The fasting diet is for morons!!!

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by CoorsLight126 View Post
    So within an 8 hr time frame your cramming in around 2-3000 calories? Yea, ok, good luck with that. Sure your getting leaner, catabolic wise too!!!

    And yes, I carry my meals with me to work and some other places I go, its called discipline.
    Great stuff here. It's cool, you like to go with dogma. You think anytime you go more than 2 hours without food your body shifts into some muscle eating state. You're probably one of those "bros" who wakes up at 3 a.m. to down another casein shake.

    I know, we're strange. See a lot of us use science to guide our iron endeavors. It's the type of thing that is backed up by research. I know science isn't for everyone and some people just like to say a bunch of crap like "that's catabolic!" That's cool, my old gym was filled with tons of people like you. Just try not to get mad at those of us who do use science as our guide.


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    Lean Gains...any questions?
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  3. Man, forget all the science, my increased strength, decreased weight, and smaller waist, and the fact that my life is much more enjoyable since starting IF, the OP repeated old poorly founded bodybuilding dogma but with a new twist.

    He used CAPSLOCK -- undeniable proof that his statments are forged in logical rigor and are undeniably true.

    I am convinced, back to 7 tiny meals per day. Where is my tupperware?

  4. Quote Originally Posted by CoorsLight126 View Post
    So within an 8 hr time frame your cramming in around 2-3000 calories? Yea, ok, good luck with that. Sure your getting leaner, catabolic wise too!!!

    And yes, I carry my meals with me to work and some other places I go, its called discipline.
    I'm going to start making my kids carry around meals everywhere they go whenever they dont do their chores...sounds like a solid form of discipline...

    What else do you reccomend? Standing in the corner? Perhaps a time out to spark anabolism?

    Why do I need to be disciplined? Is there some logic in that?

    As I said, IF isn't for everyone. If you don't want to do it that's fine, it might not be right for you. But to suggest that making your life inconveinient through "disciplinary" actions like carrying a knight rider lunchbox around with you everywhere you go is silly.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by TurningGreen View Post
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    hahahhahahahahhahaha, dont hurt em' hammer!!! bwahahahhaha
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by TurningGreen View Post
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    Lean Gains...any questions?

    Yea, where do i find a hat like that? Jus playin yo' Forealz tho' yo', how da' hell youz' pose' to do dis' "LaneGane" thang'? I might have to start PM'ing you on this one, i read all the **** on the site and whatnot. Sooooo you're pretty good with it?
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by CoorsLight126 View Post
    hahahhahahahahhahaha, dont hurt em' hammer!!! bwahahahhaha
    Oh and by the way, I weigh over 200 lbs (juice free)... you started this mess of a thread...jealousy will not dig you out
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by TurningGreen View Post
    Oh and by the way, I weigh over 200 lbs (juice free)... you started this mess of a thread...jealousy will not dig you out
    When the ignorant have no arguments they will resort to personal attacks instead.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by TheMeatus101 View Post
    Yea, where do i find a hat like that? Jus playin yo' Forealz tho' yo', how da' hell youz' pose' to do dis' "LaneGane" thang'? I might have to start PM'ing you on this one, i read all the **** on the site and whatnot. Sooooo you're pretty good with it?
    PM away bro, Its pretty straight forward if you're familiar with your maintenance calories, and with what macros work for you. I used to do the whole eat every two hr. deal...what a head ache. Im not saying its the wrong way, but man eating 1,100 cal in one meal is heavenly after going years on 400cal small meals.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    When the ignorant have no arguments they will resort to personal attacks instead.
    I dont personal attack **** unless someone comes at me thinking they are Arnold Schwarzenegger. Guys, seriously, quit telling yourself this method of dieting is better than giving yourself a consistent feed of nutrients and protein. All jokes aside, you guys work out hard, do cardio, burn calories. Why are you fasting like this? Its flat out stupid. Dudes have been making lean gains and getting in single digit bodyfat for years and years, its nothing new. All you need to do is eat clean and adjust your calories to fall within the right range. As for making any gains on a fast, everyone likes to think that what they are doing is the best but anyone who has ever made serious gains has fueled their body with lots of food and nutrients-more than they burn. "When I started this I got headaches" some say. Well dumbasses, that is nature telling you something, eat!! Why would you go 16 hrs straight with no food in your system, its a frikken recipe for disaster!! As for the natural guys, all power to ya, I respect that. But there comes a point when your body either has the right amount of chemicals to keep growing or it does not, period. All of these little tricks up your sleeve you think you have are smoke up your asses. I'm done with this bull****, keep listening to all of these talking parrots and "rep power" frikken joke. I'm done, ok you win, stay small retards

