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  1. Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    Perhaps...or maybe they have poor digestive health from years of eating processed foods, lack of fiber, and lack of activity.
    Bingo Amigo!

    A good cleanse (not some commercial package but using fruits and veggies) with a good probiotic can get someone up and running quickly.

    Probiotics are welll over-looked. I would buy a probiotic before any other supplement on the market as a begginer.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Torobestia View Post
    Yeah, strawberries are also inherently inflammatory ... if you have an allergy to it. That is all this paper says. Next.
    Did you read more than the first sentence? This was not done in Celiac patients.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys

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  3. Quote Originally Posted by StakedCop View Post
    What's your take on it?
    My take is if somebody suspects they may have celiac disease or even just a gluten allergy, they should find a physician and get tested. All of those foods listed don't apply to me, and probably a lot of people on a bodybuilding website, since the only grain I consume is oatmeal. It's like writing an article on a bodybuilding website about how eating pizza, smothered with ice cream and nacho cheese sauce, is bad for you.

    That said, using vague terms like inflammatory and poison without data to back it up is in my opinion wrong. Lifting weights is inflammatory. Am I going to stop? Not likely. Gluten allergy is a very real and serious issue, but, again in my opinion, has been taken too far. Many foods that contain gluten have been the staple food of civilizations for centuries. It just seems to me to be an article that belongs more on a website that promotes veganism and cleanses. All of that is just my two cents though and as always, if it works for you, then it works for you and I'm not going to tell somebody not to do something.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Aleksandar37 View Post
    My take is if somebody suspects they may have celiac disease or even just a gluten allergy, they should find a physician and get tested. All of those foods listed don't apply to me, and probably a lot of people on a bodybuilding website, since the only grain I consume is oatmeal. It's like writing an article on a bodybuilding website about how eating pizza, smothered with ice cream and nacho cheese sauce, is bad for you.

    That said, using vague terms like inflammatory and poison without data to back it up is in my opinion wrong. Lifting weights is inflammatory. Am I going to stop? Not likely. Gluten allergy is a very real and serious issue, but, again in my opinion, has been taken too far. Many foods that contain gluten have been the staple food of civilizations for centuries. It just seems to me to be an article that belongs more on a website that promotes veganism and cleanses. All of that is just my two cents though and as always, if it works for you, then it works for you and I'm not going to tell somebody not to do something.
    Systemic inflammation from foods and local inflammation from training are two different processes and should not be used interchangeably. Although it seems like Celiac/gluten intolerance is the new hot button, you cannot use the fact that many of these foods have been staple foods to support your cause. Evolution is a slow process and centuries is not nearly long enough for the body to adapt. Hell, even a few millennia is just a mere blip on a large scale.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


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  6. I always miss these threads and find them when they are 4+ pages long

    Anyway Subbed for future contribution, I'm at work now but when I get home I will add to the conversation.
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    "The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance." - Socrates

  7. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Systemic inflammation from foods and local inflammation from training are two different processes and should not be used interchangeably. Although it seems like Celiac/gluten intolerance is the new hot button, you cannot use the fact that many of these foods have been staple foods to support your cause. Evolution is a slow process and centuries is not nearly long enough for the body to adapt. Hell, even a few millennia is just a mere blip on a large scale.
    I don't have a cause and am fully aware how evolution works. I used the word "inflammation" interchangeably to prove my point though. It's a vague term. We're on the same side here

    It's good to educate people on the dangers or problems of consuming certain things, but when people write articles or posts (NOT YOU!) that imply that others are stupid for continuing to eat those items, THAT pisses me off and makes me post.

    All I know is that if I walked into a physician or nutritionist's office and showed them a list of what I was putting into my body, gluten would probably not be in their top three concerns.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Aleksandar37 View Post
    My take is if somebody suspects they may have celiac disease or even just a gluten allergy, they should find a physician and get tested. All of those foods listed don't apply to me, and probably a lot of people on a bodybuilding website, since the only grain I consume is oatmeal. It's like writing an article on a bodybuilding website about how eating pizza, smothered with ice cream and nacho cheese sauce, is bad for you.

    That said, using vague terms like inflammatory and poison without data to back it up is in my opinion wrong. Lifting weights is inflammatory. Am I going to stop? Not likely. Gluten allergy is a very real and serious issue, but, again in my opinion, has been taken too far. Many foods that contain gluten have been the staple food of civilizations for centuries. It just seems to me to be an article that belongs more on a website that promotes veganism and cleanses. All of that is just my two cents though and as always, if it works for you, then it works for you and I'm not going to tell somebody not to do something.
    Gluten is not the only food allergy.

