12 good reasons a keto diet blows!!

[CoorsLight126]

For years and years I did what everyone else did when I tried to cut up. I cut out my carbs. And every year the exact same ****ing result!! Loss of size, sort of leaner but still not as hard as I wanted to be, total lack of energy and overall felt like **** and run down. Finally I got smart and on a real diet. So here are the reasons I think keto diets SUCK!!

1- Your normally eating xyz amount of carbs/cals all year. why would you want to cut out almost all of your carbs right away? The body does not like sudden change, and it never seems to react favorably.

2-Lets be honest, your normally eating 3,4,5 cheat meals/wk during a normal eating regimine, how many cals and extra fat do you think that is? Wouldn't it make more sense to remove the fat from your diet first and let the carbs continue to transport nutrients to the muscles and keep them strong and full?

3- When the carbs remain in the diet they make the muscles fuller and they push against your skin more, making your muscles "pop out" more.

4- Usually just eating clean and average daily carbs, if you knock out the fat, your body still goes outside the realm of whats immediately available to it and burns stored bodyfat. You dont need to go into ketosis or drop your carbs insanely low!! This is a last resort thing when pulling that final 2-3% bodyfat off matters, like for a competition or something.

5-If you stop getting "a pump" in the gym your carbs are too ****ing low. What, you think your going to go 10-12 wks in this condition and hold the same level of size and condition? Nope. Drop the carbs into ketosis and its a great way to look emaciated

6-Your brain operates on glycogen stores, I'm guessing most of you have a job? Good luck thinking at work when your in ketosis, or driving your car w/out wrecking it because your too stupid acting to stop at a red light. Sounds healthy huh?

7- Ketosis is the bodies survival mechanism, its not meant to be the first means of fat loss done deliberately

8- "You need fat to burn fat" ****ing overrated!! Try knocking out almost all of your fats for a month, and keeping your carbs at 300 grams/day, with 1-2 grams protein/lb. Come tell me how fast you get shredded in just 4 wks time!!!

9-Ok, you got it all figured out dont ya? 400 grams/day protein, 50 grams/day carbs, 100 grams/day fats right? ok, so your at 2700 calories a day. Perfect!! Now if you could be at 2700 calories/day and keep your blood sugar more stable, feel better, and be stronger, which do you think you would benefit from more? Also, which do you think you could stick to longer without having cheat meals?

10- If your doing everything right there is no reason to carb cycle. All this bull**** about "tricking your body" is nonsense. It's smarter than you are, you aren't tricking ****, actually your doing an excellent job at jacking up cortisol levels and giving yourself a softer look and losing weight at the same time.

11- Ever notice how you get to a point where you actually stop getting hungry on a carb depletion? Geez, maybe the metabolism is actually slowing down!!

12- I could take 2 people, give 1 of them only 100 grams/day protein, and 400 grams/day carbs, and give the other guy 400 grams/day protein, and only 100 grams/day carbs, and in 90% of scenarios that guy with only 100 grams/day of protein who kept his carbs will look better in the end. I could do this with 90% of anybody I train!! So no, the answer isn't always "just keep the protein super high" and you'll hold all of your muscle!! Actually, it gets to a point it binds your digestive tract and is actually worse for you.


So there is my argument. Keto diets ****ing blow. I understand everybody is different, but not everybody is so different that we all need to totally deplete carbohydrate intake to get fantastic results and get shredded. do we need to lower caloric intake? yes. Do we need to lower our carbs to some degree? Sure. But ketosis, and checking ourselves with keto sticks and all this nonsense? Retarded approach for 90% of people!!

[HondaV65]

I must say - you are on a tear tonight boss! Second myth-busting thread of the eve it appears.

I disagree about the carbs though ... I try to eat as primitively as I can and, since primitive man really didn't do a lot of farming - most of his sustenance came from animal meats and fats. Carbs are not "bad bad" - but they are a luxury of modern man that I think needs to be taken in moderation.

[RickRock13]

This is a good read and arguable to some. Effective or not, Carb cycling isn't for me anyways. Never sounded appealing to me

[schwellington]

wtf anyone who cheats 3, 4, or 5, times a week isnt dedicate-

i disagree whole heartedly im on low carbs (under 50) a day and my body loves it- if done properly its amazing, and if the body reacts well, everyones body is different dude, this is where you made your key mistake- your body might not react well, but mine sure as hell does- and if YOU are cheating that many times a week, well, either rededicate, or quit trying to be fit

[schwellington]

oh and fyi buddy, fatty acids etc, they can work just like glycogen, your arguement- does not have enough solid facts, alot of bro science


fail

[schwellington]

metabolic rate can be manipulated to by a simple change in diet

fail # 2


produce some studies- and i may reconsider, but uh, im loosing fat insanely fast, so

[soontobbeast]

i read all of your points .

