The fasting diet is for morons!!!
- 08-06-2011, 06:33 AM
- 08-06-2011, 06:49 AM
Sure we eat some foods with high calorie density (and still get leaner) but 80% - 90% of what I eat is good sensible and well balanced to my particular specifications.
This is the way I was born to eat because my metabolism has not evolved. I have to eat the way our primitive ancestors ate. It really works and I mean body type changing. I am no longer an endo type and am now capable of things I never have been. I have to go get ready for my fav workout of the week my Saturday morning fasted workout.
08-06-2011, 10:25 AM
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08-06-2011, 12:16 PM
Also, I don't feel like garbage during my fast as Coors mentioned...quite the opposite. If you know what happens to the body during a fast, you know why you will feel more energtic and happy during that period. As I said the first couple days are hard, but once I got into it I loved it. My last couple hours fasted are usually the best I feel all day.
I wish I believed that eating breakfast would help me stay lean. If I did I would eat it. Breakfast foods have always been a favorite to me, but I include them in my post workout meals now. Whole wheat english muffin...with eggs, canadian bacon, and cheese...and it tastes so much better after a 16 hr fast!
My problem with the small 6 meal approach has always been coming home at night and wanting to eat everything in the house. It was always a daily struggle for me to keep my calorie count down. Fasting for 16 hrs isn't that hard for me. Eating a meal and stopping eating before I want to/before Im full sucks, and doing it 6 times every day is torture. Now I get to eat at night the way I want to and I get better results than I ever did at 6 meals/day.
08-06-2011, 02:46 PM
Also while not the exact same as this, Layne Norton believes larger less frequent meals are beneficial to muscle building/protein synthesis. IIRC he recommends 4 meals or so, so realistically this isn't that far a stretch from that.
08-06-2011, 03:41 PM
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08-06-2011, 03:44 PM
08-06-2011, 04:22 PM
08-06-2011, 05:44 PM
Do the math dudes our body acclimatized to this way of life cuz we lived it for 10's of thousands of years. Many of us still have very primitive metabolisms. After we get accustomed to fasting again everything falls into place...
I had a killer workout today where I was 14 hours fasted, I fuggin slayed it!! My non-fasted workouts don't compare but I work out later in the day then and don't always want to extend my fast that long. There really is no need as I have a lot to eat on workout days and 8 hours is short enough.
Yah small meals for me was a fuggin disaster in the off season!! I damn near had to kill myself to get lean for contests, now it's much easier and I preserve wayyyy more muscle. I don't think I will be giving it up any time soon, lol then I would be a moron to give up something that works this well for me. I am fuggin stoked!!
08-06-2011, 09:50 PM
08-07-2011, 11:57 AM
Wesley is the man! Been a member over at iron addicts for quite some time....RIP to him Before he passed he was just dipping into IF and wrote some good info on a modified warrior diet IF approach for weight trainees. Hell I still use this diet over a year later. Works great!
08-07-2011, 01:12 PM
This is a great analogy of IF. I agree with everything you said here. I put myself through hell last year trying to lean out on a traditional 6 meal a day diet, only to lose a good amount of muscle in the process and ending up nowhere near as lean as I am now on IF. Not only have I been able to retain muscle while getting to 8%, but have added in a decent mount of LBM in the process. This has become my lifestyle, and I am in love with every facet of it. For the first time ever, I just may be carrying my six pack around all year whether I am bulking or cutting.
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08-07-2011, 01:23 PM
I will point out a great irony here in that so many people are using the Caveman analogy here, but also do not have the food selection from that era. How many using IF are also following Paleo principles?
M.Ed. Ex Phys
08-07-2011, 01:29 PM
I never bring up the caveman idea largely because we really don't know how they ate. There is plenty of scientific documentation showing its positive effects with delving into anthropology theories and the mistaken belief that what we evolved to eat is also what is optimal to eat.
08-07-2011, 01:34 PM
I just find it annoying when people buffet their explanations. You can't use the Caveman analogy to support the idea of IF without also using the principles of food selections consistent with foods from the era.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
08-07-2011, 01:50 PM
08-07-2011, 01:51 PM
08-07-2011, 01:51 PM
08-07-2011, 01:57 PM
08-07-2011, 02:03 PM
Guys what really mifs me is other people trying to tell me how I should eat. I am not saying this diet works for everybody and never have. What I am saying is that it seems to work very well for people like me. I know that it words miraculously well for me and I will share that with others but in no way would I recommend it for others as a matter of fact there are many I would not recommend it for and have told many others not to employ it because I don't think it will work well for people with quicker metabolisms.
Rodia made a good point about what part of the world you are from making a difference. People from northern climates with shorter growing seasons are much more likely to have less evolved metabolisms. I mean think about it how long have we had certain food groups available year round. Maybe 3 generations, what's that compare to 10 of thousands of years.
Maybe we don't know exactly what cavemen ate but we know for a fact that food was not easy to come by and that we had to eat much like other carnivores... less frequently and that we would have had to gorge while there was food available. Competition for food would have been very high.
08-07-2011, 02:21 PM
But the point remains I don't think that simply because I eat Paleo I need to examine whether or not IF fits into "what the caveman" did. I don't get caught up in all that. Cavemen certainly weren't using supplements and I use all sorts of supplements. I like the idea behind Paleo. I like to eat low carb, I'm a big meat fan, and I think the more sugar/stuff outta a box we can avoid the better. I don't think it through to the point of flipping out about something like IF. If that means I'm not truly following Paleo then I'm not truly following Paleo. Doesn't matter a bit to me.
08-07-2011, 02:37 PM
M.Ed. Ex Phys
08-07-2011, 02:45 PM
08-07-2011, 04:44 PM
Oh and I am assuming about the low carbs cuz I don't have a vast knowledge of Paleo and from what I have heard it's very low carb.
08-07-2011, 04:49 PM
08-07-2011, 04:58 PM
08-07-2011, 05:59 PM
I want to give IF another try because maybe I was just doing it wrong - I read the leangains stuff but I would be more interested in what people are actually doing. I might have to start a new thread to get input but what I would like to know just the cliffs from everyone who is doing to include just the following info, what time meals, how many calories or percent of daily calories each meal and what time training. I think that would give me a better idea of how to approach it.
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08-07-2011, 07:17 PM
Maybe... and this is a huge maybe... BUT DO WHAT WORKS FOR YOU!!!!
I used the lean gains diet approach and did terrible on it. I actually lost muscle and looked worse, and yes I did it right. I do the traditional eat every 3 to 4 hours approach and I am fine and feel better, but that's me. A lot of you do fine on lean gains approach, but I didnt. Everyone is going to have results on different things. Example I eat one or two pieces of fruit a day I hold 5-7lb of water weight from it. My ex gf could eat fruit all day long and be totally fine. I don't see the point of this war between everything. All things work for each of us differently.
08-07-2011, 07:18 PM
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