    Peanut allergy can kill someone on the spot.

    people are allergic no matter where the gluten originates it's gluten just like a peanut is a peanut.

    Dairy allergies are also huge. I have a buddy allergic to organes. He loves them but once he narrowed it down, he eliminated it.

    Take home message is if your body continually rejects something stop eating not matter how good it tastes. If you keep eating and it keeps harming you, you are an addict.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Aleksandar37 View Post
    I don't have a cause and am fully aware how evolution works. I used the word "inflammation" interchangeably to prove my point though. It's a vague term. We're on the same side here

    It's good to educate people on the dangers or problems of consuming certain things, but when people write articles or posts (NOT YOU!) that imply that others are stupid for continuing to eat those items, THAT pisses me off and makes me post.

    All I know is that if I walked into a physician or nutritionist's office and showed them a list of what I was putting into my body, gluten would probably not be in their top three concerns.
    I agree. Education is key. Learn the basics and never be fooled. If we learned Nutrition and how our bodies reacted to it many supplement companies would be out of money. If you don't understand nutrition, you will be fooled continously by supplement companies and you will continue to use a supplement that is inactive in your body.

    Probably not a top concern but gluten would probably be eliminated by association by thier top concerns.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Aleksandar37 View Post
    I don't have a cause and am fully aware how evolution works. I used the word "inflammation" interchangeably to prove my point though. It's a vague term. We're on the same side here

    It's good to educate people on the dangers or problems of consuming certain things, but when people write articles or posts (NOT YOU!) that imply that others are stupid for continuing to eat those items, THAT pisses me off and makes me post.

    All I know is that if I walked into a physician or nutritionist's office and showed them a list of what I was putting into my body, gluten would probably not be in their top three concerns.
    I agree on the article. Anyone referencing T-nation should be craddled like a bady and tought to walk again.

  11. I guess T-Nation is the only place that has articles about living gluten free.....


    This thread has gotten out of hand. You can argue to the cows come home, but there is no point since no one will change there mind on either side of the matter.

  12. alright,gluten is terrible huh,guys we make bread that is gluten free and bread that has gluten.its up to the consumer to buy what they want.we have been eating gluten for thousands of years,it may cause inflamation but,it makes a damn good sandwich.u guys have a choice like everyone else,but,people want change because u demand it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    I guess T-Nation is the only place that has articles about living gluten free.....


    This thread has gotten out of hand. You can argue to the cows come home, but there is no point since no one will change there mind on either side of the matter.


    I wish I would have caught this tread earlier... wow.
    Where to start?

    First the above post. "no point" ?!? If the exchange of information is hurting some peoples feelings then feel free to go watch hulu or something. Maybe E channel has a breaking news story about which "hot" celeb is cheating on who this time.

    The point of threads like this is the dispersion of information, we are all here for the goal of improving ourselves in some way. (or at least should be) I for one will say because of AM, particularly a conversation I saw between Anton and Rodja, have been looking into the whole Paleo concept and love it.

    So on that note thanks guys for pioneering that idea on this form and at least giving people the option of knowing this is out there. There seems to be a ton of evidence that supports the concept for anybody what wants to take the time to do some homework. I'm currently doing a ton of research before I open my mouth and give an opinion.

    The most successful people are those who realize they may not know the the best way and are at least open enough to discuss options they weren't previously aware of. Only then can you make a decision of whats really best for you. That apply's to everything. Sports, body building, business, life, whatever.


    Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    it is quite a ripoff. i spend all my money on food so thats how i afford it. plus got no kids to take care of lol
    Your body is pretty worth while investment...
    Good rule of thumb; Anybody who isn't taking their health seriously, will one day be wishing they did.


    Quote Originally Posted by StakedCop View Post
    Because crackers are high in gluten?
    That is hysterical.

    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Well now everything makes sense. You saw a female which you thought was fat who was the "head of some government for the education for obesity". I guess you think because the person may be slightly overweight in your eyes they can not teach or learn a certain subject. Yeah, that makes sense. So when you go to a restaurant, do check to make sure the cook is fat?. Because really if the cook isn't fat, he must not know enough about food to prepare your meal right?
    Seriously?!?!? Yes it is completely wrong that fat people shouldn't be giving health advice. haha Let's profile people! It's fun! Not for the faint of heart either... But odd's are.

