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  1. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Well now everything makes sense. You saw a female which you thought was fat who was the "head of some government for the education for obesity". I guess you think because the person may be slightly overweight in your eyes they can not teach or learn a certain subject. Yeah, that makes sense. So when you go to a restaurant, do check to make sure the cook is fat?. Because really if the cook isn't fat, he must not know enough about food to prepare your meal right?
    I'm really trying to make sense of this....


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Potatoes, yes, but corn, absolutely not. It is a highly GE and practically devoid of any source of nutrition or alkalinity.
    the good corn particulary from Mexico where I get my avocados... not the corn used for corn syrup or any other government project...
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    What? Where are you getting this information?
    It's obvious..

    There are some proactive school districts (always the wealthy educated districts) on the east coast particulary Washington DC and the wealthier Cities in Virgina surrounding DC.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    oh god dont start another "show me the clinical study!" discussion
    But why would I believe some random person's opinion on T-Nation? Calling someting poison seems a bit harsh without actual data backing it up. I will give them credit for being one of the few articles that isn't a commercial for some problem that they just happen to make a product for.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Aleksandar37 View Post
    But why would I believe some random person's opinion on T-Nation? Calling someting poison seems a bit harsh without actual data backing it up. I will give them credit for being one of the few articles that isn't a commercial for some problem that they just happen to make a product for.
    What's your take on it?


  6. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    How is that too many eggs? Eggs are natures perfect protein and if your gripe is the cholesterol content, then you need to do some major research regarding serum cholesterol.

    I have been one of the larger Paleo/Primal proponents on this board for a long time and most simply are too ingrained (no pun intended) with the "BB'ing norms" regarding nutrition to even give it a chance.
    My post had nothing to do with cholesterol... and I agree with what you're saying about eggs being the perfect protien. Maybe I mis-worded what i was thinking...

    Imo, more meat should/could be in his diet.

    Eggs are great, I just dont recommend the majority of your meals consisting of them.
    Quote Originally Posted by alwaysgaining View Post
    I've also done fasting and doseing and felt grealt anabolicness , deffint hunger but I'm stronger than that keep full and vascular and strength gose up
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/177245-swollen87s-training-log.html

  7. I've actually noticed a lot of things while going on Paleo style/non grain, gluten, diary.

    I'm not bloated anymore
    I don't have crackling joints
    I'm more vascular
    I'm eating WAY more
    I feel "cleaner", oddly seeing i'm eating like 180g fat, 260g protein..
    I do a modified IF. I eat lunch, then a HUGE dinner. Imagine, 120g fat, and 200g protein.
    I've lost weight
    I also have a umbilical hernia. when I eat too much my intestines swell and it usually feels like it's coming out. Since eating full on fat/meat i've not had this problem.
    I noticed when I ate curry, which has cornstarch and sugar in it I noticed sharp pain near my intestinal entrance. like side pain. About 1hr after eating it. And I felt flush.
    After going home and eating about 200g of almonds I felt better.


    Paleo is REALLY hard if you live in Japan and your future wife is Japanese, who believes in eating white rice as a meal...her breakfast is usually a donut (well I call it a donut, usually bread with chocolate filling, custard filing, or sugar coating.. or all...).
    She's not "fat" but definitely skinny fat. She'll kill me if she read this.. haha.

    But yea, all you ppl who are hating the paleo diet just give it a try for 30 days then see how you feel. You don't have to give up your carbs, just scale up your fats/protein. Or replace all your grains with yams/sweet potatoes, or fruits.

    I'm no preacher, what you do is really up to you, but yea to me, if you eating the grains, sugars, whatever and feeling and looking great, then just keep doing it.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    sure:

    8am) 4-5 eggs with 1 whole avocado 1 whole tomato

    11am) 5-6 hardboiled eggs, 1 cup raw broccoli, 1 cup baby carrots

    1pm) 1 can wild alaskan salmon (7.5 oz), 2 servings spinach, 1 cup raw broccoli, 1 cup baby carrots

    4pm) 4 hardboiled eggs, fresh fruit salad

    preworkout and postworkout ill have a little fruit

    workout

    9pm) 1 pound ground bison scrambled with 1 whole avocado, 1 whole tomato, 3-4 eggs.

    throughout the day i snack on raw almonds

    And all the arachadonic acid fond in the egg yolk is not inflammatory?