  11. Quote Originally Posted by CoorsLight126 View Post
    I dont personal attack **** unless someone comes at me thinking they are Arnold Schwarzenegger. Guys, seriously, quit telling yourself this method of dieting is better than giving yourself a consistent feed of nutrients and protein. All jokes aside, you guys work out hard, do cardio, burn calories. Why are you fasting like this? Its flat out stupid. Dudes have been making lean gains and getting in single digit bodyfat for years and years, its nothing new. All you need to do is eat clean and adjust your calories to fall within the right range. As for making any gains on a fast, everyone likes to think that what they are doing is the best but anyone who has ever made serious gains has fueled their body with lots of food and nutrients-more than they burn. "When I started this I got headaches" some say. Well dumbasses, that is nature telling you something, eat!! Why would you go 16 hrs straight with no food in your system, its a frikken recipe for disaster!! As for the natural guys, all power to ya, I respect that. But there comes a point when your body either has the right amount of chemicals to keep growing or it does not, period. All of these little tricks up your sleeve you think you have are smoke up your asses. I'm done with this bull****, keep listening to all of these talking parrots and "rep power" frikken joke. I'm done, ok you win, stay small retards
    People are fasting like this because a lot of science is behind it. It just flat works for some people. A lot of people had to get over the dogma of thinking they needed to feed every two hours. Most of these people are still taking in close to the same amount of nutrients and protein they did in the past, they are just doing it in a shorter time window.

    And like I said, a LOT of science is behind it. Does that mean you can't have success without doing IF? Of course not. It's a tool that happens to work well for some people. And if it's such a recipe for disaster why are so many big people doing it? Why are so many people talking about how much success they've had? Why is science saying a lot of principles behind it work?

    Has it ever occurred to you through reading all of this that YOU might see better results doing this? Or are you just always going to blindly follow what you read somewhere in Flex a long time ago?

  12. I almost feel sorry for you bro. If you don't like it don't do it. In no way do I think or claim to be Arnold. My intention was to show you that people are capable of using the Lean Gains protocol to attain successful results. (or be over 200lbs is how you phrased it I believe) I suppose I supplied you with a visual aid as my profession of being an Art Teacher has taught me that certain individuals are better stimulated with imagery. Good luck with whatever goal you are trying to achieve through this thread.
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by TurningGreen View Post
    I almost feel sorry for you bro. If you don't like it don't do it. In no way do I think or claim to be Arnold. My intention was to show you that people are capable of using the Lean Gains protocol to attain successful results. (or be over 200lbs is how you phrased it I believe) I suppose I supplied you with a visual aid as my profession of being an Art Teacher has taught me that certain individuals are better stimulated with imagery. Good luck with whatever goal you are trying to achieve through this thread.
    my only goal with this thread was to save anybody from trying this garbage of a diet.

    on your physique, nice work...seriously

  14. quick question....if u say ur insulin sensitivity is messed up if you get hungry every 3 hours or so, how do you correct it? cuz thats how I am and thats why I am reluctant to try lean gains because i hate starving lol, i love hte idea of the huge PWO meals and what not but not starving, I need to be ale to focus at school this upcomin semester

  15. I don't get what the argument is.

    weight is slightly decreasing, while looking alot leaner.

    i dont see where catabolism fits into the equation. if all this muscle is falling off, and catabolism is certain, how come the scale isn't registering it? for those remedial dieters, ill explain more clearly. Muscle has weight. Fat has weight. If muscle is being lost , weight must change. But, what if some how the amount of muscle being lost is equal to the amount of fat gained? How am i looking leaner, while gaining fat and losing muscle, and all the while the scale is only moving slightly?