I must say it's a great story.

none of it is based on fact, though.

these two are my favorite :


''6-Your brain operates on glycogen stores, I'm guessing most of you have a job? Good luck thinking at work when your in ketosis, or driving your car w/out wrecking it because your too stupid acting to stop at a red light. Sounds healthy huh?''

''8- "You need fat to burn fat" ****ing overrated!! Try knocking out almost all of your fats for a month, and keeping your carbs at 300 grams/day, with 1-2 grams protein/lb. Come tell me how fast you get shredded in just 4 wks time!!! ''

[schwellington]

FAIL

[JudoJosh]

WOW... so much misinformation in here.

I would suggest before you knock a keto diet actually go and read one of the keto books and not souce your info on the diets from various forum post.

1. Yes it does suck to cut them out all of a sudden but it is needed for the metabolic shift to occur

2. 3,4,5 cheat meals a week?? Are you kidding me. I think its safe to say this is the reason why it didnt work for you.

3. Keyword here is "LOOK" fuller. I think the ratio was for every gram of carb consumed you body holds onto 2.4-3g water. Not hard to see why you LOOK bigger.

4. Somewhat agree but it will depend on what you consider an "average" amount of carbs.

5. I have been keto several times and still had "pumps" but besides that getting "pumps" arent conclusive to growing or getting stronger.

6. Correct your brain and spinal cord use glucose and NEEDS glucose but carbs arent the only way to get glucose. Glucose can be obtained through protein and fat intake

7. Actually research is showing our bodies were meant to be in ketosis longer. Carbs are a luxury of civilization. Most carbs arent natural, in fact many grains contain ant-inutrients and are poisonous if consumed raw. Rice, oats, wheat, etc are all products of production. The only 2 essential ones are fat and protein. We NEED them to survive NOT carbs.

8. Completely true while in ketosis you will need a steady intake of fat in order for your body to burn the fat it is stored. If you never ate fat and only ate protein you body will likely turn to its muscles to obtain energy and glucose since it sees no incoming fat. As for the knocking out all your fat.. your body NEEDS fat. Fat is a precursor to testosterone along with many other hormones! Not to mention you will look sick because your skin and hair need fat intake and cutting all fat will likely make your complexion look sickly and your hair start to wilt and fall out.

9. What give you the impression that the blood sugar wont be stable? Protein has a very small insulin response and the fat intake slows that response even more. Where are you getting this idea that blood sugar will be unstable?

10. Are you speaking about the carb refeeds here? Would be too much to address here but I would suggest picking up a book such as anabolic diet and reading to learn why that is recommended.

11. Metabolism is slowing down? How? Your body requires more energy to break down proteins and fats so a steady intake actually raises your metabolism. Most carbs are broken down almost effortlessly by the body.

12. There is not a single study that shows negative effects from high protein consumption in a healthy individual.

And for the record I am not a proponent of a keto diet. I dont think it is necessary unless a person has a real low body fat percent. When a person has a relatively high bodyfat percent the body will willingly burn that fat. It is when you get super low BF% where the body becomes resistant to letting it go and a keto diet works wonders to force the body to burn it. I wouldnt recommend a keto approach to most people either but eating 400g carbs a day is definitely not the answer. I usually hoover around 100-150g carbs.

So do you NEED keto? No you are correct

Does keto work.. absolutely when done correctly

[Rodja]

oh and fyi buddy, fatty acids etc, they can work just like glycogen, your arguement- does not have enough solid facts, alot of bro science


fail

Yes and no. Fats can work like glucose, but not like glycogen. There is a small amount of fats stored within the muscle cell (IMTG), but there is a much larger capacity for glycogen within the muscle cell.

There are pros and cons to every diet and there is not a universal answer to anyone. Plus, your particular results are heavily skewed due to anabolics.

[monsterbox]

I beg the differ.

Although keto sucks as far as side effects, its EXTREMELY effective as restoring insane insulin sensitity. When utilized as a secret weapon/tool for a short burst during a certain time period, you will reset your cellular sensitivity, then when you return to your normal diet you will BLOW UP with strength/mass.

I think keto is amazing to implement randomly in the middle of huge bulks. Taking 10 days off and doing a no carb course is hell, but if we were all able to stick it out in the middle of a bulk, it would bring back sensitivty to the +xxxx amount of surplus carbs that you are eating, making your bulking that much more effective when you return.

Summary:
As a primary diet, keto blows:

however, keto is an amazing primer/reset button for the metabolism.



What you guys are missing is the fact that eating your set number of calories and carbs is going to cause A DROP IN RESPONSE...meaning less "pump" to your muscles and "less strength" glycogen storage will become stagnant...ESPECIALLY if you are bulking.

READ UP ON INSULIN SENSITIVITY ASAP!!!