    And, unless you are getting these from local free range farmers, all the omega-6 fatty acid content in the eggs is very inflammatory too.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    How is that too many eggs? Eggs are natures perfect protein and if your gripe is the cholesterol content, then you need to do some major research regarding serum cholesterol.
    I'm in agreement on the cholesterol issue. We can all thank Dr. Keys and his fraudulent study back in the 50's for some of the health problems and many of the perceptions in nutrition we now face and are trying to correct today.
    You (as in the majority of AM, not you rodja personally) may not know this, but Dr. Keys suggestions about limiting fats and cholesterol were actually turned down by the FDA 5 years in a row. The FDA only adopted them when Keys himself joined the board.

    Now, onto the topic of eggs.

    The SOURCE is just as important as the food. Eggs bought in the supermarket are much different from eggs bought from a local cage free farmer.

    Supermarket eggs can be left standing up to 60 days.
    Mass produced eggs are from chickens fed a CORN diet. And we all know how harmful corn oil is.
    Even your typical "free range/cage free" eggs are not cage free. All it takes to be called "cage free" is a 6" door opening in the cage and a small (about 3 square foot - if memory serves me) area of pen space per 100 chickens.
    That's hardly cage free.

    My family raised chickens when I was a child for the eggs. We had about 6 and they roamed the yard freely. There is a HUGE difference between the taste and consistency of those eggs vs. the ones in the store labeled "cage free".

    Summary:
    Locally grown cage free eggs - eat all you want.
    Mass produced and supermarket cage free eggs - be wary.

    Br

  10. Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    I'm in agreement on the cholesterol issue. We can all thank Dr. Keys and his fraudulent study back in the 50's for some of the health problems and many of the perceptions in nutrition we now face and are trying to correct today.
    You (as in the majority of AM, not you rodja personally) may not know this, but Dr. Keys suggestions about limiting fats and cholesterol were actually turned down by the FDA 5 years in a row. The FDA only adopted them when Keys himself joined the board.

    Now, onto the topic of eggs.

    The SOURCE is just as important as the food. Eggs bought in the supermarket are much different from eggs bought from a local cage free farmer.

    Supermarket eggs can be left standing up to 60 days.
    Mass produced eggs are from chickens fed a CORN diet. And we all know how harmful corn oil is.
    Even your typical "free range/cage free" eggs are not cage free. All it takes to be called "cage free" is a 6" door opening in the cage and a small (about 3 square foot - if memory serves me) area of pen space per 100 chickens.
    That's hardly cage free.

    My family raised chickens when I was a child for the eggs. We had about 6 and they roamed the yard freely. There is a HUGE difference between the taste and consistency of those eggs vs. the ones in the store labeled "cage free".

    Summary:
    Locally grown cage free eggs - eat all you want.
    Mass produced and supermarket cage free eggs - be wary.

    Br
    YES! Reps (as soon as I can do it again)
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  11. This thread has actually gotten me wondering about something. This is just me thinking out loud. But it's entirely possible when so many people complain about being "carb sensitive" and that they can't lose weight unless they really really restrict their carb intake. IMO it's entirely possible (not in ALL cases) that really it has nothing to do with them being "carb sensitive" it's the fact that they are sensitive to gluten not carbs. Because in my observation 99 percent of the time when guys add clean carbs into their diet, it's something with gluten in it like oatmeal.