    If your theory is true that I am leaner but also losing muscle, it would follow that i would see significant changes in weight. Since your subtracting both the weight of the fat, and muscle.

    IF I am losing muscle, I am certain it is less than would be on a standard calorie deficit diet- purely looking at the numbers.
    For me, the action IS the juice.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    People are fasting like this because a lot of science is behind it. It just flat works for some people. A lot of people had to get over the dogma of thinking they needed to feed every two hours. Most of these people are still taking in close to the same amount of nutrients and protein they did in the past, they are just doing it in a shorter time window.

    And like I said, a LOT of science is behind it. Does that mean you can't have success without doing IF? Of course not. It's a tool that happens to work well for some people. And if it's such a recipe for disaster why are so many big people doing it? Why are so many people talking about how much success they've had? Why is science saying a lot of principles behind it work?

    Has it ever occurred to you through reading all of this that YOU might see better results doing this? Or are you just always going to blindly follow what you read somewhere in Flex a long time ago?
    It all comes down to pride.

    No one wants to come to the knowledge that perhaps they've been doing ''the wrong thing'' for so many years.

    The difference is, the IF crowd has tried both styles of dieting and prefers IF. most of the 6 meal a day dieters have never tried IF, yet, prefer 6 meals.
    For me, the action IS the juice.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by soontobbeast View Post
    It all comes down to pride.

    No one wants to come to the knowledge that perhaps they've been doing ''the wrong thing'' for so many years.

    The difference is, the IF crowd has tried both styles of dieting and prefers IF. most of the 6 meal a day dieters have never tried IF, yet, prefer 6 meals.

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  18. Quote Originally Posted by CoorsLight126 View Post
    my only goal with this thread was to save anybody from trying this garbage of a diet.

    on your physique, nice work...seriously
    So you just ignore stuff like this?


    "Behavioural and Metabolic Research Unit, School of Human Kinetics, University of Ottawa, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada.

    Abstract

    There have been reports of an inverse relationship between meal frequency (MF) and adiposity. It has been postulated that this may be explained by favourable effects of increased MF on appetite control and possibly on gut peptides as well. The main goal of the present study was to investigate whether using a high MF could lead to a greater weight loss than that obtained with a low MF under conditions of similar energy restriction. Subjects were randomised into two treatment arms (high MF = 3 meals+3 snacks/d or low MF = 3 meals/d) and subjected to the same dietary energy restriction of - 2931 kJ/d for 8 weeks. Sixteen obese adults (n 8 women and 8 men; age 34.6 (sd 9.5); BMI 37.1 (sd 4.5) kg/m2) completed the study. Overall, there was a 4.7 % decrease in body weight (P < 0.01); similarly, significant decreases were noted in fat mass ( - 3.1 (sd 2.9) kg; P < 0.01), lean body mass ( - 2.0 (sd 3.1) kg; P < 0.05) and BMI ( - 1.7 (sd 0.8) kg/m2; P < 0.01). However, there were NS differences between the low- and high-MF groups for adiposity indices, appetite measurements or gut peptides (peptide YY and ghrelin) either before or after the intervention. We conclude that increasing MF does not promote greater body weight loss under the conditions described in the present study."

    Your problem is you keep talking about how garbage of a diet it is with nothing to back it up. Seriously, not a thing other than your word that it sucks. And then you act shocked that no one is taking you seriously.

