealing with eating less frequently than every 3 hours you have some insulin sensitivity problems.

[tubbednova]

I have a thyroid problem which would result in "misery" also it helps me to eat 7x a day because i feel like crap if i eat to much and to get the cals i need 3x would be a massive amount of food.Thinking were losing fat/weight by just the cals not how long or how many times we eat.

[soontobbeast]

i absolutely hated eating several times a day. its such a focking hassle. some people love it though.


whatever you can adhere to the best is what will work.

[tubbednova]

I don't care for it to much either but have no choice but to do it.To much fatigue after bigger meals.Use to it now cook at start of week and fix stuff night before for the day.

[RickRock13]

i absolutely hated eating several times a day. its such a focking hassle. some people love it though.


whatever you can adhere to the best is what will work.

I agree that this diet is both easier than eating so many times a day, and also more enjoyable. I like the leniency with it a lot

[CoorsLight126]

Seems to me 90% of you guys ranting and raving over this diet are under 200 lbs, I'm not knocking you for that, all I'm saying is where are the guys with a ton of lean muscle and low bodyfat talking about this diet? And please shut up about all of this ancestor bull****, our ancestors were also a lot smaller and died a lot younger. For every retard who shouts about ancestors I could show you a bodybuilder who eats a ton of oats, grits, and white potatoes and eats all day. Most of the people I trained in the past had one thing in common, they did not eat during the first half of the day, AND THEY WERE FATTER THAN ****!!! I had to get them to start eating breakfast to see some real changes. All this crap is so nit picky blown out of proportion its beyond retarded. "Insulin sensitivity this, release GH that, 80 grams of this, 30 grams of that" Think about what your saying to yourselves "Its much more convenient and easier for me" so now the truth comes out, bodybuilding is work!!

[fightbackhxc]

Super Human Radio has a show on this. I haven't listened but I thought I saw something where it helped increase protein synthesis. Also if you are fasted you are tapping into your fat storage rather than burning carbs.