    I would be willing to bet if they kept their carb intake the same, but changed those carbs from something non wheat/gluten that they would be very surprised how many carbs they eat and still maintain their leanness.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by MakaveliThaDon View Post
    This thread has actually gotten me wondering about something. This is just me thinking out loud. But it's entirely possible when so many people complain about being "carb sensitive" and that they can't lose weight unless they really really restrict their carb intake. IMO it's entirely possible (not in ALL cases) that really it has nothing to do with them being "carb sensitive" it's the fact that they are sensitive to gluten not carbs. Because in my observation 99 percent of the time when guys add clean carbs into their diet, it's something with gluten in it like oatmeal.

    I would be willing to bet if they kept their carb intake the same, but changed those carbs from something non wheat/gluten that they would be very surprised how many carbs they eat and still maintain their leanness.
    I'm thinking somewhat of the same. So i'm testing it out. 12 week cut first (summer, my wedding). Then i'm going to try to add in some non gluten, grain carbs. Sweet potatoes and some fruit then see how I do.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    So even in that opinion article, it doesn't hazard a guess as to what % of people have a gluten allergy, much less show any actual studies with numbers. Why do you think it actually affects any significant % of people?
    well think of all the people who are "carb sensitive" and bloat and feel ****ty after most carb meals, and gain a ton of weight throughout the day with huge fluctuations.

    I would say thos are the people who are gluten intolerant... to an extent but not fully celiac.

    when i eat carbs i always keep them gluten free, and high fiber. no stomach issues here.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by ssbackwards View Post
    well think of all the people who are "carb sensitive" and bloat and feel ****ty after most carb meals, and gain a ton of weight throughout the day with huge fluctuations.

    I would say thos are the people who are gluten intolerant... to an extent but not fully celiac.

    .
    Perhaps...or maybe they have poor digestive health from years of eating processed foods, lack of fiber, and lack of activity.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    Perhaps...or maybe they have poor digestive health from years of eating processed foods, lack of fiber, and lack of activity.
    ... yep that too. lol

  16. Quote Originally Posted by ZiR RED View Post
    Perhaps...or maybe they have poor digestive health from years of eating processed foods, lack of fiber, and lack of activity.
    Bingo Amigo!

    A good cleanse (not some commercial package but using fruits and veggies) with a good probiotic can get someone up and running quickly.

    Probiotics are welll over-looked. I would buy a probiotic before any other supplement on the market as a begginer.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Torobestia View Post
    Yeah, strawberries are also inherently inflammatory ... if you have an allergy to it. That is all this paper says. Next.
    Did you read more than the first sentence? This was not done in Celiac patients.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  18. Quote Originally Posted by StakedCop View Post
    What's your take on it?
    My take is if somebody suspects they may have celiac disease or even just a gluten allergy, they should find a physician and get tested. All of those foods listed don't apply to me, and probably a lot of people on a bodybuilding website, since the only grain I consume is oatmeal. It's like writing an article on a bodybuilding website about how eating pizza, smothered with ice cream and nacho cheese sauce, is bad for you.

    That said, using vague terms like inflammatory and poison without data to back it up is in my opinion wrong. Lifting weights is inflammatory. Am I going to stop? Not likely. Gluten allergy is a very real and serious issue, but, again in my opinion, has been taken too far. Many foods that contain gluten have been the staple food of civilizations for centuries. It just seems to me to be an article that belongs more on a website that promotes veganism and cleanses. All of that is just my two cents though and as always, if it works for you, then it works for you and I'm not going to tell somebody not to do something.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Aleksandar37 View Post
    My take is if somebody suspects they may have celiac disease or even just a gluten allergy, they should find a physician and get tested. All of those foods listed don't apply to me, and probably a lot of people on a bodybuilding website, since the only grain I consume is oatmeal. It's like writing an article on a bodybuilding website about how eating pizza, smothered with ice cream and nacho cheese sauce, is bad for you.