    If you're in jail your not a roll model
    If you're a virgin you shouldn't be giving sex advice
    If you're smelly don't give hygiene advice
    If you're fat don't give health advice

    In our cuddly, politically correct, "everybody wins" society people are afraid to say the truth.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/173797-one-small-step.html Getting my ass beat and logging it.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by anabolicRyan1 View Post
    I wish I would have caught this tread earlier... wow.
    Where to start?


    The most successful people are those who realize they may not know the the best way and are at least open enough to discuss options they weren't previously aware of. Only then can you make a decision of whats really best for you. That apply's to everything. Sports, body building, business, life, whatever.
    Not if what they are doing is working for them. Then there is no reason to question it. Why change whats working for you?.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Not if what they are doing is working for them. Then there is no reason to question it. Why change whats working for you?.
    ok... dude.

    I'm going to treat that argument as politely as I can.

    "If it's not broke, don't fix it" is an argument that really doesn't need much examination.

    As previously stated, I would like to imagine we are all here for a similar goal. To gain knowledge about many aspects of training and nutrition. In order to gain knowledge, you can't possess all of it already.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/173797-one-small-step.html Getting my ass beat and logging it.

  16. What are some gluten free carbs sources? Red potatoes? Bc ive always wanted to try this out more but i enjoy getting some carbs in my diet. Where does milk fall here? interesting stuff

  17. Quote Originally Posted by SweetLou321 View Post
    What are some gluten free carbs sources? Red potatoes? Bc ive always wanted to try this out more but i enjoy getting some carbs in my diet. Where does milk fall here? interesting stuff
    Rice and potatoes. Milk is an individual thing since some are adjusted to it.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  18. What culture of people live longer with less disease than anyone else? Eat that way

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Rice and potatoes. Milk is an individual thing since some are adjusted to it.
    Quinoa as well

  20. My only reservation on quinoa is its high acidity.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  21. Alright so if gluten is "poison" because some people are intolerant to it, then by the same logic is lactose also "poison"? It seems to me that to call something poison is a little harsh when in fact, it isn't to most people out there. Some people are deathly allergic to bee stings but you also have others purposefully getting stung for health reasons. I think that if the paleo diet/lifestyle works for you, great!, but the attitude of "I'm better than you because of this" seems a bit overboard. Maybe that's not how it was meant to come across in some of the posts, but that is an undertone that stuck out to me. Maybe I can have the attitude of "I'm better than you because my body can handle gluten and yours can't." No, just joking! I'm glad it works for some but for me (I married the farmers daughter), it's a no-go.
    Jeremiah 29:11-14

  22. Quote Originally Posted by lukehayd View Post
    Alright so if gluten is "poison" because some people are intolerant to it, then by the same logic is lactose also "poison"? It seems to me that to call something poison is a little harsh when in fact, it isn't to most people out there. Some people are deathly allergic to bee stings but you also have others purposefully getting stung for health reasons. I think that if the paleo diet/lifestyle works for you, great!, but the attitude of "I'm better than you because of this" seems a bit overboard. Maybe that's not how it was meant to come across in some of the posts, but that is an undertone that stuck out to me. Maybe I can have the attitude of "I'm better than you because my body can handle gluten and yours can't." No, just joking! I'm glad it works for some but for me (I married the farmers daughter), it's a no-go.
    But if you have never tried it how can you say it's not for your? I was just like you until I gave it a try and it changed everytthing. Lost like 4% body fat and started leanin up biiig time.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Orangatang View Post
    But if you have never tried it how can you say it's not for your? I was just like you until I gave it a try and it changed everytthing. Lost like 4% body fat and started leanin up biiig time.
    You're right, I have not tried it but I totally love my oat/almond bread and oatmeal waaaaay to much to give up. Lol!
    Jeremiah 29:11-14

  24. When I first heard about Paleo, I honestly thought it was a crock of ****. I had been so indoctrinated to eating oats and I refused to try it. However, the more I read about the actual concepts and the proper ways to do it, I decided to give it a real try and not for just the few weeks before cutting weight.

    Needless to say, I can't imagine eating any other way now.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  25. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    When I first heard about Paleo, I honestly thought it was a crock of ****. I had been so indoctrinated to eating oats and I refused to try it. However, the more I read about the actual concepts and the proper ways to do it, I decided to give it a real try and not for just the few weeks before cutting weight.

    Needless to say, I can't imagine eating any other way now.
    I could write the exact same post. Rodja took the words outta my mouth lol
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