[CoorsLight126]

It's ok guys, thanks for giving my thread a read anyways. Just in case you guys are ever curious, just give it a try sometime before you knock it. Dedicate 4 wks to doing this!! Make your fat intake almost non existent(no flax, no omega caps, no peanut butter or almonds) keep your carbs moderate around 250-350 grams/day depending on your size, and protein at 1-2 grams/lb of lean mass. Try it before you knock it, you may find that low carb isn't for you as I did. I've competed for the past 10 years now, and damn if i wished I had not figured this out sooner!!

[JudoJosh]

It's ok guys, thanks for giving my thread a read anyways. Just in case you guys are ever curious, just give it a try sometime before you knock it. Dedicate 4 wks to doing this!! Make your fat intake almost non existent(no flax, no omega caps, no peanut butter or almonds) keep your carbs moderate around 250-350 grams/day depending on your size, and protein at 1-2 grams/lb of lean mass. Try it before you knock it, you may find that low carb isn't for you as I did. I've competed for the past 10 years now, and damn if i wished I had not figured this out sooner!!

That is a recipe for a myraid of health problems... Good luck to you with that

[CoorsLight126]

That is a recipe for a myraid of health problems... Good luck to you with that

I said "the first 4 wks without fats" as you progress further along with the diet the whole goal is to add things back in as you get in better condition. I'm simply speaking of going the opposite route and taking your fats away instead of your carbs INITIALLY. My bloodwork looked pretty good last time I did this, I didnt see any health problems. But I appreciate your concern bro

[BigBen89]

I beg the differ.

Although keto sucks as far as side effects, its EXTREMELY effective as restoring insane insulin sensitity. When utilized as a secret weapon/tool for a short burst during a certain time period, you will reset your cellular sensitivity, then when you return to your normal diet you will BLOW UP with strength/mass.

I think keto is amazing to implement randomly in the middle of huge bulks. Taking 10 days off and doing a no carb course is hell, but if we were all able to stick it out in the middle of a bulk, it would bring back sensitivty to the +xxxx amount of surplus carbs that you are eating, making your bulking that much more effective when you return.

Summary:
As a primary diet, keto blows:

however, keto is an amazing primer/reset button for the metabolism.



What you guys are missing is the fact that eating your set number of calories and carbs is going to cause A DROP IN RESPONSE...meaning less "pump" to your muscles and "less strength" glycogen storage will become stagnant...ESPECIALLY if you are bulking.

READ UP ON INSULIN SENSITIVITY ASAP!!!

wow, ive never even thought of that. That is such a ****ing good idea, im def giving that a try.

[Rodja]

I said "the first 4 wks without fats" as you progress further along with the diet the whole goal is to add things back in as you get in better condition. I'm simply speaking of going the opposite route and taking your fats away instead of your carbs INITIALLY. My bloodwork looked pretty good last time I did this, I didnt see any health problems. But I appreciate your concern bro

4 weeks is a very long time to be willingly deficient in EFAs and to put yourself at risk for malabsorption of Vitamin A, D, E, and K. God knows how much hormonal damage that will do to you for months.

You're partially being a tad hypocritical on this as your main point should be to take a more moderate approach when it comes to dieting, yet you spew about the greatness of cutting out fats for an extended period of time. For most people, a lowered carb appoach will be much better for them as opposed to cutting out fats.

There is a lot of opinion and very little science in this post and you have yet to cite any evidence for this. If anything, your whole stance is nothing but broscience.

[EasyEJL]

I must say - you are on a tear tonight boss! Second myth-busting thread of the eve it appears.

I disagree about the carbs though ... I try to eat as primitively as I can and, since primitive man really didn't do a lot of farming - most of his sustenance came from animal meats and fats. Carbs are not "bad bad" - but they are a luxury of modern man that I think needs to be taken in moderation.

And primitive man grew to just over 5 feet tall and had a 35 year lifespan. Evolution doesn't lead to the optimization of the individual, but overall species survival.

[Rodja]

And primitive man grew to just over 5 feet tall and had a 35 year lifespan. Evolution doesn't lead to the optimization of the individual, but overall species survival.

There's a bit of a caveat with the average life span and that is a high rate of infant mortality. Take that away from the equation and the life span is roughly the same as our current rates.

[EasyEJL]

Does keto work.. absolutely when done correctly

Can you point to any scientific studies that compare keto vs non keto diets at same calories showing the keto diet having better body composition effect than the non keto ? I never found any.

[JudoJosh]

Can you point to any scientific studies that compare keto vs non keto diets at same calories showing the keto diet having better body composition effect than the non keto ? I never found any.

I don't believe that is what I put so why are you asking for those specific studies to be presented?

My statement was.. Does keto work? Absolutely

I even agreed with him to some extent stating that one does not need a keto diet to loose weight.

But anyway I may just have one for you though , I believe one is cited in a book I read. I will post up if I find it