    That said, using vague terms like inflammatory and poison without data to back it up is in my opinion wrong. Lifting weights is inflammatory. Am I going to stop? Not likely. Gluten allergy is a very real and serious issue, but, again in my opinion, has been taken too far. Many foods that contain gluten have been the staple food of civilizations for centuries. It just seems to me to be an article that belongs more on a website that promotes veganism and cleanses. All of that is just my two cents though and as always, if it works for you, then it works for you and I'm not going to tell somebody not to do something.
    Systemic inflammation from foods and local inflammation from training are two different processes and should not be used interchangeably. Although it seems like Celiac/gluten intolerance is the new hot button, you cannot use the fact that many of these foods have been staple foods to support your cause. Evolution is a slow process and centuries is not nearly long enough for the body to adapt. Hell, even a few millennia is just a mere blip on a large scale.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


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  21. I always miss these threads and find them when they are 4+ pages long

    Anyway Subbed for future contribution, I'm at work now but when I get home I will add to the conversation.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Systemic inflammation from foods and local inflammation from training are two different processes and should not be used interchangeably. Although it seems like Celiac/gluten intolerance is the new hot button, you cannot use the fact that many of these foods have been staple foods to support your cause. Evolution is a slow process and centuries is not nearly long enough for the body to adapt. Hell, even a few millennia is just a mere blip on a large scale.
    I don't have a cause and am fully aware how evolution works. I used the word "inflammation" interchangeably to prove my point though. It's a vague term. We're on the same side here

    It's good to educate people on the dangers or problems of consuming certain things, but when people write articles or posts (NOT YOU!) that imply that others are stupid for continuing to eat those items, THAT pisses me off and makes me post.

    All I know is that if I walked into a physician or nutritionist's office and showed them a list of what I was putting into my body, gluten would probably not be in their top three concerns.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Aleksandar37 View Post
    My take is if somebody suspects they may have celiac disease or even just a gluten allergy, they should find a physician and get tested. All of those foods listed don't apply to me, and probably a lot of people on a bodybuilding website, since the only grain I consume is oatmeal. It's like writing an article on a bodybuilding website about how eating pizza, smothered with ice cream and nacho cheese sauce, is bad for you.

    That said, using vague terms like inflammatory and poison without data to back it up is in my opinion wrong. Lifting weights is inflammatory. Am I going to stop? Not likely. Gluten allergy is a very real and serious issue, but, again in my opinion, has been taken too far. Many foods that contain gluten have been the staple food of civilizations for centuries. It just seems to me to be an article that belongs more on a website that promotes veganism and cleanses. All of that is just my two cents though and as always, if it works for you, then it works for you and I'm not going to tell somebody not to do something.
    Gluten is not the only food allergy.

    Peanut allergy can kill someone on the spot.

    people are allergic no matter where the gluten originates it's gluten just like a peanut is a peanut.

    Dairy allergies are also huge. I have a buddy allergic to organes. He loves them but once he narrowed it down, he eliminated it.

    Take home message is if your body continually rejects something stop eating not matter how good it tastes. If you keep eating and it keeps harming you, you are an addict.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Aleksandar37 View Post
    I don't have a cause and am fully aware how evolution works. I used the word "inflammation" interchangeably to prove my point though. It's a vague term. We're on the same side here

    It's good to educate people on the dangers or problems of consuming certain things, but when people write articles or posts (NOT YOU!) that imply that others are stupid for continuing to eat those items, THAT pisses me off and makes me post.

    All I know is that if I walked into a physician or nutritionist's office and showed them a list of what I was putting into my body, gluten would probably not be in their top three concerns.
    I agree. Education is key. Learn the basics and never be fooled. If we learned Nutrition and how our bodies reacted to it many supplement companies would be out of money. If you don't understand nutrition, you will be fooled continously by supplement companies and you will continue to use a supplement that is inactive in your body.

    Probably not a top concern but gluten would probably be eliminated by association by thier top concerns.

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Aleksandar37 View Post
    I don't have a cause and am fully aware how evolution works. I used the word "inflammation" interchangeably to prove my point though. It's a vague term. We're on the same side here

    It's good to educate people on the dangers or problems of consuming certain things, but when people write articles or posts (NOT YOU!) that imply that others are stupid for continuing to eat those items, THAT pisses me off and makes me post.