  19. it intermittent fasting can i sip on BCAA's in the 16 hour time period?
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    it intermittent fasting can i sip on BCAA's in the 16 hour time period?
    Yeah, some people do this. The bigger question would probably be the necessity. In my experience it hasn't changed much in the least bit. The idea that the body goes into some ravaging muscle eating mode during this span isn't backed up by any real science.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    Your problem is you keep talking about how garbage of a diet it is with nothing to back it up. Seriously, not a thing other than your word that it sucks. And then you act shocked that no one is taking you seriously.
    honestly his own statement makes it funnier

    Quote Originally Posted by CoorsLight126 View Post
    All you need to do is eat clean and adjust your calories to fall within the right range. As for making any gains on a fast, everyone likes to think that what they are doing is the best but anyone who has ever made serious gains has fueled their body with lots of food and nutrients-more than they burn.
    I'm not sure why he thinks you can't eat clean, adjust your calories to fall in the right range and fuel your body with lots of food and nutrients in 8 hours instead of 12-13.

  22. I think what mr coors lite is saying, or trying to, is that this diet has not been adopted by the competitive bodybuilding crowd who have successfully stepped on stage year after year.
    I realize Berkhan has clients that compete but they are small in numbers compared to the general competitive population.

    Either way doesn't mean it's not another way to skin the fat.... I mean cat.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    I think what mr coors lite is saying, or trying to, is that this diet has not been adopted by the competitive bodybuilding crowd who have successfully stepped on stage year after year.
    you left out retards and morons in there, as he's used that quite a few times as well.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    I think what mr coors lite is saying, or trying to, is that this diet has not been adopted by the competitive bodybuilding crowd who have successfully stepped on stage year after year.
    I realize Berkhan has clients that compete but they are small in numbers compared to the general competitive population.

    Either way doesn't mean it's not another way to skin the fat.... I mean cat.
    Comparing the average joe with the competitive bodybuilding crowd is about as stupid as an endeavor as one could do. Most of us have next to nothing in common with competitive bodybuilders.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    Comparing the average joe with the competitive bodybuilding crowd is about as stupid as an endeavor as one could do. Most of us have next to nothing in common with competitive bodybuilders.
    Whaaaa? Pretty sure lots of guys here compete. And we have a lot in common.
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  26. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    you left out retards and morons in there, as he's used that quite a few times as well.
    He's probably drunk. Would take quite a few coors though.
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  27. I dont see anything wrong with IF... I do know it didnt work for me. with the exact same caloric intake (and I tried eating the exact same foods) I started to gain weight doing IF... as soon as I went back to regular eating schedule I was back to normal..

    dont know how to explain it and any response of that I was taking in more caloris is just not true. same EXACT foods, same EXACT amounts.

    But if IF works for you, no reason NOT to do it. I actually was a huge fan of it, I loved the eating schedule... just wish I didnt start getting pudgy while doing it.
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by seccsi View Post
    Comparing the average joe with the competitive bodybuilding crowd is about as stupid as an endeavor as one could do. Most of us have next to nothing in common with competitive bodybuilders.
    Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    Whaaaa? Pretty sure lots of guys here compete. And we have a lot in common.
    I'm with Royd on this one. But at the same time, I'd have no desire to be a ripped 260lbs regardless of whether I competed or not. I prefer to actually be able to wear real clothes, thanks.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I'm with Royd on this one. But at the same time, I'd have no desire to be a ripped 260lbs regardless of whether I competed or not. I prefer to actually be able to wear real clothes, thanks.
    Well the skinny jeans/shorts fad has already ruined that for anyone that squats.
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    Whaaaa? Pretty sure lots of guys here compete. And we have a lot in common.
    I wasn't trying to say we didn't have guys that competed, but comparing what Jay Cutler does with the majority of the users on here isn't really wise. The vast majority of users on here would be on much less than Cutler, not have a dietician, not have training be their only job, etc. I was just pointing out that the "Mr. Olympia doesn't do IF" argument doesn't hold a lot of water.
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