    All I know is that if I walked into a physician or nutritionist's office and showed them a list of what I was putting into my body, gluten would probably not be in their top three concerns.
    I agree on the article. Anyone referencing T-nation should be craddled like a bady and tought to walk again.

  26. I guess T-Nation is the only place that has articles about living gluten free.....


    This thread has gotten out of hand. You can argue to the cows come home, but there is no point since no one will change there mind on either side of the matter.

  27. alright,gluten is terrible huh,guys we make bread that is gluten free and bread that has gluten.its up to the consumer to buy what they want.we have been eating gluten for thousands of years,it may cause inflamation but,it makes a damn good sandwich.u guys have a choice like everyone else,but,people want change because u demand it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    I guess T-Nation is the only place that has articles about living gluten free.....


    This thread has gotten out of hand. You can argue to the cows come home, but there is no point since no one will change there mind on either side of the matter.


    I wish I would have caught this tread earlier... wow.
    Where to start?

    First the above post. "no point" ?!? If the exchange of information is hurting some peoples feelings then feel free to go watch hulu or something. Maybe E channel has a breaking news story about which "hot" celeb is cheating on who this time.

    The point of threads like this is the dispersion of information, we are all here for the goal of improving ourselves in some way. (or at least should be) I for one will say because of AM, particularly a conversation I saw between Anton and Rodja, have been looking into the whole Paleo concept and love it.

    So on that note thanks guys for pioneering that idea on this form and at least giving people the option of knowing this is out there. There seems to be a ton of evidence that supports the concept for anybody what wants to take the time to do some homework. I'm currently doing a ton of research before I open my mouth and give an opinion.

    The most successful people are those who realize they may not know the the best way and are at least open enough to discuss options they weren't previously aware of. Only then can you make a decision of whats really best for you. That apply's to everything. Sports, body building, business, life, whatever.


    Quote Originally Posted by AntonG42O View Post
    it is quite a ripoff. i spend all my money on food so thats how i afford it. plus got no kids to take care of lol
    Your body is pretty worth while investment...
    Good rule of thumb; Anybody who isn't taking their health seriously, will one day be wishing they did.


    Quote Originally Posted by StakedCop View Post
    Because crackers are high in gluten?
    That is hysterical.

    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Well now everything makes sense. You saw a female which you thought was fat who was the "head of some government for the education for obesity". I guess you think because the person may be slightly overweight in your eyes they can not teach or learn a certain subject. Yeah, that makes sense. So when you go to a restaurant, do check to make sure the cook is fat?. Because really if the cook isn't fat, he must not know enough about food to prepare your meal right?
    Seriously?!?!? Yes it is completely wrong that fat people shouldn't be giving health advice. haha Let's profile people! It's fun! Not for the faint of heart either... But odd's are.

    If you're in jail your not a roll model
    If you're a virgin you shouldn't be giving sex advice
    If you're smelly don't give hygiene advice
    If you're fat don't give health advice

    In our cuddly, politically correct, "everybody wins" society people are afraid to say the truth.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/173797-one-small-step.html Getting my ass beat and logging it.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by anabolicRyan1 View Post
    I wish I would have caught this tread earlier... wow.
    Where to start?


    The most successful people are those who realize they may not know the the best way and are at least open enough to discuss options they weren't previously aware of. Only then can you make a decision of whats really best for you. That apply's to everything. Sports, body building, business, life, whatever.
    Not if what they are doing is working for them. Then there is no reason to question it. Why change whats working for you?.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post
    Not if what they are doing is working for them. Then there is no reason to question it. Why change whats working for you?.
    ok... dude.

    I'm going to treat that argument as politely as I can.

    "If it's not broke, don't fix it" is an argument that really doesn't need much examination.

    As previously stated, I would like to imagine we are all here for a similar goal. To gain knowledge about many aspects of training and nutrition. In order to gain knowledge, you can't possess all of it already.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplements/173797-one-small-step.html Getting my ass beat and logging it.
  

  
 

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